vaping is most surely not a fad among smokers, but the jury is still out on whether or not it could become a fad for non-smokers.
And the only thing that can slow it down or end it is onerous, ill-conceived regulations.
Non Smokers beginning to pick up vaping?
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And the only thing that can slow it down or end it is onerous, ill-conceived regulations.
I apologize, I was not trying to make an alarmist claim. Any evidence I give will be anecdotal and unsubstantiated. I have personally begun to see non-smokers (close friends as well as relatives) become interested in and begin to use vapes. I was not trying to insinuate that vaping was a gateway to cigarette smoking. I was just interested in reading opinions on why non-smokers are using (more than before, in my personal view) e-cigs or pvs. I apologize if I've offended you or anyone. Sorry!
I don't think this was alarmist, it's not like he said the numbers were huge or anything and I have seen a couple of threads today from non smokers wanting to try vaping I hadn't seen any before (I know I miss many threads though) Although I don't think we should be alarmed or even worried about this we have to be aware that if people do start vaping who have never smoked it will be something else for "them" to use against us. I can't see vaping ever becoming a gateway to stinkies but that's what they will claim. As I said before I think most who start vaping will be smokers or those who would have smoked anyway but that won't help us against "them"
Agreed, I didn't see it as alarmist either. Just a personal observation.
I don't see non smokers taking up vaping as something to be used against us, however. That is why we have 0 nic juice.
I don't see it that way either, but I have read about people being convinced they are better off smoking than vaping even to the extent that people have stopped vaping and went back to smoking thinking that it's healthier. The amount of bad info that the general public is fed is terrible so anything will be used against us and if they can base the bad info on a little bit of truth they can show real figures against us.
It is a matter of why pick up your first beer, cigarette, jello shot, beer ...., why did you get your first tattoo? Someone introduced someone you knew to it who showed you and introduced you to it. This like all others before it has become a cultural phenomenon there are those that use it to quit the cultural phenomenon called Newport, Marlboro, Camel, Kool, etc. Now huge plumes of aromatically wonderful vapor is the taking the world by storm and if people that never smoked are leaning towards it and they are vaping as a hobby versus an alternate to tobacco products and they are getting non nicotine juices what's the harm? I know 4 guys that went to vaping to get away from chewing tobacco and you know what it worked now they vape solely for flavor. I know a couple people that took up vaping just for the tech side of things they enjoy trying to build the ultimate cloud machine builds and others that are doing it as a form of meditation aid hey they aren't using nicotine it is for the experience or the fun factor and it isn't causing them any harm. So if they vape safe and don't exceed battery and device capacities the only risk they really have is maybe they have an allergic reaction to a certain flavoring extract or a PG/VG intolerance but it isn't like they just shot ...... or smoked a hit of .... or dropped an extasy pill. If it creates a culture of friends and healthy fun I say the world can use more of it. It isn'tlike someone who vapes is ever going to start smoking if they never smoked a day in their life because the taste of it alone would be so repulsive and the nicotine buzz would be so overpowering that it would make them sick plus where are you going to find a cig that tastes like captain crunch-berries or strawberry kiwi jolly rancher the reverse appeal of vaping to cigs IMHO is slim to none it is hardly the same experience I smoked for 30 plus years and the only thing that vaping has in common is the act of inhaling, outside that they are 2 entirely different experiences flavor, texture, and health benefit wise I can't ever imagine someone saying they needed to quit vaping so they were going to take up smoking.
My intent was not to be argumentative in any way. I was simply point out that there are worse alternatives for the nonsmoker.
As I pointed out, every day there will be first time something. At this time stats show that more are trying e-cigs, and fewer are trying smoking. I think that is a good thing. (and, fewer are trying anything when you consider that a 3% swing from 15% is a magnitude of 10 when compared to 1.5%)
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Sorry if I seemed really brash I'm not here to offend anyone but I'm very passionate about vaping and anytime I think of how people try to reverse engineer the experience to that of someone who never smoked is going to now become a smoker because they vaped a non-nicotine juice is just plain ridiculous. If people are truly that curious go get an ego-t battery a mini protank2 and a non-nicotine juice that interests you go home take a vape and see if it makes you want to run down to the gas station and buy a pack or cigarettes bet it don't but it is like anything else if they can't make sense of it and fear it then it must be attached to something dangerous and evil and it should be boycotted, outlawed, and exorcised. I apologize if my previous post seemed like a rant.
