I'm just gonna come out and say it...

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jdanderson1449

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With all the what to do about state and federal governments wanting to add legislation for electronic cigarette devices, we all need to decide where we stand. I, for one, am all for limiting sales to minors. That being said, I don't think we need any sort of law or regulation, state, local or otherwise to make a broad mandate telling us that we need to do that.

Most of us are relatively responsible adults that have made a very personal decision about where to take our previously deadly habits.

That being said, and with all the latest research available with regards to the the calculated risk of making the change from traditional, analog cigarettes to an alternative nicotine delivery, I wish that our regulating entities would come to terms with e-cigarettes. Just like with anything in life, there is a calculated risk involved. There is a calculated risk involved in getting in the car and driving to work every morning. That risk has been made significantly smaller by a certain amount of government regulation. There is a larger risk involved when I throw a leg over my motorcycle and ride anywhere. I know this, the general public knows this. As a result, I don't mind putting on a helmet to make myself a little safer.

I do agree, that while it is my right to smoke or rather in this case vape, we should be doing our part as a community to help keep PVs out of the hands of anyone who really shouldn't be using them, i.e. kids. In my mind, that is about as far as the regulation should go. To bring up a similar point, take a look at the deregulation of ......... in Colorado. In around 10 days the state of Colorado has made over a million dollars in sales tax just by decriminalizing it's use. Not to mention, they've made a few bucks from ticketing people for what amounts to a public intoxication violation.

Two studies inside of a week were released in regards to the "safety" of us using our preferred devices. Both studies showing that the absorption of anything potentially harmful in the vaporizing/ inhaling process are hardly calculable including second hand absorption rates.

In my mind, that and the nearly century's worth of data collected on the use and absorption of propylene glycol and nicotine along with the testimonies of a couple million vapers would be enough to defeat any regulation. We just need to get off the couch and make our voices heard.

Bottom line is that our politicians and regulatory institutions need to get out of the pockets of big tobacco and big pharmaceutical and start defending the people and our rights as consenting adults.

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Robino1

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With all the what to do about state and federal governments wanting to add legislation for electronic cigarette devices, we all need to decide where we stand. I, for one, am all for limiting sales to minors. That being said, I don't think we need any sort of law or regulation, state, local or otherwise to make a broad mandate telling us that we need to do that.

Most of us are relatively responsible adults that have made a very personal decision about where to take our previously deadly habits.

That being said, and with all the latest research available with regards to the the calculated risk of making the change from traditional, analog cigarettes to an alternative nicotine delivery, I wish that our regulating entities would come to terms with e-cigarettes. Just like with anything in life, there is a calculated risk involved. There is a calculated risk involved in getting in the car and driving to work every morning. That risk has been made significantly smaller by a certain amount of government regulation. There is a larger risk involved when I throw a leg over my motorcycle and ride anywhere. I know this, the general public knows this. As a result, I don't mind putting on a helmet to make myself a little safer.

I do agree, that while it is my right to smoke or rather in this case vape, we should be doing our part as a community to help keep PVs out of the hands of anyone who really shouldn't be using them, i.e. kids. In my mind, that is about as far as the regulation should go. To bring up a similar point, take a look at the deregulation of ......... in Colorado. In around 10 days the state of Colorado has made over a million dollars in sales tax just by decriminalizing it's use. Not to mention, they've made a few bucks from ticketing people for what amounts to a public intoxication violation.

Two studies inside of a week were released in regards to the "safety" of us using our preferred devices. Both studies showing that the absorption of anything potentially harmful in the vaporizing/ inhaling process are hardly calculable including second hand absorption rates.

In my mind, that and the nearly century's worth of data collected on the use and absorption of propylene glycol and nicotine along with the testimonies of a couple million vapers would be enough to defeat any regulation. We just need to get off the couch and make our voices heard.

Bottom line is that our politicians and regulatory institutions need to get out of the pockets of big tobacco and big pharmaceutical and start defending the people and our rights as consenting adults.

End rant.

I agree with you on the above 100%. If you haven't yet, I urge you to join CASAA. They/we are our best chance of getting off the couch and actually making a difference. You can click on my banner in my signature and sign up. It costs nothing and keeps you aware of what is going on. You will get calls to action if anything happens in your locality.
 

jdanderson1449

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Thanks guys. I am already a somewhat active member of CASAA and I do my best to keep up on what's going on, at least locally. This is so much bigger than local though. With the federal government trying to pass legislation to give e-cigarettes to the FDA, who will then perform their own biased research on and then pass us off to big tobacco. It doesn't help with actual tobacco companies trying to get in on the action too.

At any rate, I at least try to keep the people that I do know who don't have any opinions one way or another educated on the subject especially in regards to safety of the matter.

Nicotine is a drug similar to caffeine. The FDA isn't reaching down my throat to get that Coca-Cola back that I drank earlier or my last two cups of coffee.

My feelings: keep your chocolate out of my peanut butter and I'll keep my peanut butter out of your chocolate...
 
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supermarket

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The OP said, " I wish that our regulating entities would come to terms with e-cigarettes."

