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NY disaster....What if it happens?

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  1. RyeCcast

    RyeCcast Full Member

    Jan 12, 2011
    Vermont
    So not to be a downer but what if the ban actually happens and we can buy e-cigs anymore? Does the bill include actual nicotine concentrate? Cuz a tleast we could DIY to maintain vaping and not go back to smoking.
    I am about 20 minuntes from New York, and go over many times for liquid,and ecig needs. I am worried. I have done my share of letter writing, calling legislatures but still worried.

    Can I store unflavored DIY nicotine in the fridge? What is the best way to store it? Just in case.

    This is a reality so let's hope it doesn't get this far.
     
  2. Zal42

    Zal42 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 20, 2011
    Oregon
    I couldn't find the thread offhand, but there's one about nic liquid storage. I believe the consensus was that you want to store nic liquid (the pure stuff, no flavorings or colorings in it) in a bottle with as little air as possible (nicotine oxidizes) in a freezer, and will last for a year or two that way.

    If a ban goes into effect, a black market ill certainly arise. Worst case, there's always this.
     
  3. pkj

    pkj Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 18, 2010
    Paula in Arizona
  4. BuzzKill

    BuzzKill Unregistered Supplier ECF Veteran

    Nov 6, 2009
    Central Coast Ca.
    You will be able to buy what you want , they cannot stop all USPS shipments into NY ! , you will not be able to Vape in public however but there is NOTHING they can do to stop you getting parts and juice .

    NY is so ....ing stupid , they know NOTHING about these things and want to ban them for what reason ???? let sban that tree over there we dont know what it is ?????????????? amazing.
     
  5. Zal42

    Zal42 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 20, 2011
    Oregon
    Perhaps not in an absolute sense, but they certainly can prohibit businesses from shipping the stuff to NY. Interstate commerce is federal jurisdiction, and the feds will uphold any bans by the states by prohibiting importation to the state.

    So you might find a friend willing to ship to you in NY, but you might have a bigger problem finding a business willing to do so.
     
  6. BuzzKill

    BuzzKill Unregistered Supplier ECF Veteran

    Nov 6, 2009
    Central Coast Ca.
    Hell I will , USPS is NOT going to stop every package into NY . and until they have a LAW just banning them does not make it illegal to sell them .

    They would have to have a list of all of the Ecig businesses ( BTW I sell VAPORIZERS not E-cigs ) so I can just change the name and be legal , ( look at the pot industry , that is what they do )
     
  7. JohnKing

    JohnKing Moved On ECF Veteran

    Oct 28, 2010
    FL
    You'll get co-operating AG's - the AG from NY picks up the phone and tells the AG from FL; I don't want your ecig stuff coming into my state..grumbling will occur, letters will be sent to FL vendors...the state wins.

    You really, really do not want to see this bill passed, it is just a blueprint for other states.
     
  8. BuzzKill

    BuzzKill Unregistered Supplier ECF Veteran

    Nov 6, 2009
    Central Coast Ca.
    I agree it should not be passed , it is uninformed and is Paranoid BS IMO
    as far as the AG getting involved , they have to KNOW the stuff is coming in first !

    as I said before USPS is not going to enforce NY law , it is not their job or mandate.
     
  9. stefon

    stefon Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 30, 2010
    IL
    The same thing happened with a product in Illinois called ".... Coffee". The name is simply a joke, it's very strong coffee. Illinois passed a bill and now the company is no longer able to ship to Illinois. I contacted the company and they confirmed it. People should be able to do what they want. I don't need the government telling me what's healthy and what's not. Starbucks produces drinks that are just as strong the before mentioned coffee. Cigarettes are unhealthy as hell, but the government taxes them to make a buck, so smoking analogues is "ok" with them. If they can't make a buck, neither can you.
     
  10. Danger Bunny

    Danger Bunny Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 8, 2011
    Los Angeles, SFV, CA.
    Why? Money. It's all about the money people. Correct me if I'm mistaken but doesn't New Your have the highest cigarette tax in the nation? They aren't really concerned about peoples health, they want the tax dollars. Cigarette smokers are used and abused in this country.:evil:
     
  11. n2xe

    n2xe Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 9, 2011
    Owego, NY
    What if we all target a NYS assemblymen or Senator and educate them? What if we launch a campaign to get Them thrown out of office? What if we brand them as pro-tobacco death. What if we all fight them and go on offense? What if?...
     
  12. JohnKing

    JohnKing Moved On ECF Veteran

    Oct 28, 2010
    FL
    You need to understand how these things work once they get some traction, do not be lulled into looking at what is happening today, they are thinking long term.