I like to call this "selective math" where one omits parts of an equation to make it politically volatile.
How many would-be smokers started vaping instead? Have the total number of smokers + vapers increased? How many smokers have quit both smoking and vaping with the help of vaping?
(ETA: I'm thinking more about how this is spun in the media than arguing with OP)
How many would-be smokers started vaping instead? Have the total number of smokers + vapers increased? How many smokers have quit both smoking and vaping with the help of vaping?
(ETA: I'm thinking more about how this is spun in the media than arguing with OP)
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I know more then a few of the celebs in holly weird are higher then a kite with the particular substance in their PV.
Then the kids see this, and its all the rage.
Then the kids see this, and its all the rage.
You can make any claims you want by arbitrarily subsetting or grouping unrelated items like that.
For example I can claim that the carbon footprint of my ranch has remained constant because the total number of apples + cattle on the ranch has not changed. See why that's a problem?
There's absolutely no justification for lumping vapers and smokers together in any equation. Vapers who used to smoke are no longer smokers, thus have quit smoking.
Living in a college town, I've witnessed when vaping became a fad among my friends. I agree that vapes are somewhat considered a fashionable item, all my friends had decorated eGos and MVP2s, some even took the plunge into mechanicals like Stingrays and such. But the fad only lasted maybe 2 or 3 months - once everyone's bottles of juices started running out they easily stopped vaping and I haven't seen another vape in about a year now.
I don't mind non-smokers getting into vaping, I'd much rather they vape than smoke cigs or hookah all the time. I know people that still smoke bowls of hookah a day, and if its true how bad hookah can be for you, I'd much rather they vape. But I guess passing a vape around isn't as sociable as passing a hookah around...
Regardless, I'm one of those people who started from not smoking to vaping. Picked up vaping as a form of stress relief and I'm glad I heard about the vaping culture before I started throwing away money on packs of cigs.
I don't mind non-smokers getting into vaping, I'd much rather they vape than smoke cigs or hookah all the time. I know people that still smoke bowls of hookah a day, and if its true how bad hookah can be for you, I'd much rather they vape. But I guess passing a vape around isn't as sociable as passing a hookah around...
Regardless, I'm one of those people who started from not smoking to vaping. Picked up vaping as a form of stress relief and I'm glad I heard about the vaping culture before I started throwing away money on packs of cigs.
I'm curious:
do you currently vape with or without nicotine? Have you even tried nicotine juice?
Do you currently vape daily, or just on occasion?
Did you smoke hookah before vaping or use any other tobacco or nicotine-containing product?
Sorry for the deluge of questions, but, since vapers who never smoked are quite rare, I'm curious about this kind of experience.
I'm partially to blame. I'm hip. I'm high profile and people want to be like me. They think, "I can't have his confident swagger. I can't have his coat of a thousand colors or his dashing good looks but by all that is good, I can have his vape!" So they begin vaping in an attempt to be more mysty.
hello ecf, my name is wonkeypickle. i am your resident vaper-who-was-not-previously-someone-who-was-a-cigarette-smoker, and am here to answer your questions.
I met a guy who wasnt a smoker who picked up vaping. Why do people vape non nic juice... I dont know if I would stop vaping. If I ever got to 0nic i might lose interest. But... its fun....
Thanks tj! I've been looking for data that compared youth smoking and vaping and this is the first time I've seen it
kind of like people who don't smoke but like shisha and the hookah pipe. flavours, social aspect, clouds etc. id rather my son pick up an ego then a pack of ciggies any day if he were to start smokeing or vaping that is.
Not sure how to reply to that. The shoe doesn't really fit. You may have gotten me wrong.
... and I just lost a long train of thought to a dead battery...
(Edit: And I see now it turned into a jumbled mess... I'll cut my losses and call it a disagreement.)
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