That IS wishful thinking, my friend. In all my years, I have learned there are VERY few things one can depend on. Government intrusion is one of those things. To think they will EVER back off, and allow the citizens in their OWN nation to exist as we wish....is quite the dream. One that deep down I suppose we ALL wish for, and yet I am skeptical this will ever truly occur, for any long term amount of time.

E-cigs aren't the problem.....the over extended federal government is......and any other part of the government that seeks only to cater to corporate interests, and couldn't give a rat's....ahem.....about the people.
 

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Thanks guys. I am already a somewhat active member of CASAA and I do my best to keep up on what's going on, at least locally. This is so much bigger than local though. With the federal government trying to pass legislation to give e-cigarettes to the FDA, who will then perform their own biased research on and then pass us off to big tobacco. It doesn't help with actual tobacco companies trying to get in on the action too.

At any rate, I at least try to keep the people that I do know who don't have any opinions one way or another educated on the subject especially in regards to safety of the matter.

Nicotine is a drug similar to caffeine. The FDA isn't reaching down my throat to get that Coca-Cola back that I drank earlier or my last two cups of coffee.

My feelings: keep your chocolate out of my peanut butter and I'll keep my peanut butter out of your chocolate...




I don't believe for ONE SECOND that the FDA, interest groups, nor the federal government want to eliminate e-cigarettes long term. I don't buy it. I think they ultimately want to regulate the market, and only allow the highest bidders (in a sense, lets be honest) to corner the ecig market. Right now, e-cigs are OUT OF the hands of big tobacco, and I can guarantee you that BT is behind wanting to regulate the ecig market. THEY are the ones who stand to benefit from it...THEY are ones who can afford to pay any fines, any fees, get any permits or whatever they need....they have all the cash, and they want to close the free market down so THEY have total control of it.

I DO suppose there might be SOME interest groups out there that are just against e-cigs......but I think that is a small minority. The majority of forces working against ecigs I think have an ulterior motive, which is to do just what I said above. I could be wrong, but from watching the situation unfold, this is just my best guess.
 

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I don't believe for ONE SECOND that the FDA, interest groups, nor the federal government want to eliminate e-cigarettes long term. I don't buy it. I think they ultimately want to regulate the market, and only allow the highest bidders (in a sense, lets be honest) to corner the ecig market. Right now, e-cigs are OUT OF the hands of big tobacco, and I can guarantee you that BT is behind wanting to regulate the ecig market. THEY are the ones who stand to benefit from it...THEY are ones who can afford to pay any fines, any fees, get any permits or whatever they need....they have all the cash, and they want to close the free market down so THEY have total control of it.

I DO suppose there might be SOME interest groups out there that are just against e-cigs......but I think that is a small minority. The majority of forces working against ecigs I think have an ulterior motive, which is to do just what I said above. I could be wrong, but from watching the situation unfold, this is just my best guess.
My take after many years of being educated here on this forum...

--Big Pharma wants electronic cigarettes gone forever through regulation
--The ANTZ want electronic cigarettes gone forever, any way they can, no matter what it takes
--Big Tobacco wants to take the whole thing over through regulation

As for government, they just want their taxes, because they need those taxes really bad.
I'm not sure if they know yet which is the best scenario to maximize those taxes.

But this is what I REALLY think the end game is...
Big Pharma wants to own nicotine.
 

Jman8

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Because the use/desire by kids will never (ever) go away, I don't see how it is possible to think the regulatory desire will ever go away.

I can get (somewhat reluctantly) on board with limiting sales to minors, but not with enforcing penalties for possession.

I see drawing that arbitrary line in the sand, and pretending it is firm distinction between the responsible / consenting users and those who are imagined to be less responsible, less consenting... as the inroad to forever regulating it for adults.

But my ongoing rants on this aren't doing much and as long as that is the case, then I see our best hope as "reasonable regulations" which thus far in 2014, is showing up as very unreasonable laws / restrictions being passed at local and state level.

At same time, in my own neck of the woods, and in my 2 years of vaping wherever I choose to vape, not much, has changed. I can get more flavors and more devices delivered to my door, and vape in all the places I care to vape in or at. Though, I imagine that might be changing soon. And I will do what I can to be proactive in influencing that change to be to the benefit of vapers, like myself.
 

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......Nicotine is a drug similar to caffeine. The FDA isn't reaching down my throat to get that Coca-Cola back that I drank earlier or my last two cups of coffee.

My feelings: keep your chocolate out of my peanut butter and I'll keep my peanut butter out of your chocolate...

Not the FDA, yet.....but NYC did go after soda...:facepalm:.court threw it out. Regulations have been proposed or passed all over the country for caffeine (ban Red Bull, etc), salt, sugar, trans fats, light bulbs, etc...

Vaping and PV's are just the latest target, welcome to the dark side, we have peanut butter cups....:laugh:
 

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Now, go tell your local and State representatives. Preaching to the Choir here.:)

Spread the word(out there)
Get the message out(out there)
Sign the Petitions!

I'm limited with location and employment concerns. I do try to be a Voice locally and enlighten those I can reach. Some just don't get it. I'll Sign my name and give my voice wherever I can to stop the ignorance on this matter.:vapor:

Case in Point people rallied and Chicago Mayor got OWNED!
Even an Alderman Vaped and spoke against Bans! Actually A few Alderman spoke out for once.
 
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