Novice, please help with my coils!

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KohKoh

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Personally I wouldn’t mess with the mod at all. It is displaying conflicting information so who knows what it is doing. Why take the risk? Not worth it.
to be honest I just don't have ANY pods for my pod device.
I purchased one online without realizing that it does not come with a single pod, and the tank that came in my aegis mini starter kit, I do not have any more coils for. I haven't gone shopping for them but I don't have any money left over for the month (as I said I am somewhat poor, and currently between jobs)
 

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I'm not going to pretend like I'm an expert on this topic or that any of my other electronics would be anything like the mod, however my phone does in fact do very odd things if I say, use it while in the bathtub and my fingers are slightly damp, or try to text in the rain.
I don't think I can manually change the voltage though so I don't think it would have anything to do with the touch screen being wet unless maybe its causing a minor short somewhere and thats whats causing the mod to act weird.
However like I said I really don't know much and I'm not pretending to know if thats even possible.

Water can have an effect on Capacitive touchscreens. The voltage delivery within the smartphone will still be accurate, otherwise it would not work!

You cannot change the voltage when dealing with a wattage device. It is automatically adjusted as per the resistance of your coil and your power setting. You cannot achieve 90 watts with a 0.56 ohm coil with 5.8 volts. It is impossible! The device is not performing correctly. Why it is doing this, I do not know. The batteries within these devices carry an exceptional amount of energy. If pushed beyond their limits, bad things can happen....very bad things! I am not going to say your Smok will blow up, but given we are dealing with an unknown, ask yourself if it is worth the risk.
 

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Water can have an effect on Capacitive touchscreens. The voltage delivery within the smartphone will still be accurate, otherwise it would not work!

You cannot change the voltage when dealing with a wattage device. It is automatically adjusted as per the resistance of your coil and your power setting. You cannot achieve 90 watts with a 0.56 ohm coil with 5.8 volts. It is impossible! The device is not performing correctly. Why it is doing this, I do not know. The batteries within these devices carry an exceptional amount of energy. If pushed beyond their limits, bad things can happen....very bad things! I am not going to say your Smok will blow up, but given we are dealing with an unknown, ask yourself if it is worth the risk.
Please trust me when I say that I heed your warning, however purely because I do not want to go back to smoking, and don't have money for cigarettes but still have a means to vape, this will just have to do in the mean time.
I don't enjoy the fact that its risky but personally it seems like I have no other option until the time when I can purchase a new mod
 

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Please trust me when I say that I heed your warning, however purely because I do not want to go back to smoking, and don't have money for cigarettes but still have a means to vape, this will just have to do in the mean time.
I don't enjoy the fact that its risky but personally it seems like I have no other option until the time when I can purchase a new mod

You have the Aegis Mini. You have a Geekvape Zeus RTA, you have a bunch of wire and will assume you have wick as well. Therefore you have a functioning vape that should be more than adequate to keep you off the cigarettes.

You have 24awg SS316L? 5 wraps around a 3mm ID, dual coil in your Zeus RTA would run nice around 40 to 50 watts.
 
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You have the Aegis Mini. You have a Geekvape Zeus RTA, you have a bunch of wire and will assume you have wick as well. Therefore you have a functioning vape that should be more than adequate to keep you off the cigarettes.

You have 24awg SS316L? 5 wraps around a 3mm ID, dual coil in your Zeus RTA would run nice around 40 to 50 watts.
Well .... I'll give it a shot
 
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You have 24awg SS316L? 5 wraps around a 3mm ID, dual coil in your Zeus RTA would run nice around 40 to 50 watts.

Sorry I should have added, On your Aegis Mini!!

Put the Smok out to pasture. Shed a tear, get drunk, reminisce about any fond memories you may have had with it. But just let it go.
 

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The Wotofo braided wire can be used to make a .24 ohms single coil at 5 wraps, 3mm inner diameter. Since the vapor production you've been getting is not enough for you, you could also decide to make it 6 wraps and/or increase the inner diameter to 3.5mm, assuming the build deck of your RTA has enough space for making it fit. Doing this will bring the resistance up higher, but not terribly so. For example, at 6 wraps and using 3mm inner diameter, a single coil made from this wire should still end up below .3 ohms. Don't forget to work out the hotspots before the first use. (I'm assuming you already know how to do this, but don't be afraid to ask if you don't.)

Also, if neither your Smok mod nor the batteries that you use in it appear to be getting more than just a little bit warm, I wouldn't worry too much about the inconsistencies/inaccuracies as for the numbers being displayed by the mod so just experiment with the wattage upping it one small step at a time till you find that sweet spot, take it a step back if necessary. If it works, it works, for as long as it works. :thumbs:
 

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Wick issues? Not enough juice getting to coil?
Also, 2mm ID coils seems small... have you tried 3mm?
My personal preference is 2.5mm for any thing I build. My latest build, for example, I took 24ga kanthal ( kanthal being personal preference again) and twisted 2 strands pretty tight with a drill and swivel set up. Took that and made two 6 wrap coils on 2.5mm mandrel. On my dead rabbit with the 2 coil setup, I'm at .19 ohms and vape famously at 65 to 70 watts. Regulated mod by the way. I get almost a whole day out of 2 fully charged Samsung 25r's with this kind of power consumption. Building coils can be as simple or as difficult as you make it to be. Me, I like simple. And twisting wire is about as fancy as I get. On top of that, im finding that though the nooks and crannies of fancy twisted or claptoned wire give more surface area to vaporize with, it also gunks up more than plain, round wire coils. So, in the end, a good tight 6 or 7 wrap 2.5mm inside diameter 22ga plain round kanthal is the way to go really. Tweak this, of course, to ensure safe mech mod use if that is what you vape.
 

