NY State Ban Bill
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Because anti-tobacco corporations and government agencies do have a financial interest in pharmaceuticals, health care services, as well as tobacco taxes and MSA payments that are generated by continued smoking. Its the dark secret they don't want to admit to themselves, but it is obviously true: So called "health" professionals and agencies are financially dependent on the direct and indirect revenue such that any "cure" for the status quo that does not benefit them is a threat. That explains the underlying "if you are not with us, you're with the terrorists" attitude against harm reduction: E-cigarettes represent a very real threat to the status quo without currently offering anything to fill the void except us vapers who don't smoke but didn't buy FDA Approved Drugs™ to do it.
Even if e-cigs only proved to be helpful for 1 in 4 smokers to quit, imagine for a moment the financial impact on the pharmaceutical, health care, and insurance industries and related government health and education programs if 11,500,000 Americans stopped spending $10 or more every day on cigarettes or nicotine patches? You better believe they are interested in the "long term effects" of vaping, but "I don't think that means, what you think it means"
At this point the "powers that be" aren't as concerned with keeping the public from being able to buy e-cigarettes, their problem is with their ability to determine who is allowed to sell them. The FDA desperately needs the ability to ban so they can hold back the market long enough to figure out how to keep themselves employed when millions of smokers find out that they don't have to suffer through repeated failed attempts to quit using recreational nicotine or tobacco products altogether to avoid more than 99% of the risks of smoking.
I'm afraid we might need taxes on smoking replacements just to shut up the greedy b...bureaucrats long enough to simply let us vape in peace.
As long as your going to confront these ugly truths, know also that the Cancer Society and Heart Association are not charities interested in a cure or prevention. They jumped on the anti e-cig because they are a profit based industry. When a loved one dies of lung cancer and the family asks for donations to one of the scam charities mentioned it makes me sad. they are in bed with the tobacco companies. Plutocracy is the rule of the day in most every regime, but is rampant in America. They make billions and billions and don't want to lose a penny of it to e-cigs and care not one iota about our health. It's all about $$$$$$
I still say this could be taken to court and over turned, they've already ruled it was a tobacco product and can't be banned. At least for awhile. What would they do if the nicotine were taken out of the e-cig? Hell, I can make nicotine from snus if I had to, point is, everything else in the juice can be bought over the counter. Sheeple will be misinformed and their reality tampered with (I.E. it's anti-freeze), but I'm used to that. Fox News will be first to demonize it, as it's blatantly corporate propaganda - the rest will follow. Independent truthful research won't see the light of day. We must become active educators before this gets way out of hand!
Here's the Albany Fox News report. (I'm the second guy, not vaping). All in all I think this is as good a story as could be. You film students out there, note the editing and it doesn't make Rosenthal look likable or credible. If they put things in chronological order (my interview was after hers), she would have looked better and I would have looked defensive.
Send a note to Cait McVey at Fox news in Albany for the fair and balanced report. We need to encourage this.
Effort to ban e-cigs moves forward - FOX23 News - The 10 O'Clock News
CaitlinMcVey@fox23news.com
Send a note to Cait McVey at Fox news in Albany for the fair and balanced report. We need to encourage this.
Effort to ban e-cigs moves forward - FOX23 News - The 10 O'Clock News
CaitlinMcVey@fox23news.com
Who was the jerk with his duck talk? So far as I know, there's nothing in the constitution or any laws, anywhere, that says addiction itself is wrong and shouldn't be allowed!
Very nice John! It's a shame that you hear rosenthal's half assed explanation of ingredients that are in e-juice she should prob get her facts straight b4 opening her un educated mouth " in regards to vaping of course" I believe u had made a phone call last night on vapersplace? I was listening and heard someone I'm assuming yours? I agree with you and also feel as though when events like this arise we need stick together and show up at meetings regardless if we are allowed to speak or not.... OBV the media will be there and if hundreds of vapers are on television opposing the bill it WILL make and impact if not on what goes on behind closed doors.. it will on the general public and everyone else that is watching it on television....
Edit-- I would have been there but due to the short notice and the fact that I live on long island it would have been nearly impossible....
Sent from somewhere in my daily travels....
Thanks again n2xe
We really need to get ahold of the video of the meeting and find out what the individuals legislators said.
We really need to get ahold of the video of the meeting and find out what the individuals legislators said.
Very good job, John! You came across as well-spoken (and well-dressed.)
"Nicotine is an addiction and whether its through paper and plant or whether its in an e-controlled device, if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck it is a duck."
