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NYC Bans Flavored Cigarette Products
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That is a dreadful development, based on the flawed premise that "young people" are the only ones who might like a flavored tobacco product. Nanny state gone berserk! These anti-tobacco people are just nuts!
Friends of mine told me about getting ticketed in NY because of the smoking laws. Cigarette in mouth, not lit up yet, on subway stairs.
Bloomberg and Guilianni are responsible for a number of laws that they claimed would improve the quality of life in NY. It's just ensured that I go into the city as little as possible.
Bloomberg and Guilianni are responsible for a number of laws that they claimed would improve the quality of life in NY. It's just ensured that I go into the city as little as possible.
I'd rather go to Toronto. I've never been to New York and from what I've seen I don't care too.
Good thing menthol is not a flavor.
Menthol chews, pipes, cigarettes and cigars are in order.
Menthol chews, pipes, cigarettes and cigars are in order.
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<< From Coney Island to Central Park, banning smoking at New York City's famous parks and beaches is the next goal of Mayor Michael Bloomberg's anti-tobacco crusade.
Bloomberg's health commissioner, Thomas Farley, said Monday that parents shouldn't have to breathe smoke while standing on the sidelines of their children's soccer games, and children shouldn't even have to look at adults smoking, he said >>
" Children shouldn't even have to look at adults smoking"
Are you kidding me. When do parents take the responsibility to raise their kids not to smoke? Don't worry about that. Bloomberg will do that for you....
<< The mayor revealed Monday that his anti-smoking agenda includes scowling at smokers "with not a particularly nice look" as he passes by them when they are gathered outside of buildings. "And social pressure really does work," he added. >>
Now thats a guy that should be getting in office again........
And last but not least our other choice for Mayor:
<< Controller William Thompson, Bloomberg's opponent, told the group later that he would pursue the ban if elected.
"The concept of a smoke-free park makes sense to me," Thompson said. >>
NYC is going to become one great party town for the Amish very soon!
<< From Coney Island to Central Park, banning smoking at New York City's famous parks and beaches is the next goal of Mayor Michael Bloomberg's anti-tobacco crusade.
Bloomberg's health commissioner, Thomas Farley, said Monday that parents shouldn't have to breathe smoke while standing on the sidelines of their children's soccer games, and children shouldn't even have to look at adults smoking, he said >>
" Children shouldn't even have to look at adults smoking"
Are you kidding me. When do parents take the responsibility to raise their kids not to smoke? Don't worry about that. Bloomberg will do that for you....
<< The mayor revealed Monday that his anti-smoking agenda includes scowling at smokers "with not a particularly nice look" as he passes by them when they are gathered outside of buildings. "And social pressure really does work," he added. >>
Now thats a guy that should be getting in office again........
And last but not least our other choice for Mayor:
<< Controller William Thompson, Bloomberg's opponent, told the group later that he would pursue the ban if elected.
"The concept of a smoke-free park makes sense to me," Thompson said. >>
NYC is going to become one great party town for the Amish very soon!
Hmmm. This no longer appears to be some effort to "save the children." This is an outright move toward prohibition. Rather than outlaw tobacco, outlaw its use!
This is like the non-smoker who said he didn't mind if we inhaled smoke .. just don't exhale.
This is like the non-smoker who said he didn't mind if we inhaled smoke .. just don't exhale.
Interesting, at the City Council Public Hearing here in Indy last night, one of the councilors against the smoking ban asked "Where does this stop? I am overweight. Some might call me fat. Do we start banning the overweight from public next?"
The anti-smoking advocate next to me says: "Damn straight. We are coming for you next." I suddenly felt very sick.
There ARE people amongst us who think perfection from a magazine cover is what ALL American's should be and anything less is uncivilized.
The anti-smoking advocate next to me says: "Damn straight. We are coming for you next." I suddenly felt very sick.
There ARE people amongst us who think perfection from a magazine cover is what ALL American's should be and anything less is uncivilized.
