Now, a message from fools in the Jefferson County (KY) school system
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Okay, so here's a question that occurred to me. If you were going to tell an educator where to look to research real info on vaping (or anyone for that matter), what source(s) would you point them to? Other than joining and participating in ECF, what is a good source of vaping info that they might take seriously?
This isn't a rhetorical question. I know you can point to Royal College of Physician's statement and dozens of studies, etc. but I'm talking about a reliable clearinghouse of info that hopefully isn't an advocacy group, so the info would not be taken with a grain of salt.
This isn't a rhetorical question. I know you can point to Royal College of Physician's statement and dozens of studies, etc. but I'm talking about a reliable clearinghouse of info that hopefully isn't an advocacy group, so the info would not be taken with a grain of salt.
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its easy... its like drinking water leads to drinking beer cuz no water is around and next thing... your droppin shots of Everclear yelling "Hey Bubba.. Watch this!!" as you run your 4 wheeler into a tree...
therefore drinking water leads to brain damage...
If you consider that only 200 +/- years ago, everyone, young and old, use to drink nothing but beer.... Water wasn't safe to drink as it was, in order to purify it, they made beer. Very week beer, but no one drank the water....
Ahh, for the good old days!
I know it happened in certain areas at certain times, but...
I thought I saw that one big agency approved it. Can't find it now. Possibly juul got everyone to shoot vaping down by now.
The world is seriously crazy. Why on earth would it have taken until the 60's to find out that cigarette smoking is bad for you. Cancer causing or not, it's putting Smoke into your lungs which were only made for air. Politics and money I suppose. Maybe if juul put some of those billions into lobbying at the WH like BT had to??
They did. BT is one of the most powerful lobbying and marketing entities in the world though. Their willingness to lie, threaten, and even kill by proxy is world renound.
True, bombastinator. I started smoking in the '50s and we called cigarettes 'coffin nails' and 'cancer sticks'. That showed how tough we were.
If you started smoking in the '50s you have to be at least 70 years old now, and apparently you're not dead yet, so I guess you are pretty tough! You should go for a walk!
Tobacco companies are worse than scientology.
These PSAs are going to be pretty worthless. I did not pay attention when MADD or some such group came and gave a "play" about drinking. I mean... It was laughable.
I have a feeling this may stop a teen or two who is very subject to being told that vaping is an "output" and that they need to donate 750 dollars to fix it but the majority will not be phased.
It's just propaganda. If anything, some kids will be more interested in vaping.
It's a shame it's all lies but that is about what we can expect these days.
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These PSAs are going to be pretty worthless. I did not pay attention when MADD or some such group came and gave a "play" about drinking. I mean... It was laughable.
I have a feeling this may stop a teen or two who is very subject to being told that vaping is an "output" and that they need to donate 750 dollars to fix it but the majority will not be phased.
It's just propaganda. If anything, some kids will be more interested in vaping.
It's a shame it's all lies but that is about what we can expect these days.
Anna
My dad talked about how he and his father quit smoking in the 1950s when data on the dangers of smoking first emerged, though apparently the very first time it came out was the 1930s. Squashed, squashed, and squashed again.
They had a heckuva time doing it.
Most of us here know vaping is much much healthier then smokes, but I'm sure it's not totally harmless. I always see mentions of nic, but what about the other end of the spectrum? I either see folks saying vaping is totally harmless or nic in vaping is bad, but what about how much one vapes?
Agreed, no one knows the effects of vaping, we will Know but we don't now. I think of vaping as risk reduction rather than harm reduction. I think that smoking has the greater risk of harming me but there is inadequate information to tell me vaping is harmless, harmful or innocuous or in between. I feel better now than when I smoked but I didn't feel bad after five years of cigarettes.
I think you are dead on about the amount one vapes, to offset that, I vape a rather strong (18 mg) nicotine, I take less puffs. If I need the hand to mouth ritual (which is a big part of my habit) I just make the movement but don't punch the button. All of this happens primarily when reading or watching television.
First: the statistics that are being cited are about 'users of Electronic Cigarettes' as a category of people not a specific age group. They didn't say "youth" users of Electronic Cigarettes are more likely to smoke, they said users of Electronic Cigarettes, therefore the statistics they are citing includes us as well.
Where concerns youth experimenting with either vaping or smoking that number is stagnant since i was a kid, so your correct there will always be a percentage of kids who will experiment.
There are far higher percentages (almost double in some cases) of underage youth who experiment with alcohol or illegal weeds, than those who either smoke or vape - and NO ONE is classifying that as an epidemic. Just pointing that out.
As for the teen vaping "epidemic", the problem is all these kids aren't walking into their local convenience store to buy it.
While the FDA tries not to point it out, there is a 88% compliance with the various tobacco control laws.. in 2015-16 it was 89% compliance among those spot checked by the FDA.. so compliance is staying fairly stagnant as well.
