Nuppin'

[Spydro]

Your Reos are looking really good Pauly.

Probably just the lighting on a hammertone, but the blue tint brings back up that blue is my color. Matches my eyes... was my nickname while growing up on the ranch, I worn lots of blue clothes... drove lots of blue cars/trucks/cycles, etc. Have even thought about asking Rob to make me a custom candy blue vein LP Grand.

 

[Spydro]

Patiently waiting for the second run... well sort of patiently.

Crappy picture, but it will be mostly Nuppinz and Antz today.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

Alright guys, I have a question about this little Nuppin thing you're all so crazy about

I got one on Thursday thanks to Danny, and I've been tinkering with builds since Friday night. Let me preface this by saying I just ordered extra screws and a better driver, so I am determined to not only like the Nuppin, but love it and keep it in my regular rotation (which right now consists of...Odins...and next up possibly Derringers)

Do I like it right now? Yes but I'm having a lot of spit back. When I first got it I loaded it up with my favorite Odin build--dual twisted 29ga netting .45 ohms. It tasted good but was spitting juice in my mouth and down my throat like a crazy little Nuppin. All my twisted builds spit, but this moreso, because it seems -- and from reading here I think a lot of people find this to be the case -- that the Nuppin hits like a freight train. That said - when this same build spits in my Odins, rarely does it go into my mouth, rarely. I just hear it popping and I love that sound anyway so all is great. With this atty, I'm getting fast, forcible, very warm liquid drops blasting down my throat and showering my tongue like mist. So I tried things--more wick than normal, tight -- less wick than normal, loose. Spit spit spit.

I rebuilt using 28 ga, dual 8 wrap coils, around .57 or something I don't remember. No spit at all. I expected this because twisted wire tends to spit way more than non-twisted. But, the flavor was lacking big time. YMMV but I find twisted wire far superior for flavor, so I'm not faulting the atty at all - I'm faulting either my build, or the fact that I'm accustomed to twisted flavor. I'm also aware the slight variation in ohms could have an impact on flavor.

The vape performance was stellar on that 28g setup - I love how this atty hits, the vape is smooth yet powerful and responsive. I tried a few more coils - even dual 26ga, which was nicer than the 28 except the cool down was so intense I could hear it cooking for a couple seconds after letting off.

I'm not in any way confident that these builds have been optimized - I've got learning to do with coil alignment for sure. But they've all basically been lined up with the airhole, in some cases closer to the deck than I feel comfortable with.

Last night I threw in twisted 29ga 8 wrap coils again for .45 ohms. Been playing with the wicks. This time, while the spit is no different, I think my build itself was done better than before and I'll say the flavor is out of this world right now, like crazy it's so good. It's at least on par with my Odin builds, if not better.

My question: is spitback on twisted coils inevitable on this atty, or do you guys have any advice on how I can minimize juice in my mouth? Here are pics of the exact setup I've got right now *vape*



I had more cotton in last night, and lessening the thickness seems to help a little bit. I'm afraid juice in the mouth with twisted wire is unavoidable on this atty, and if so, likely my incoming Derringer as well...thoughts? Any of you freaks running twisted in a nuppy nup?

 

[pauly3]

More cotton and try to bring your coil out and parallel to edge of deck.

Spit back is far worse on Derringer for me!

Pauly3
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[finagle69]

^ I'm using duals, twisted 30AWG, 2.5mm ID, 4/5 wraps. Comes out to 0.49 Ohms. No spitback UNLESS I don't let it drain fully after a Squonk. I like the cotton to be medium/firm inside the coil as I feel it helps reduce spitback. Also, the coils should not be close to touching the deck, you want them off and close to middle of the airholes.

In general, the Nuppin build should destroy the Odin build with like ohms. I have to build my Odin around 0.35 ohms to get it to perform like my Nuppin or Derringer in terms of flavor.

My Derringer is built with the same wire, same wraps, but around a 2.4mm ID bit for 0.45 Ohms. It actually performs a touch better overall than the Nuppin like that, which means the Derringer and Nuppin are similar in how they hit (to me at least). I actually prefer the Derringer as it holds more juice per squonk, enough for one more pull (6/7 pulls as opposed to 5/6 depending on length of my draw).

Here are some pics of my Nuppin build as stated at the beginning of the post.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

Thanks for the tips both of you. I'll keep tinkering with it - and pumped for the Derringer. Glad to hear your thoughts on the Derringer finagle. It looks amazing.

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

Gotta agree with finagle on all points.

