noooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!

[jaybird]

Fe Miao Nan, executive director of Ruyan Group Ltd., which developed electronic cigarettes, demonstrates the product in his office in Beijing in February. (Andy Wong/Associated Press)Health Canada is warning people not to use so-called "electronic smoking" products, and has instructed businesses not to promote or sell them until the government has evaluated their safety.
"Persons importing, advertising or selling electronic cigarette products in Canada must stop doing so immediately," Health Canada said in a statement Friday.
This includes electronic cigarettes (dubbed "e-cigarettes"), cigars, cigarillos and pipes, and cartridges of nicotine solutions.
The department said sales, imports and ads for the devices, which vaporize tobacco without burning it, are governed by the Food and Drugs Act and require federal approval, which none has so far received.
"Today we are letting Canadians know that no electronic smoking products have been granted market authorization in Canada," Health Canada spokesman Alastair Sinclair told CBC News.
"Health Canada has developed an action plan which includes notification to all known importers and distributors requesting the immediate cessation of importation, advertisement and sale until the appropriate licensing requirements have been obtained," he added.
The agency suggests Canadians avoid the products, which have been sold in Canada and over the internet, as they "may pose health risks and have not been fully evaluated for safety, quality and efficacy by Health Canada."
Electronic cigarettes look like the real thing, using a battery-powered system that vaporizes and delivers a liquid chemical mixture that may include nicotine, propylene glycol and other chemicals, the department said.
"Although these electronic smoking products may be marketed as a safer alternative to conventional tobacco products and, in some cases, as an aid to quitting smoking, electronic smoking products may pose risks such as nicotine poisoning and addiction," Health Canada said.
In the U.S., Senator Frank R. Lautenberg sent the U.S. Food and Drug Administration a letter Monday asking the agency to ensure e-cigarettes are not sold until they've been studied further.


im not sure if anyone has made a post about this but this is not cool.

 

[dirt2suck]

hwere did you get your avitar?

You aren't a painter are you?

Dirt

 

[jaybird]

i found the pic on the web , and no im not a painter

 

[cherrypopwizkid]

There is one possibly valid point to all this that I myself have worried about. There just doesn't seem to be the controls on e-cigs that analogs have on preventing nicotine poisoning. Quite frankly compared to cancer and emphazima nicotine poisoning is usally left on the back burner. But typically a smoker goes outside or whatever and smokes a cigarette. When its done he stops and comes back when he is ready for another. The nicotine has time to disapate before it gets to dangerous levels. (he may have two or three, but what I'm saying is the fact that the cigarette eventually diminishes and burns out gives a reliable timer control.)

An e-cig could be smoked none stop without any indication that youv'e finished your cigarette. The cartridge might run out, but geez you could have smoked 6 to ten cigs worth at once by then. Most of you have even said you vape way more than you smoked. That could be a problem.

I know, I know ,we are supposed to oppose regulation no matter what, but that seems silly. One of the main reasons we start doing this is because its safer than cigarettes. Well if we smoke till we get nicotine poisoning that is not safe.

I wish there was some kind of indicator to tell us when we have smoked one analogs equivelent. I would support a regulation of that nature. I would also support the design of a safer cartridge that didn't run such a great risk of leaking.

The fear of course is that I don't get to decide that, the man does, who may very well just ban them out right.

 

[AcePilot]

I agee that nicotine poisoning is something to worry about, and thats why right after my husband bought me an e-cig, I started researching. The one he got me (gamucci micro) states that it has an auto shut off feature if too many "drags" are taken in too short of a time span. Apparently the end will blink a few times, and it must lay dormant for a bit of time before it will turn on again. I wonder how many types out there come with a similar function. Also, I read and did an expirament of my own, and found out that the average cigarette has about 15-17 drags in it, so if you stick to that many drags you should be fine. Then again I smoke Camel Lights, and I know that every cigarette brand is different.

 

[cherrypopwizkid]

I read that too about the auto shut off feature but I'm also hearing things that say its portrayed inacurately. Is it actually meant to protect you from poisoning, or is it designed to keep the atomizer from over heating?

Also while its true that a cigarette is roughly 15 drags...We are all addicts. Addicts are not infamous for their self-control. To win some sort of test apporval, the device would need to be equipped with the shut off or an indicator. A lot of us, me included, multitask when we smoke and likely are not counting drags. The ironic thing is the same mistakes could be made with a regular analog pipe or cigar, niethier of which are designed to be inhaled, but no control exist on them.