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My personal preference is 2.5mm for any thing I build. My latest build, for example, I took 24ga kanthal ( kanthal being personal preference again) and twisted 2 strands pretty tight with a drill and swivel set up. Took that and made two 6 wrap coils on 2.5mm mandrel. On my dead rabbit with the 2 coil setup, I'm at .19 ohms and vape famously at 65 to 70 watts. Regulated mod by the way. I get almost a whole day out of 2 fully charged Samsung 25r's with this kind of power consumption. Building coils can be as simple or as difficult as you make it to be. Me, I like simple. And twisting wire is about as fancy as I get. On top of that, im finding that though the nooks and crannies of fancy twisted or claptoned wire give more surface area to vaporize with, it also gunks up more than plain, round wire coils. So, in the end, a good tight 6 or 7 wrap 2.5mm inside diameter 22ga plain round kanthal is the way to go really. Tweak this, of course, to ensure safe mech mod use if that is what you vape.
2.5mm ID is what I call "regular" size. Although nothing is wrong with going for this particular size (on a single battery tube mech, I use this size the most), I like variation. So I use bigger coils frequently all the time. For me, it isn't necessarily always about my personal preference, although it is closely related to it. For example, sometimes I find that 2.5mm is just too small to not keep burning the wicks in half. Other times, it's got more to do with the design of the build deck that I'm using, how much space it's got, or what the limitations of the airflow setup/adjustment are. But my personal preferences vary, depending on mood and also depending on the juice I want to vape. So my brain comes at it from different directions. It's a hobby... meticulousness, knowledge gained from tried experience is a crucial part of the main driving factor.

As for the wire type, these days I only use premium quality spools of Nichrome 80 wire, 26g being the thickest round wire I'll ever use. I like how fast Nichrome 80 ramps up (and cools down again) compared to Kanthal A1, especially on a mech. Aggressive is the right word to describe it. But the effect only comes to life when dealing with exactly that which you describe as being too "fancy", and does so only at almost double the wattage that you are referring to here, sometimes even more than triple. This is how I like to vape, and, that is despite I do not like a truly hot vape. People who think of it as crispy/hot are people who do not understand the simple basics of how airflow really works. Staggered fused claptons, aliens, framed aliens, stapled helix coil builds... it's just a completely different realm in the vaping universe. Between 65 and 70 watts, there can be no "oomph". Anemic is the right word to describe it. It means the texture of the vape is "not there". It can certainly be warm, but it's basically all smoothness, faded texture with a slow inhale, like sucking in just air with a bit of flavor added. Not my bucket of tea in any way at all.

Me, I like simple.
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The Wotofo braided wire can be used to make a .24 ohms single coil at 5 wraps, 3mm inner diameter. Since the vapor production you've been getting is not enough for you, you could also decide to make it 6 wraps and/or increase the inner diameter to 3.5mm, assuming the build deck of your RTA has enough space for making it fit. Doing this will bring the resistance up higher, but not terribly so. For example, at 6 wraps and using 3mm inner diameter, a single coil made from this wire should still end up below .3 ohms. Don't forget to work out the hotspots before the first use. (I'm assuming you already know how to do this, but don't be afraid to ask if you don't.)

Also, if neither your Smok mod nor the batteries that you use in it appear to be getting more than just a little bit warm, I wouldn't worry too much about the inconsistencies/inaccuracies as for the numbers being displayed by the mod so just experiment with the wattage upping it one small step at a time till you find that sweet spot, take it a step back if necessary. If it works, it works, for as long as it works. :thumbs:
Thank you! this is the information I find the most interesting. I have been trying the 5 wraps of 24 gauge stainless, and I'm using two of them (what word do you use for that? dual coil mode? dual coil setup?) it seems to be performing properly although I feel like I could get a more desireable result with something that has more surface area, or maybe if I play with the amount of combing I do to my wick
I honestly wouldn't mind if I had to rebuild every day cause at least that way I can get a better idea of what the wires I already have will ohm out to once wrapped, and I mean I'm mostly into the RTA style of atomizer specifically to have fun with it.
 

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I have been trying the 5 wraps of 24 gauge stainless, and I'm using two of them (what word do you use for that? dual coil mode? dual coil setup?)
Dual coil... is just dual coil (resistance half of single coil) If you mean wrapping two wires at the same time, it's "parallel wrapping" (I think... not sure of the terminology) You can also "twist" two wires (simple round wires)... a good way to get more surface area but will lower resistance very much. Hopefully, someone that knows more about this will jump in. 5 wraps of 24 ga is a good choice (even dual coils) as long as your mod can push enough watts for that. You also have the option of using TC for SS but I haven;t tried that yet (once again... others can jump in on that) I'm sure I asked before, but what are you using (RDA, RTA)?
 

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Dual coil... is just dual coil (resistance half of single coil) If you mean wrapping two wires at the same time, it's "parallel wrapping" (I think... not sure of the terminology) You can also "twist" two wires (simple round wires)... a good way to get more surface area but will lower resistance very much. Hopefully, someone that knows more about this will jump in. 5 wraps of 24 ga is a good choice (even dual coils) as long as your mod can push enough watts for that. You also have the option of using TC for SS but I haven;t tried that yet (once again... others can jump in on that) I'm sure I asked before, but what are you using (RDA, RTA)?
I'm using a geekvape zeus RTA on an aegis mini
 
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