You should be getting a tad more flavour out of the Nup' than the Odin and I find that it hits about .1ohm harder (i.e., .5 on the Nup' feels like .4 on the Odin, for example).

Twisted does tend to spit more than single strand TMC's, and I find that gravity is your friend - let it drain before firing.

Also, couldn't tell from the photos, but if you're using a wide stubby dt like the router, you're maximizing the chances for juice to get in your mouth.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

Gotta agree with finagle on all points.

You should be getting a tad more flavour out of the Nup' than the Odin and I find that it hits about .1ohm harder (i.e., .5 on the Nup' feels like .4 on the Odin, for example).

Twisted does tend to spit more than single strand TMC's, and I find that gravity is your friend - let it drain before firing.

Also, couldn't tell from the photos, but if you're using a wide stubby dt like the router, you're maximizing the chances for juice to get in your mouth.

I'm using the Omega DT at the moment. I've got some non-wide bores I could use, but then the vape wouldn't be the same ...

I brought my coils out a tad further, lifted them a bit so they're more centered (they were a bit low I think), and increased the cotton - there was definite resistance, SuperX would not approve haha. Now it's spitting more the flavor got better though. Papa, Wakonda on the Nuppin is insane.

This little spitting serpent must be tamed. I'll keep pushing onward.

 

[finagle69]

I'm using the Omega DT at the moment. I've got some non-wide bores I could use, but then the vape wouldn't be the same ...

I brought my coils out a tad further, lifted them a bit so they're more centered (they were a bit low I think), and increased the cotton - there was definite resistance, SuperX would not approve haha. Now it's spitting more the flavor got better though. Papa, Wakonda on the Nuppin is insane.

This little spitting serpent must be tamed. I'll keep pushing onward.

Just looking at your pics again, it really seems like you've got too small ID and too many wraps. You're just asking for juice to collect in every nook and cranny along the surface of the coil. Try rebuilding with large ID and much fewer wraps.

 

[muzichead]

I recently received a pm from an individual that mentioned he's been hearing of the Nuppin' spitting as well. It was the first I was hearing of it, then along comes your post sloth... I am running the same setup I put in it on Nov 1st when I received it and it has been absolutely one of the best vapes I have ever had. It is a 26g 1/16" dual tensioned micro coils @ .39Ω w/ 2mm RxW. Between the Nuppin' and the Mephisto's I have, I sold all 5 of my Odin's as they were rendered useless in my arsenal... I don't get any spitback on the Nuppin' at all. The heat up and cool off is very good as well. I have tailored my draw to help with the cool down in that I keep drawing for a second or two after I release the firing button. It really has helped with any gunking I had previously also. I run dual twisted 29g in 1/16" and 3/32" in both Mephisto's w/ 2mm or 3mm RxW and have no problems with spitback either. I run dual twisted 29g 1/16" micro's in my Derringer also with no ill effects. As Papa_L mentioned, it might be the drip tip you are using or possibly the effects of using cotton? That was always a drawback from when I used the routers from Loki. I think they were just a little too LP to use with a .5Ω and below coil for me. Although the drip tips I use from Avid are almost as low, they don't suffer from the effects I had with the routers. Maybe it's a delrin vs. SS thing too!! Hard to really say. Although I have the same Avid tips in SS also I never really noticed any either, though I don't really use the SS tips anymore as they just get too hot when I'm vaping so I have grown to like the delrin more. Pretty much those are all I use. I hope you get it all figured out though...

 

[Sloth Tonight]

Just looking at your pics again, it really seems like you've got too small ID and too many wraps. You're just asking for juice to collect in every nook and cranny along the surface of the coil. Try rebuilding with large ID and much fewer wraps.

I would, but I use the wire gizmo - and the next mandrel up is way too big, isn't it?

What's funny is I did think about the surface area thing just a moment ago then I see your post. It's no issue on the Odin, but perhaps what you just said is key for the Nuppin. I could maybe use twisted 30g instead - less surface area.

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

I'm using the Omega DT at the moment. I've got some non-wide bores I could use, but then the vape wouldn't be the same ...

I brought my coils out a tad further, lifted them a bit so they're more centered (they were a bit low I think), and increased the cotton - there was definite resistance, SuperX would not approve haha. Now it's spitting more the flavor got better though. Papa, Wakonda on the Nuppin is insane.

This little spitting serpent must be tamed. I'll keep pushing onward.

The Omega should be fine - not as open as the router, and longer. Agreed that using a KF-like dt would ruin the experience.

