obamacare and vaping?

[pamdis]

According to the way the ACA is written they can ONLY take a penalty from your tax return. So the simple solution is to pay exactly the amount you need to in taxes and not have a return. Or defer taxes until tax season (if your responsible).

Careful here. The penalty is CALCULATED on your tax return. The bottom line is what you either owe or get refunded. If you owe the penalty, you owe it. And don't think they won't get it from you just because there is no refund to deduct if from.

Also, I have seen people say, "I'll just pay the $95". The penalty is $95 OR 1% of your income (not sure if gross, AGI, MAGI, etc), whichever is more. Next year it is $350 or 2.5% of your income.

 

[Petrodus]

There's good reasons why the IRS is the "Enforcer" of Obama Care.
With the IRS you are guilty until proven innocent.

 

[cookiebun]

Actually, there is no reason for you to walk around with a broken foot dear. The DR's and Hospitals MUST treat you for your illnesses/injuries. All you have to do is make the minimum payment of $10 every month to repay medical debt. This is the law.

And yes, Obama care is terrible! As well as I know what it's like to not have insurance at all. It took me 6 and 1/2 years to pay off my 30 thousand dollar debt for surgery when I had no insurance. I paid every penny myself, I had no help from anyone, all the while living off minimum wage. It can be done with out the Goverment forcing us into bad insurance, people just need to take responsibility for themselves.

Sorry but that's not what happened to me. Total hogwash.
Also, 4 years later I broke my leg because of that frigging foot. I had a payment plan for that which I paid faithfully while they STILL TURNED THE ACCOUNT OVER TO COLLECTIONS. I went there every week and paid them a little money in a plan we both agreed to.
Yet every month I got a hateful letter from them demanding payment in full. They turned it over to collections who harassed me for six
months AFTER I FINISHED PAYING THEM OFF!. This was in the states of Ohio and Washington in the early 1980's.
I don't know what state you are in but in mine there are about 20 companies operating out of a single hospital and they all want their money NOW.
I broke my arm at work which is workers comp. One of the doctors actually billed my insurance and I got billed for 30%. That was fun getting straightened out.
Under Obamacare I have $75 more per pay period to go into my retirement account. THAT ROCKS!

 

[Stegle]

Sorry but that's not what happened to me. Total hogwash.
Also, 4 years later I broke my leg because of that frigging foot. I had a payment plan for that which I paid faithfully while they STILL TURNED THE ACCOUNT OVER TO COLLECTIONS. I went there every week and paid them a little money in a plan we both agreed to.
Yet every month I got a hateful letter from them demanding payment in full. They turned it over to collections who harassed me for six
months AFTER I FINISHED PAYING THEM OFF!. This was in the states of Ohio and Washington in the early 1980's.
I don't know what state you are in but in mine there are about 20 companies operating out of a single hospital and they all want their money NOW.
I broke my arm at work which is workers comp. One of the doctors actually billed my insurance and I got billed for 30%. That was fun getting straightened out.
Under Obamacare I have $75 more per pay period to go into my retirement account. THAT ROCKS!

I will agree with you that for some people it seems like a Godsend, my brother included. But there has to be another way to help people like you and not hurt the millions of people that it will affect negatively. My insurance will be roughly an additional $300 a month and I know many who are facing much larger increases! I can't afford that so while it's good for you...you have to understand that for the majority of middle class people, it sucks big time. Can you understand that? I feel for your pain but many others will be forced to either pay all their bills each month or just some so they can also eat and put gas in their car...Do you feel me???

 

[cookiebun]

I will agree with you that for some people it seems like a Godsend, my brother included. But there has to be another way to help people like you and not hurt the millions of people that it will affect negatively. My insurance will be roughly an additional $300 a month and I know many who are facing much larger increases! I can't afford that so while it's good for you...you have to understand that for the majority of middle class people, it sucks big time. Can you understand that? I feel for your pain but many others will be forced to either pay all their bills each month or just some so they can also eat and put gas in their car...Do you feel me???

Our health insurance rates went up drastically after they passed obamacare last year and the year before. This is the first time they've actually gone down . The only reason they went down is because they offered the the second "obamacare minimum' as a choice this year. the standard plan is still very expensive. I had to have an ultrasound last month. I fully expect my insurance to refuse to pay. Why not, they were willing to deny me antibiotics when I had pneumonia. If I'm going to get ripped off for an insurance policy I'd rather it be cheap.

I bought my very first car when I was 49 and that's because my husband pays the rent. I've been too broke to buy a car for most of my life, let alone worry about gas.

 

[Thunderball]

obamacare and vaping?

When will this nightmare be over ?

 

[Jcdew67]

You'd need to eat 28 pounds of eggplant to get the amount of nicotine in your blood that a smoker has.
There's a 2 year old thread about that here on ECF somewhere.
This is a topic that comes up a lot on ECF.