This guy on the Committee makes no sense whatsoever. Who is this idiot? The problem with nicotine addiction is SMOKING, not the nicotine! If that were the case, they better get nicotine gums & lozenges back on prescription only, because plenty of smokers swap cigarettes for gums/lozenges. They are just as addicted! So now, not only do we have to quit smoking, we aren't allowed to be addicted to anything, even if it has very low health risks??
These people need to get the point that this isn't about the fight against nicotine addiction, it's about SMOKING!!!
"E-cigs contain unidentified chemicals, some of which can be more harmful then chemicals in tobacco," Rosenthal says.
Really? How can you know if they are more harmful than the chemicals in tobacco if they are "unidentified???"
Listen you stupid b-tch, EVERYTHING IN E-CIGARETTES IS ALREADY IN TOBACCO SO IT CAN'T BE MORE HARMFUL!!! E-cigarettes just lack all of the deadly stuff. Tobacco already contains nicotine, PG and artificial flavoring PLUS 4,000 more chemicals and carcinogens.
AAGH!!!! I hate these people!!
"Nicotine is an addiction and whether its through paper and plant or whether its in an e-controlled device, if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck it is a duck."
This guy on the Committee makes no sense whatsoever. Who is this idiot? The problem with nicotine addiction is SMOKING, not the nicotine! If that were the case, they better get nicotine gums & lozenges back on prescription only, because plenty of smokers swap cigarettes for gums/lozenges. They are just as addicted! So now, not only do we have to quit smoking, we aren't allowed to be addicted to anything, even if it has very low health risks??
These people need to get the point that this isn't about the fight against nicotine addiction, it's about SMOKING!!!
"E-cigs contain unidentified chemicals, some of which can be more harmful then chemicals in tobacco," Rosenthal says.
Really? How can you know if they are more harmful than the chemicals in tobacco if they are "unidentified???"
Listen you stupid b-tch, EVERYTHING IN E-CIGARETTES IS ALREADY IN TOBACCO SO IT CAN'T BE MORE HARMFUL!!! E-cigarettes just lack all of the deadly stuff. Tobacco already contains nicotine, PG and artificial flavoring PLUS 4,000 more chemicals and carcinogens.
AAGH!!!! I hate these people!!
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nicotine liquid and e-cigarettes have NOT been ruled as a tobacco product!! Stop spreading untruths. The Federal Court of Appeals challenged the FDA to have them labeled as such so that then and only then can the FDA have anything to say or do about any of it.
The ball is in the FDA's court to do this, or for the e-cig/juice manufacturers and distributors to approach the FDA and apply for assessment and approvals.
The ball is in the FDA's court to do this, or for the e-cig/juice manufacturers and distributors to approach the FDA and apply for assessment and approvals.
Hmmm so if it walks like a duck, looks like a duck then it must be a duck huh?
Then I guess since they are basically acting like murderers by banning pv's and actually lying about not knowing what is in them, then they must be murderers. Because they are in effect trying to murder us by basically telling us not to use deadly e-cigs and go back to smoking the safer cigarettes. That's my 2 cents worth.
Then I guess since they are basically acting like murderers by banning pv's and actually lying about not knowing what is in them, then they must be murderers. Because they are in effect trying to murder us by basically telling us not to use deadly e-cigs and go back to smoking the safer cigarettes. That's my 2 cents worth.
Why should they care about our health? It's not like smokers haven't heard that smoking is hazardous to their health.
But consider this: The CDC estimates that about 400,000 of the 46,000,000 American smokers die each year from smoking related disease. That <1% combined with single-digit "success" rates of smoking cessation drugs have kept the wheels of the smoking industry moving for the past several decades. They don't care about the <1% who die each year, they care about the 99% who continue paying tobacco taxes and settlements every day until they die of
*Provided by many of the same people who want to ban e-cigs...imagine that.
Why should they care about our health? It's not like smokers haven't heard that smoking is bad more than a few times in their life.
But consider this: The CDC estimates that about 400,000 of the 46,000,000 American smokers die each year from smoking related disease. That <1% combined with single-digit "success" rates of smoking cessation drugs have kept the wheels of the smoking industry moving for the past several decades. They don't care about the <1% who die each year, they care about the 99% who continue paying tobacco taxes and settlements every day until they die of
If you google "electronic cigarettes" the NY ban comes up.
I believe the article deserves some more comments.
I believe the article deserves some more comments.
I second that! Kristin and Elaine are awesome.
I posted a reply to the Fox23 News story.
ME TOO! Unfortunately, it might really mean death for alot of us if we are denied our right to use a less harmful alternative to tobacco. Thanks government, for trying to make all my decisions for me. I couldn't function without someone telling me what to do!
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