I still dont get how they can do all this while still letting Menthol stay in play.
It like a slap in the face to the taxpayers... i mean could it be any more obvious that they are afraid of Big Tabacco or are they getting kickbacks for leaving that flavor alone ????
It like a slap in the face to the taxpayers... i mean could it be any more obvious that they are afraid of Big Tabacco or are they getting kickbacks for leaving that flavor alone ????
Bloomberg is a ...... WTF does he think comes out of the exhaust pipe of a yellow cab?
Steam?
This is the state of mind that all smokers (and vapers if the haters have their way) are going to be matched against in the future. I wonder if Bloomberg has any vices that we could use against him?
Stuff he does that makes his life worth living. Stuff that shows we live in a free society.
Does he exclusively drink FreeTrade coffee? I doubt it. Does he have a neutral carbon footprint? I wonder ... I wonder if he really is a complete hypocrite for picking on a single, very large, section of society that he personally is opposed to?
How about we campaign to get every Starbucks closed down? I wonder how that would go down?
Steam?
This is the state of mind that all smokers (and vapers if the haters have their way) are going to be matched against in the future. I wonder if Bloomberg has any vices that we could use against him?
Stuff he does that makes his life worth living. Stuff that shows we live in a free society.
Does he exclusively drink FreeTrade coffee? I doubt it. Does he have a neutral carbon footprint? I wonder ... I wonder if he really is a complete hypocrite for picking on a single, very large, section of society that he personally is opposed to?
How about we campaign to get every Starbucks closed down? I wonder how that would go down?
the whole concept to me is absolutely insane. banning it because it has flavors? for God's sake, I'm 30 years old and guess what? I still have taste buds!
It's pathetic really, all it shows is that they have absolutely no idea how to get kids to stop smoking. This isn't going to do it....I bet you the ratio of kids who smoke regular and menthol ciggs, compared to those that smoked cloves, has got to easily be 10 to 1
It's pathetic really, all it shows is that they have absolutely no idea how to get kids to stop smoking. This isn't going to do it....I bet you the ratio of kids who smoke regular and menthol ciggs, compared to those that smoked cloves, has got to easily be 10 to 1
Government can only grow due to the human nature of those working in it. It's a systemic problem really. We can only hope to slow the growth of government because I don't recall an example of it ever shrinking. Just the other day a bureaucrat at my work insisted that instead of her administrative department keeping a really simple new record to save us all time, it would be more efficient to create a whole new layer of bureaucracy in my department.
Maybe the issue of government's attempts to control our behavior will become popular public debate when everyone has to pay a tax based on their weight (BMI), cholesterol level, and the number of times they miss going to the gym each week. One can hardly be suprised it's happening when we need a warning label on a hammer. There is no common sense when we are completely dependent on someone else.
Maybe the issue of government's attempts to control our behavior will become popular public debate when everyone has to pay a tax based on their weight (BMI), cholesterol level, and the number of times they miss going to the gym each week. One can hardly be suprised it's happening when we need a warning label on a hammer. There is no common sense when we are completely dependent on someone else.
This had nothing to do with flavors. Its all about control. There are age restriction laws already in place. If kids were buying these. Enforce the laws already in place. Why ban something that only adults are supposed to be able to buy?
Don't big cities like NY have more pressing things to be concerned about than flavored tobacco? Like, oh i don't know, poverty? Homelessness? Runaways? Violence? High school drop-out rates?...
Oh yeah, that's right, those with low incomes don't contribute to their campaign funds! Well that explains it!
The highest priority is always the largest bidder
Oh yeah, that's right, those with low incomes don't contribute to their campaign funds! Well that explains it!
The highest priority is always the largest bidder
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This raises a good point. I think it applies with the FDA too.