If the FDA or anyone else thought this was somehow radically contributing to under age vaping or smoking, they would also have to consider the same convenience stores shouldn't be selling alcohol or cigarettes either - if they couldn't be trusted to check ID..
But they can be trusted, so we have to look at the fact the majority of youth who do happen to be vaping aren't getting their vape mods at their local convenience store or vape shop...
This is why the 21 laws are being adopted in states, because most kids are getting their alcohol, cigarettes or vape mods from an older sibling, or parent.. so raising the age to purchase electronic cigarettes will actually help cut down on acquiring these devices through the older sibling, because it helped cut teen drinking when they applied the 21 laws to alcohol..
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The frequency one vapes is a factor for sure! Less is obviously better than more!
I'm fairly certain no one thinks vaping is 100% safe, just less harmful than smoking.
My point is 50mg of nic in a juul pod is too high, even a hard core life long smoker doesn't need that much nic to quit!
So what's their motive/agenda, for such a high nic content? When I stared vaping 5 years ago 18 to 24 mg was the highest end of the spectrum in nic content. Now the Juul has double that & the kids are using it, in unacceptable numbers! IMO it's a nic delivery system not a quite smoking tool!
Drinking water keeps you alive. All living things die. Drinking water leads to death.its easy... its like drinking water leads to drinking beer cuz no water is around and next thing... your droppin shots of Everclear yelling "Hey Bubba.. Watch this!!" as you run your 4 wheeler into a tree...
therefore drinking water leads to brain damage...
I also feel much much better, its really amazing....I have always got a sense about vaping, and it's kind of weird how its talked about or perceived , like the worst thing is the nic. As soon as new vapors start, they immediately begin to drop, because its like a bad word. I can kind of understand this, but because nic has this bad reputation no one thinks or really talks about the consequences of dropping said nic, and that's vaping tons of juice and chaining. It's more accepted to vape 24/7 then to vape a higher nic and that's strange to me...if my son had come to me and said he started smoking, my first question might be, "how much", not , "what nic content is the cig". With any crutch, like smoking, drinking, eating, drugs, etc, moderation and amounts are the main issue, but not with vaping. Vaping seems to only be about the nic and nothing else and because people put such a bad rap on nic, it kind of says, vape as much as possible, no problem.....I'm all for vaping, period, but I think both sides should be equally as discussed.
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I fully agree. The statistics are being misused and misunderstood in all sorts of ways. The stats combine adults and youths, despite the different patterns in each group. With adults, as you said, there's a lot of overlap because a large proportion of vapers are smokers trying to quit (and most of the rest of them are ex-smokers who succeeded in quitting). With younger people, it's experimenters. Either way, overlap is what we should be seeing with vaping partially taking over from smoking. It's hardly a sign of impending doom.
I have heard that with the advent of the Juul youth smoking + vaping is beginning to creep up past the historical smoking numbers, but I haven't been able to find reliable enough and recent enough statistics to either confirm or deny that.
Access is always going to be a key part of the puzzle. It's actually one of the justifications for legalizing certain other substances here. If sales can be transferred from the black market to legal suppliers, it'll be a lot easier to restrict underage access (though I don't suppose we'll ever eliminate it).
Sorry, but I have to disagree with this. You can't really say what nic is "too high" for anyone else, just as you can't dictate that it's wrong to DTL because you consume more juice. Maybe you've never hit a Juul, but it delivers a tiny bit of vapor even compared to other pods. So you really have to work at it to consume a lot of nic.
Like any business, their motive/agenda is to make money. That's all. To do that, they tried to replicate the smoking experience, and have done that more than fairly well - you've seen the $ numbers. They've done that better than anyone else. In fact, without them, none of us likely would have heard of nic salts yet. So the 50mg with their benzoate nic hits the bloodstream about like a cigarette. And if you take a similar number of hits on a Juul as you do a cigarette, you'll get a similar amount of nic in your system. And like @vapdivrr pointed out, less total vapor might be an improvement over a much higher amount of juice consumed. I shudder when I hear people here talk about vaping 10/20/30ml a day, regardless of the nic content. I feel like my lungs would be swimming. But it's not for me to say it's too much.
Juul certainly is not for me, although I got one to try it, and will throw it in my pocket if I'm store or restaurant for a while or something. But even with that nic, it doesn't satisfy me like an rta does...not even close. But- and a big but- I have a half dozen family members (my son included), and even more friends who haven't smoked in months. Because they use Juul - in spite of all my efforts to set them up with easy mods/tanks. So regardless of all the demonization I've seen on this forum, I thank them.
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No need to apologize
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.I'm not trying to tell any one how they should vape! There is no rite or wrong way to vape, what ever works for you is good enough
I'm just against the 50 mg that is too readily available to kids, who have never smoked before! I have a 17 year old in High School & way more kids are vaping than I would have ever imagined, most of them using the Juul
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