Not gonna call 'em "Analogs"

[Adrenalynn]

[Begin Rant]

I almost posted this in the "noobs" thread, but decided not to derail it. And yes, this really has nothing to do with V4L, it's not their "fault"

I refuse to call cigarettes "analogs". Whoever came up with that was trying to be cute, but...

The "e-cigarette" is an analog. It's technically a "functional analog" and probably a "structural analog" - and although internal medicine isn't my strong suit, I'd guess it's probably both a transitional-state analog and substrate analog at some point within the body. Enzyme reaction in organic and inorganic chemistry is not my area of expertise, but I imagine there's an enzyme reaction with the drug... I'll happily surrender that part of the argument though.

Anywho vaping e-cigarettes is an analog to smoking cigarettes.

Switching away from chemistry and physics and over to electronics: Cigarettes are essentially a digital device anyway. They're on (lit) or off (not lit) (or not lit well, which might be the trinary state, but really, now...) which is a state table mirrored by the e-cigarette. The atomizer is actuated or not actuated (leaving quantum states out for the time being, as they really apply to both). Both are powered by analog devices (battery vs flame & air). Both deliver a payload that is of a volume that is analog.

So in summary: Nope. Not gonna do it.

[End Rant]
Ok - so now let me put on my Digital Nomex here since I'm about to get blasted by a large flame thrower...

 

[dohsma]

[Begin Rant]

I almost posted this in the "noobs" thread, but decided not to derail it. And yes, this really has nothing to do with V4L, it's not their "fault"

I refuse to call cigarettes "analogs". Whoever came up with that was trying to be cute, but...

The "e-cigarette" is an analog. It's technically a "functional analog" and probably a "structural analog" - and although internal medicine isn't my strong suit, I'd guess it's probably both a transitional-state analog and substrate analog at some point within the body. Enzyme reaction in organic and inorganic chemistry is not my area of expertise, but I imagine there's an enzyme reaction with the drug... I'll happily surrender that part of the argument though.

Anywho vaping e-cigarettes is an analog to smoking cigarettes.

Switching away from chemistry and physics and over to electronics: Cigarettes are essentially a digital device anyway. They're on (lit) or off (not lit) (or not lit well, which might be the trinary state, but really, now...) which is a state table mirrored by the e-cigarette. The atomizer is actuated or not actuated (leaving quantum states out for the time being, as they really apply to both). Both are powered by analog devices (battery vs flame & air). Both deliver a payload that is of a volume that is analog.

So in summary: Nope. Not gonna do it.

[End Rant]
Ok - so now let me put on my Digital Nomex here since I'm about to get blasted by a large flame thrower...

LOL, now that was a funny post

 

[Adrenalynn]

We geeks are here to amuse.

 

[plantlvr]

Wow now I know why chemistry and i never clicked,lol. I guess the reason people started calling cigs 'analogs' was to differentiate the main differences from burning [ combustible ] cigarettes to the 'vaporization' that ecigs do.
Plus 'analog' is such a creepy word i think it sums up cigs pretty well.

 

[cos]

im sorry i really think this is very funny. Maybe im vaping too much lol

 

[macscac]

i dont call them analogs and i dont say im vaping.
its too odd.

 

[alexprobb]

I did need a break after stressful day. Thanks!!!

 

[JenJen]

A cig by any other name still stinks! I am sticking with my vaporking e-cig and that is that!

I don't usually call cigs analogs anyway... I usually call them cigs or smokes. My vaporking I call Precious...

 

[Thornak]

I guess Its just a word that caught on that's easier to say than "real cigarette".

I think we should call an analog a cn (coffin nail). That would be even easier..

 

[CatMommy]

Wow...do I feel stupid after reading that one!

 

[cos]

What is this anolog you speak of lol

 

[Mary Kay]

I think 'Analogs" as a name for cigarettes caught on because we are trying our best to distance ourselves from Cigarettes and we don't need reminders in every post. Besides, "Ralph" was taken. My pet peeve is "meetups" Why can't people just meet..who started "meet up"? It sounds dumb! Don't even get me started on "Dis"!

 

[Adrenalynn]

I'd never Dis you Mary Kay, in case we ever Meetup!

Why not call "e-cigarettes" "Analogs"? [takes off my geek hat, puts on my marketing hat] - oh. Because only the geek in me knows why that's significant.

Cat Mommy - not my intent - but hey - how often do you get to use "substrate analog" in a sentence? [Unless you're me. . . ]

Thornak - very "old skool". Might lose the younger crowd.

JenJen - that photoshop was just... disturbing. He'd look more at home holding a cigarette. 8-o

macscac - I'm trying to use "vaping" but it's not something that just rolls off the tongue, I agree. I'm trying, though, since I'm all "anti-analog-moniker"

Plantlvr - isn't vapor a biproduct of incompletely combusting nicotine and other chemicals in a cigarette? Condensed matter physics and thermodynamics are more home to me than chemistry and I would think, without any research to back me up, that the vapor we're vaping has crossed the liquid-vapor barrier critical point in the atomizer and then cools to super-critical in the tube and atmosphere, creating the vapor we inhale/exhale. The smoke from a cigarette, under a large amount of pressure, should be condensible into some nasty chemical-laden liquid too, I'd think.