I was going on and on to my wife about FDA and how their position is mainly driven by protecting their financial interests etc. etc. She suggested that behind the scenes (mentally) it is probably more about control. My wife had a more technical explanation using terms she learned while getting her PhD in psychology. Most of her explanation I did not understand, but in a nutshell:
More than anything, it probably hurt the FDA's ego that they were not asked to bless something that is so obviously much better so now they are going to beat their chests and show their power so others don't try to circumvent their power.
Even when $$$ seems to be the motivation the reason why is $$$ = power = control which feeds egos.
As someone who became addicted to analogs at I young age I feel regulation and stricter enforcement would not be a bad thing, but banning something that I've never seen any of the kid's smoking back in high school is something that in all logic and experience is based upon an idea without any information behind it. "Kid's like candy bar's... kid's like sweet things! Thats how they are getting hooked!" As a high school smoker I socialised with other high school smokers, and there were a LOT of them. Did I ever see ONE of them EVER with a flavored cigarette? Throughout all 4 years of high school? Not a one. Legislation NEEDS to be grounded on facts not idea's and interpretation! If they find me 1 neutral study that proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that flavored tobacco's are a young persons first or primary smoke and the reason they are getting "hooked" I will begrudgling vote toward a ban. Until then the most powerful smoking prevention method for youths needs to be put into action, good parents. If my parent's knew I was smoking it would have been ended or at least made far far far more difficult very quickly. You don't want your kid's smoking? Talk to them about it, watch out for warning signs and last choice confront them if your suspicions go far enough. Banning flavored tobacco tobacco products will not stop one youth from smoking, I didn't even know flavored tobacco's existed till after I was 18 and I have smoked on and off since 13 year old. This is another case of an official imposing the way he see's things based on his own biast's and not a single fact.
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Banning flavors is a way of removing some pleasure from the act of smoking, chewing or snuffing. I disagree this is about simply control; this is a marker of how despised smokers are and any act that mimics smoking. In Mexico, bubble gum and chocolate cigars are now illegal. They look like tobacco products.
Fact: Menthol was exempted for one reason -- it's the overwhelming favorite of African-Americans. And no politician wanted to anger that faction at this time. Rush Limbaugh went so far as to say it's a plot to kill off black people.
Savvy smokers can flavor their own tobacco. But pure tobacco is bitter. It is an "acquired taste" as they say. Flavoring has traditionally mellowed the smoke for a better taste. And flavors are in most cigs, whether they're advertised or not. Take them all out and the smoke isn't going to go down as easily.
First time smokers will likely gag and cough. And that is exactly what the anti's want to happen. Smoking, chewing, snuffing must not be pleasant! That's the way you stop young people from starting. Three-pronged attack: Make tobacco too expensive to use; make it unpleasant when used; allow it to be used only outside of any public place.
It's working, isn't it?
What this NYC move is just another step toward ultimate prohibition of tobacco use. Not of smoking. Of TOBACCO USE. And whether it's adopted or not will speak volumes on how smokers are seen by the rest of society.
Fact: Menthol was exempted for one reason -- it's the overwhelming favorite of African-Americans. And no politician wanted to anger that faction at this time. Rush Limbaugh went so far as to say it's a plot to kill off black people.
Savvy smokers can flavor their own tobacco. But pure tobacco is bitter. It is an "acquired taste" as they say. Flavoring has traditionally mellowed the smoke for a better taste. And flavors are in most cigs, whether they're advertised or not. Take them all out and the smoke isn't going to go down as easily.
First time smokers will likely gag and cough. And that is exactly what the anti's want to happen. Smoking, chewing, snuffing must not be pleasant! That's the way you stop young people from starting. Three-pronged attack: Make tobacco too expensive to use; make it unpleasant when used; allow it to be used only outside of any public place.
It's working, isn't it?
What this NYC move is just another step toward ultimate prohibition of tobacco use. Not of smoking. Of TOBACCO USE. And whether it's adopted or not will speak volumes on how smokers are seen by the rest of society.
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