 

[Yirabeth]

I read that too about the auto shut off feature but I'm also hearing things that say its portrayed inacurately. Is it actually meant to protect you from poisoning, or is it designed to keep the atomizer from over heating?

Does it really matter what the initial intent was? It still works to ensure you can't continually pull from it without reaching the shutoff point

That said, I can see where that would be able to be bypassed by spacing your drags just a bit. It's up to the user to be rational and thoughtful, and control their intake. It comes down to adults acting like adults, and taking responsibility for your own actions... and these are available only to adults.

Just my opinion..I don't need the government to babysit me. Protect the kids, but as an adult, I'll protect me, thanks

~Yira

 

[jaybird]

i agree, i don't need a baby sitter . but something needs to happen quick, before people who don't have a big stash in their vapeing bunker, have to go back to analogs ...god forbid.

 

[smokum]

I don't see the relation to vaping and nicotine poisoning anyway.... If your ignoring the pre poison level headache and sickly feeling stomache, your obviously "trying" to kill yourself.

Now, drinking the juice from a bottle is obviously a different concern were your chances of nic poisoning is greatly increased and too late to avoid if you do.

So, on one hand I see the issue brought up by it when it comes to children accidently drinking it (or swallowing a cartridge), but on the other hand any adult has to take the same responsibility of care with household products such as drain-o, javex, paint, etc etc.

And as there is already a "set" amount of followers with the electronic cigarette, there is also the mindset that its too late for any authority to stop the method. Now anyone wanting to continue use, in light of a ban, can simply create their own device quite easily, along with researching and creating their own liquids including growing their own tobacco and/or extracting nicotine from loose tobacco.

Quite frankly, I find the action by authorities will have a negative effect on the anti followers by creating a situation that has been known for years, and that is..... make it illegal, and you'll create an underground following along with creating an interest in the younger than adult groups simply because its a taboo.

Thats my opinion, and obviously I'm really not that worried if things become illegal based on the ability to maintain my new habbit with some basic ingenuity. Sure, it will inconvenience me, but it sure as hell won't stop me !!

VapeOn,
Greg

 

[cclisamona]

i definatly am smoking more now. I did great the first couple of weeks....... now 2 months later... i am smoking a 1/2 pack a day plus my ecig. I think i am more addicted to the habit now then i ever was. (i was smoking 1 1/2 packs a day before my ecig.. so i try to rationalize and say.. ok.... im only a 1/2 a pack a day smoker now.... I always puff on my ecig... especially in the house now and other peoples houses... car... etc..... EVERYWHERE...

 

[Elendil]

The department said sales, imports and ads for the devices, which vaporize tobacco without burning it, are governed by the Food and Drugs Act and require federal approval, which none has so far received.

Does the startling inaccuracy of this statement bother anyone else?

 

[MrTorben]

nicotine has a halflife of two hours in the human body. an analog delivers 1.8 to 3.2 mg of nicotine each.
LD50(kills in half the tests) in humans is estimated to be 30 to 60 mg, based on a dosage of 0.5-1.0mg per kg. So in my case (80kg) it would take 40mg to 80mg to kill 50% of the time.
without getting into complicated math of halflife and actual intake of nicotine vapor. lets assume a 16mg cart actually delivers 16mg of nicotine(i doubt it), Ruyans were tested to deliver 0.9g of the 1g content, so you have a 10% loss right there. I can't find any data on how much your body actually absorbs via inhaling the mist but lets say all is perfect and it is 100%. I would have to vape 5 carts(assuming the tolerance of a 20yr smoker = 80mg) or 40 analogs in less then two hours. Avg analog takes about 5-7 mins to smoke(not hotboxed), you can't chain smoke more then 24 in two hours.
Until I see some data that shows the actual content and absorption of a 88% PG and 1.6% nicotine solution once it is vaporized and inhaled, I can't see how you can get to lethal dose in time. I would gather the side effects would make you so sick you could not continue vaping anyway.
Now, slapping on a few patches, smoking while chewing nicorette gum...that will do the trick.

 

[cherrypopwizkid]

Does the startling inaccuracy of this statement bother anyone else?

Yes I agree its completely inacurate, thats not at all what the law says.