Not a huge fan of TC

[BobC]

Just remember, the device is everything when it comes to temperature control, there's no room for error, so the device has to be built with the correct wiring, good soldering robust battery connectors and a very good 510.
As a DNA20 and 30 builder, my first builds on the DNA40 had me questioning the same thing about TC, but I hooked up with a very respectable group of modders here and worked through the issues (some of which were Evolv's with the first iteration of the DNA40, [firmware and hardware issues. Numerous boards had to be RMA'd back]) ,and now though I still use mech squonkers, my best and most consistent vape comes from a TC mod.

 

[Nikea Tiber]

For temp mode, i use my herakles with the .2 ohm ni200 coils at 380 degrees @28j. People are saying battery life is supposed to be shortned in temp mode, but for me thats not the case.

380° F isn't very hot at all. People quote the scorch point of cotton, but they are referring to dry cotton. Your coil should never see dry cotton unless you are doing something wrong or performing an experiment. Turn it up; don't be afraid to burn a wick - you probably won't, anyhow. The little puff of vapor your PV gives you is probably what you are getting off the preheat value on your sxm. Turn the heat up!
If you are not used to the capacity of an 18650... Well a single 18650 is pretty disappointing tbh, especially if you chain vape.

I was the first vaping personality to have my own line of eliquid, conceived in 2010 and on the market in 2011, and you don't see me going around talking down to people on ECF, or anywhere.

...and what exactly are you doing in this exact sentence?

 

[ZackM]

Just remember, the device is everything when it comes to temperature control, there's no room for error, so the device has to be built with the correct wiring, good soldering robust battery connectors and a very good 510.
As a DNA20 and 30 builder, my first builds on the DNA40 had me questioning the same thing about TC, but I hooked up with a very respectable group of modders here and worked through the issues (some of which were Evolv's with the first iteration of the DNA40, [firmware and hardware issues. Numerous boards had to be RMA'd back]) ,and now though I still use mech squonkers, my best and most consistent vape comes from a TC mod.

I have the sx mini mclass so if thats the case, then i would be pretty mad, but i doubt it. It works flawlessly it wattage mode. Its just temp mode that I'm struggling with. Its not doing everything people says it does. I get the clouds, the flavor is decent, its just the battery life sucks instead of being good, and it overheats easily even at lower temps. Could just be the tank itself?

 

[ZackM]

380° F isn't very hot at all. People quote the scorch point of cotton, but they are referring to dry cotton. Your coil should never see dry cotton unless you are doing something wrong or performing an experiment. Turn it up; don't be afraid to burn a wick - you probably won't, anyhow. The little puff of vapor your PV gives you is probably what you are getting off the preheat value on your sxm. Turn the heat up!
If you are not used to the capacity of an 18650... Well a single 18650 is pretty disappointing tbh, especially if you chain vape.



...and what exactly are you doing in this exact sentence?

I'm used to a 18650 battery capacity. I had an ipv2 before and i've used samsung 25r and lg he4 batteries only, so i know about how long i should get. As for the degrees, what temp would you recommend? I turned it down so much because 410 and upwards the tank started getting too hot after a few pulls. Thats why im confused why its happening. I was thinking i got a dud coil?

 

[BobC]

I have the sx mini mclass so if thats the case, then i would be pretty mad, but i doubt it. It works flawlessly it wattage mode. Its just temp mode that I'm struggling with. Its not doing everything people says it does. I get the clouds, the flavor is decent, its just the battery life sucks instead of being good, and it overheats easily even at lower temps. Could just be the tank itself?

Zack, Watt mode is very different then TC mode, connections are much more forgiving in VV/VW mode as there's no TCR monitoring, or control going on.

You will have voltage drop due to the poor connections, but no shutoff/limiting, hence the lesser battery performance

 

[ZackM]

Zack, Watt mode is very different then TC mode, connections are much more forgiving in VV/VW mode as there's no TCR monitoring, or control going on.

You will have voltage drop due to the poor connections, but no shutoff/limiting, hence the lesser battery performance

So basically with all the temp regulating the chip is trying to do, that results in the battery life being less? Thats what i thought at first until other tc users said they're battery life improved and is better in temp mode over wattage

 

[BobC]

So basically with all the temp regulating the chip is trying to do, that results in the battery life being less? Thats what i thought at first until other tc users said they're nattery life improved and is better.