Lucky snake with your easy access to NT. It's a bear to get up here in the frozen (well, wet, actually) north.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

The Omega should be fine - not as open as the router, and longer. Agreed that using a KF-like dt would ruin the experience.

Lucky snake with your easy access to NT. It's a bear to get up here in the frozen (well, wet, actually) north.

Yeah, did the recent change in their labeling of the product (ie "E-Liquid on customs forms") impact your ability to get it? Someone was asking about that in Nicoville earlier.

I'm gonna have to wait until I can get the appropriate sized thumbscrew, wahers, and wingnut for the 3mm mandrel of the coiling gizmo, then I'll try rebuilding with twisted wire on that and see if I get less spit. In the meantime I may try like 6 wraps of twisted 30 gauge on the 1/16th, or even plain old dual 26gauge again on the 1/16th like muzichead. Maybe if I get the coil placement right the flavor will rock, who knows - I should try to bring myself out of my twisted phase if she's a poppin so much, but, between the flavor and (call me silly, I am silly!) the look of twisted coils, I'm kind of...well, enamored.

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

Yeah, did the recent change in their labeling of the product (ie "E-Liquid on customs forms") impact your ability to get it? Someone was asking about that in Nicoville earlier.

I'm gonna have to wait until I can get the appropriate sized thumbscrew, wahers, and wingnut for the 3mm mandrel of the coiling gizmo, then I'll try rebuilding with twisted wire on that and see if I get less spit. In the meantime I may try like 6 wraps of twisted 30 gauge on the 1/16th, or even plain old dual 26gauge again on the 1/16th like muzichead. Maybe if I get the coil placement right the flavor will rock, who knows - I should try to bring myself out of my twisted phase if she's a poppin so much, but, between the flavor and (call me silly, I am silly!) the look of twisted coils, I'm kind of...well, enamored.

E-juice and crossing the border is iffy. Sometimes even zero nic or flavourings alone can be seized. Anything with vaping related markings is getting opened and inspected these days. I had some dt's from Cherry Vapes and some Vapage bottles ripped into then taped back up. Interestingly, no duty, tho.

Rob's stuff sails through with no problems.

I'm thinking fewer wraps of twisted 30 will help (less surface area), but the larger coil ID is a good idea to try, too.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

Rob's stuff sails through with no problems.

Really? To Japan you mean, right?

If you think less wraps of twisted 30 may help I'll try that - 6 wraps incoming. I guess I tend to try and always stick to 8-10 because my experience with 28ga has been the same as Russ (ie less than 8 = hot legs to high heavens) BUT I forget to think about how much wider twisted wire is. I'm sure less wraps is doable with thicker wire like twisted 29 or 30.

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

Really? To Japan you mean, right?

If you think less wraps of twisted 30 may help I'll try that - 6 wraps incoming. I guess I tend to try and always stick to 8-10 because my experience with 28ga has been the same as Russ (ie less than 8 = hot legs to high heavens) BUT I forget to think about how much wider twisted wire is. I'm sure less wraps is doable with thicker wire like twisted 29 or 30.

Heh - reos via Tokyo, Nuppin' via Israel, kanthal via the UK. It all got here, tho, and none of it opened and inspected.

I know you had a dickens of a problem with hot legs some time ago, but I think that 6 wraps or so of twisted should "collect" the resistance where it's supposed to be in the coils. 6 is my lucky number for wraps these days, with no hot legs after doing the 'pool cue' trick.

 

[finagle69]

^ Agreed. My magic numbers are either 4/5 wrap or 5/6 wrap depending on what resistance you really want. I use coil diameter as a secondary adjustment to that with a preference to 2.5mm or greater.

 

[super_X_drifter]

Tim, here's the doctors orders :

Back the centerpost out about 1/4 turn so the post holes are closer to the holes in the deck. Run smaller diameter coils, ditch the twisted sister. 8 wraps of 29 each coil. Raise the coils so they are centered or even a tad high on the air slots. Keep the coils a lil away from the deck edge (not as close as you normally do).

Use a thin wick of KGD like my Elvis murdering vid.

Tip: cut the wire off right at the upright of the gizmo when the wire is pulled perpendicular to it.

Call me in the morning.

 

[Mark Denison]

You can try a slight tilt to the coil also to help with spitting. I usually do one coil center with the air hole and the other coil a lil higher than center of air hole. I don't use a tip and never have any juice in my mouth

 

[muzichead]

This is how the Nuppin' was meant to be coiled. There is no turning of the center post or anything like that. This is the coils i put in mine 3 months ago. I'm still rockin' this bad boy right now...