You know - this probably belongs somewhere else in the forum. I'm really getting off into the weeds - sorry! I've taken it way into the theoretical where it doesn't need to be. I "anti-nomenclature-rant" already - which was my goal. You know, it confused me, then bugged me, when I first started reading and researching on the forum?

At least no one has flamed me - I'm almost ready to take off the digital nomex

Thanks for contributing to my wackiness all!

 

[Rockerella]

Methinks I like you, "geeky" scientist chick. You crack me up. My monkey, he says he likes you, too.

 

[Mary Kay]

You did nothing to get flamed over..wait, did I mean BBQ'd? Anyway..it's been fun! Love word play and smart people.

 

[Taryn]

Geeky is hot...

 

[Darmeen]

I do think the term analog came from the fact that the e-cig is a 'electronic' device, and not having anything to do with the chemistry involved. Much like a CD is a digital medium and the LP or vinyl is an analog medium.

The smoke from a cigarette would not reform into a liquid though, as the vapor from an e-cig would...because the smoke from an analog is actually ash, not a vaporized liquid.

As for 'vaping'...I do believe that term came from the fact that when you had a cigarette, you were smoking, as that is what you were inhaling, smoke...whereas when you inhale the e-cig, it is not smoke, as it contains no combusted material...

and no, I do not believe that the liquid changing to vapor is a sign of combustion. You wouldn't consider water turning to steam combustion in and of itself, as combustible means able to burn. Broadly speaking, a material is combustible if it can catch fire and burn. We aren't igniting the liquid to create a vapor (like a cigarette is igniting paper and tobacco), we are simply applying enough heat to the liquid to change its state to vapor.

Okay, now my head hurts! LOL I think I am going to vape my PV and ponder .... logs!

 

[AirNerd]

Nerdy is Naughty! LOL

Woops off topic.

Why is the sky blue? How does Teflon stick to the pan when nothing sticks to Teflon?

call it what you want its the meaning that counts lol.

Stay mello and Vape till you hit your pillow.

Dang this 36 mg Cola is got my GOING!

 

[Adrenalynn]

Aha! Here's a post we can sink our teeth into!

>> Much like a CD is a digital medium and the LP or vinyl is an analog medium.

Sure - I understand someone was trying to equate them, but the argument I make is that that is flawed. There is not a digital approximation of an analog source going on. If there was, we'd be able to define the sample rate and the resolution of the sample - neither of which applies here.

>> The smoke from a cigarette would not reform into a liquid though

Experiment disagrees. If you know someone in your life that still smokes ( ) you can try the experiment yourself. Blow smoke into a jar. Seal it. Come back at some later point - see that deposit of nasty brownish yellow on the jar walls? The "tar"? That's a liquid. A thick nasty icky liquid. I've been in divy places in Vegas where you could scrape that off the walls with a putty knife... Once the vapor crosses the super-critical and phase-changes, it comes out of suspension and deposits a liquid.

Another example is smelling gas when you stand by the tail pipe. That's uncombusted gasoline in vapor form.

Why? Because the combustion isn't complete. Given varying factors of temperature, pressure, etc, the combustion process isn't infinitely good.

>> do not believe that the liquid changing to vapor is a sign of combustion.

I think you misunderstood my point. It wasn't that liquid changing states crossing the vapor barrier is a sign of combustion, it was that vapor is a byproduct of incomplete combustion - hence the examples above and many more.

>> we are simply applying enough heat to the liquid to change its state to vapor

Agreed - which can be accomplished via pressure, temperature, or some combination.

Thanks for making me defend my position statement! I actually appreciate a lively discussion.

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I do think the term analog came from the fact that the e-cig is a 'electronic' device, and not having anything to do with the chemistry involved. Much like a CD is a digital medium and the LP or vinyl is an analog medium.

The smoke from a cigarette would not reform into a liquid though, as the vapor from an e-cig would...because the smoke from an analog is actually ash, not a vaporized liquid.

As for 'vaping'...I do believe that term came from the fact that when you had a cigarette, you were smoking, as that is what you were inhaling, smoke...whereas when you inhale the e-cig, it is not smoke, as it contains no combusted material...

and no, I do not believe that the liquid changing to vapor is a sign of combustion. You wouldn't consider water turning to steam combustion in and of itself, as combustible means able to burn. Broadly speaking, a material is combustible if it can catch fire and burn. We aren't igniting the liquid to create a vapor (like a cigarette is igniting paper and tobacco), we are simply applying enough heat to the liquid to change its state to vapor.

Okay, now my head hurts! LOL I think I am going to vape my PV and ponder .... logs!

 

[Adrenalynn]

Why is the sky blue? How does Teflon stick to the pan when nothing sticks to Teflon?

1. Refraction

2. They sandblast, then create a polymer of both long chains and short chains, then lay it down in layers. A sticky primer, a slightly sticky middle coat, and finally a tougher non-stick coat - which is molecularly attracted to the coat below it. Then they bake the heck out of it. Flouropolymer compounds... Before they knew how to make those advanced compounds, they'd sandblast, prime, then force the PTFE into the nooks and crannies under pressure and heat. Which is why your mom would yell at you (if you're my age) "TOUCH THAT PAN WITH ANYTHING METAL AND I'LL KILL YOU!"