    Message sent loud and clear to hearing aid marketer | FDA Consumer | Find Articles at BNET

    The USPS won't protect you. This guy brought on the wrath of 17 attorney generals based on an FDA affidavit. This is how they do things.
     
  13. JohnKing

    JohnKing Moved On ECF Veteran

    Oct 28, 2010
    FL
    Just send donations to the NY assemblymen that support your position, you fight money with money. I sent 12.99 to Steve McLaughlin, if many others did the same, you would see this bill stopped in its tracks.

    Maybe we do a "12.99 club" let them know it's vapers, for the price of a few attys we get some pull in Albany, I'm from FL BTW but feel better for doing something. They ignore most emails, letters, etc, but not money, that they pay attention to.
     
  14. Zal42

    Zal42 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 20, 2011
    Oregon
    You are right. The USPS will deliver the packages. However, the federal government could levy substantial fines on any company that knowingly ships prohibited items into a state.

    This sort of thing is why, for example, I cannot purchase pseudoephedrine-based allergy medications in my state. The drug is legal elsewhere without a prescription, the USPS will indeed ship it to me, but no reputable seller will send it because they could suffer a financial penalty for doing so.
     
  15. ACM

    ACM Super Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 11, 2009
    If the bill becomes law, the bottom line is that anything you order from an out of state company most likely will get delivered as long as the package is not marked as coming from an e-cig related vendor. However, in the off chance that postal inspectors recognize or identify a package as containing e-cigs, accessories, or juice, they will seize the package and impose whatever penalties are prescribed under the law. That could mean as little as a minor fine to as much as jail time (although the latter would be unlikely.)

    Vendors would have to be willing to risk whatever penalties exist in order for New Yorkers to be able to continue vaping, and I don't think many will do that. Some years ago, NY worked out a deal with FedEx and UPS to stop shipping cigarettes purchased online to NY addresses. Even though the internet cigarette companies could have just shipped in unmarked packages, they didn't. They just stopped doing business in NY.

    My guess is that's what would happen in this case. Vendors would simply not ship to NY addresses. So unless you know someone in a nearby state who could accept a package and forward it on to you, this bill, should it become law, will mean the end of vaping in NY.
     
  16. Uma

    Uma Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 4, 2010
    Calif
    Rosenthal quit the hard way and expects everyone to do just like she did. (way back when in the dark ages). According to here theory, every woman should only give birth via natural childbirth if that's how she gave birth. and so forth.

    Print out all the mod tutorials that interest you, including the cart mods and diy attys.
    Print out the info on DIY liquid.
    Stock up on nic, but more importantly, focus on cutting back your nicotine intake via perhpas adding drops of zero nic to your mg each day and increasing the zero as comfort allows.
    Vape and chew nicorette or use the patch .... that do have the toxic carp added to each and every one. (we'd have to vape over 6,000 carts a day in order to catch up to the carp they put in the FDA approved carp).

    Good luck, and fight on so we can vape on in peace.
     
  17. Israfil

    Israfil Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    You can bet that a thriving black market will spring up. People running ecigs in, or selling them to new yorkers just over the border and those new yorkers can return with their products safely in hand. ^_^ We won't stop, we won't give up, and they don't understand that.
     
  18. aziffel

    aziffel Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 10, 2010
    nc
    Yes!the gov't don't give a ---- about your health,they do care about your(their) money.
     
  19. Liv2Ski

    Liv2Ski Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 14, 2010
    Burnt Hills NY
    The real scary thing is that NY has a track record of being the first to pass legislation like this. For example: Ban on smoking in bars, Handsfree cellphone law and of course the seatbelt law. If this law were to pass you can bet, like lemmings, other States would soon jump on the bandwagon like they have done so many times before. We must speak out and educate the NY Assembly of the falsehoods and misconceptions the health subcomitte used to build this bill. Our state loves to write laws to govern common sense but yet they can not pass a budget on time to save their lives! CASAA is a great resource to get this done and their posts contain form letters and addresses that material can be sent to. Even if you are not a NY resident I urge you to flood their mailboxes, inboxes or faxes with the facts. Maybe someone will listen to reason!!!!
     
  20. v1John

    v1John Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Mar 23, 2010
    va
    Shipments from China go through either NY or SF, would they still be permitted to got hrough NY customs, x-rays, etc? Is there a way for China to ship only through SF? It seems that there is no way China can control the path that USPS chooses, doesn't it?
     
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