No, voltage drop that could be caused by poor connections, i.e. all the power from your battery is not making it to the coil, poor connections cause erratic, additional resistance

 

[Nikea Tiber]

You might have a dud coil. My TC mod is an evic VT. I have not had any problems, even with the kanger occ ni coils that seem to give everyone else problems.
Due to the TCR values of ni it will be the most sensitive to an electrically unstable build, you might have better luck with ti.
Personally I don't like the vapor production of anything below 500°F, I use wide open airflow on my subtanks and rdas, I have a brisk lung inhale.
If your tank is getting hot you might have a hot leg that your tank is acting as a heat sink for.

 

[ZackM]

No, voltage drop that could be caused by poor connections, i.e. all the power from your battery is not making it to the coil, poor connections cause erratic, additional resistance

Im not sure thats it though because it does just fine in wattage mode and i get the same time as i did with my ipv2. Its just temp mode that im getting short battery life

 

[VapingBad]

If the temp limit cuts in too fast and you are getting a cooler vape or less vapour than you expected it could be several things.

Poor or inconsistent coil connections, poor or dirty 510 connection, a spring in the setup that is carrying current and even poor or dirty battery connection. If these are OK then it is likely the build, I know some people who struggled at first from not having enough airflow for the power they were running coming from older style atties. Wicking is more obvious and speaks for it's, but the coil not making contact with the wick (especially on gennies) and long legs also cause the limit to be hit early. If all that is OK you probably have not got enough surface area between the coil and wick, try adding some wraps to the coil.

 

[BobC]

Zack, I suggest to you to find a vape store near you, selling TC mods, and ask for a demo, then see if it works for you

 

[ZackM]

If thats the case, what should I do?

Zack, I suggest to you to find a vape store near you, selling TC mods, and ask for a demo, then see if it works for you

Will do. Ill go back to the shop I bought the sxm at and see if they could help me out with trying to get it to work. Might just be something as simple as the tank, or something bigger. Maybe temp control isnt for me. We shall see when i go to the store haha

 

[BobC]

Good idea Zack, I don't own any tanks but have about 25 RDAs all bottom fed, all have the same warmth when configured in TC mode with NI200 or Ti as they do in mech mode or VW mode with Kanth, but remember, it took me some time to get there

 

[ZackM]

Good idea Zack, I don't own any tanks but have about 25 RDAs all bottom fed, all have the same warmth when configured in TC mode with NI200 or Ti as they do in mech mode or VW mode with Kanth, but remember, it took me some time to get there

Yea trying to learn TC is like starting out all over again. I think im going to start moving to an RDA if the tank doesnt work out with the premade ni200 coils.

 

[BobC]

It's a whole new vaping paradigm and yes, it requires a new skill set. To see where it's going, there's an Evolve forum specifically for the DNA200, which takes TC to a whole new level, with monitoring and control via USB to your computer using eScript software

Software and Firmware - DNA 200 Early Adopters Forum

Edit: I don't have a clue what happened here

Edit: that's better

 

[xtwosm0kesx]

What firmware version are you running?

IIRC the first version of the firmware was power hungry and the newer iterations, which also included an "Eco mode" setting, improved the battery life of the SX's/J chips quite a bit.

Believe there has been at least 2 updates since launch, so if you havent updated it yet, you probably should.

 

[Freedom2Vape]

What firmware version are you running?

IIRC the first version of the firmware was power hungry and the newer iterations, which also included an "Eco mode" setting, improved the battery life of the SX's quite a bit.

Wasn't there an issue with the eco mode...? Something about when changing the battery while in eco mode causes the new battery to show "dead"? I believe that you had to change your setting out of eco mode, take the new battery out and put it back in the device.

 

[xtwosm0kesx]

Wasn't there an issue with the eco mode...? Something about when changing the battery while in eco mode causes the new battery to show "dead"? I believe that you had to change your setting out of eco mode, take the new battery out and put it back in the device.

Yeah, i believe you are correct about the initial issues with Eco mode, made some people think they had bricked the mod.

IIRC they corrected it with a new update a few days later and there has been at least 1 (i think more) update(s) since then. Again just trying to remember what i've previously read, don't personally own one.

 

[ZackM]

What firmware version are you running?

IIRC the first version of the firmware was power hungry and the newer iterations, which also included an "Eco mode" setting, improved the battery life of the SX's/J chips quite a bit.

Believe there has been at least 2 updates since launch, so if you havent updated it yet, you probably should.

I have the newest version, 2.23. I just upgraded it a couple days ago.

 

[Freedom2Vape]

Yeah, i believe you are correct about the initial issues with Eco mode, made some people think they had bricked the mod.

IIRC they corrected it with a new update a few days later and there has been at least 1 (i think more) update(s) since then. Again just trying to remember what i've previously read, don't personally own one.

Thank you - I hadn't checked to see if they updated again. I need to apply the new one then. I've been avoiding the eco mode for just that reason.