Edit: Ok I found the old thread. Its 22lbs not 28:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...cussion/219410-health-insurance-e-cigs-5.html

Edit for those of you knocking Obamacare:
I guess you don't know what it's like to walk around with a broken foot for for more than six months because you have no insurance. I guess you don't know what it's like to wear SANDALS IN JANUARY (subzero temps) because they are the only shoes that will fit over your broken foot. I guess you don't know what it's like that more than 23 years latter that I can still feel where I broke that foot as I sit here typing. I guess you don't know what it's like to have your WHOLE LIFE revolve around that FRIGGING FOOT THAT YOU BROKE 23 years ago. I have no life outside work, my foot hurts too much.

The ER cannot turn you away in a emergency if you do not have insurance. I am unemployed and don't have health insurance and I still don't have any with Obamacare.

 

[Stegle]

Our health insurance rates went up drastically after they passed obamacare last year and the year before. This is the first time they've actually gone down . The only reason they went down is because they offered the the second "obamacare minimum' as a choice this year. the standard plan is still very expensive. I had to have an ultrasound last month. I fully expect my insurance to refuse to pay. Why not, they were willing to deny me antibiotics when I had pneumonia. If i going to get ripped off for an insurance policy I'd rather it be cheap.

I bought my very first car when I was 49 and that's because my husband pays the rent. I've been to broke to buy a car for most of my life, let alone worry about gas.

So are you saying that just because you're getting ripped off at a cheaper price is a good enough reason to penalize the people who make a decent wage and still will be hurt big time by something that's being forced down our throats? And are you ok with that?
Wait until we all see the crap hit the fan if this goes into effect. Each yearly increase we have seen for years will be peanuts compared to what it will be in the future...if we even have a country left that is! I feel that a revolution is coming as many are just getting plain fed up with our country being trampled on by big government and the idea that they don't work for us anymore.

Ok my rant is done and I wish you the best of luck!!

 

[Petrodus]

Obama Care requires all medical records digitized by 2015.

When that happens you can just kiss any dreams of privacy good-bye
and that doesn't even include what hackers will do with your records and identity.

Per Obama we need to trust the government.

You trust the government to protect and take care of you ... I don't.

Reality is ...
The owners of America will do as they please.

One promise Obama has kept
He has fundamentally changed America

 

[cookiebun]

The ER cannot turn you away in a emergency if you do not have insurance. I am unemployed and don't have health insurance and I still don't have any with Obamacare.

I am not willing to go to the doctor or the emergency room if I have no money. I do not want to have to go bankrupt just to pay for a relatively minor health issue. I only went to the hospital when I broke my leg because it turned all sorts of gruesome colors and my lower leg was as fat as my upper thigh. I don't want to be harassed by bill collectors. My sister died of cancer and she had debts of over $250,000 AFTER her insurance. She died when he sons were 15 and 20. Their dad was already dead. The lovely health care professionals tried to go after HER SONS for her bills.

My current insurance is 70/30 with a 3700 deductible. That's when they actually pay. I got bilked $6000 for a CT Scan in 2008. I ended up paying about $2000. I've paid plenty of extra money over the years because they pad the bills of those with insurance to cover those that don't. This has been going on since the 60's. Look it up. That's why health care costs as much as it does. Yes, I am willing to pay more for mine to cover those who can't pay.

 

[Penner]

The ER cannot turn you away in a emergency if you do not have insurance. I am unemployed and don't have health insurance and I still don't have any with Obamacare.

You got it right: see EMTALA Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[cookiebun]

You got it right: see EMTALA Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That was passed in 1986. It did not exist in 1980 when I broke my foot. It did not exist in 1984 when I broke my leg. It still doesn't address the issue that I did not have the income at that time to pay for treatment without them ruining my credit . It took me over two years to pay for my leg. I was making slightly more than minimum wage. I paid them weekly and they still turned it over to collections because they want ALL their money NOW. They threatened me with collections over the $6000 ct bill as well.

You don't go to Sardis for lunch when you barely have enough money for a McDonalds cheese burger in your pocket. Get it now?

This thread is supposed to be about nicotine and subsidized insurance. Let's get it back to that now please.

 

[rothenbj]

I will agree with you that for some people it seems like a Godsend, my brother included. But there has to be another way to help people like you and not hurt the millions of people that it will affect negatively. My insurance will be roughly an additional $300 a month and I know many who are facing much larger increases! I can't afford that so while it's good for you...you have to understand that for the majority of middle class people, it sucks big time. Can you understand that? I feel for your pain but many others will be forced to either pay all their bills each month or just some so they can also eat and put gas in their car...Do you feel me???

Someone has to pay for all Cookie's broken bones. <jk>. On a more serious note, Cookie, what are you giving up to take that lower level insurance your employer offers? If you'll get the same coverage under either plan, why would anyone pay the higher premiums. I'll assume you're looking at higher deductibles.

The problem with Obamacare is that The middle class premiums have to more expensive to cover those that won't/can't pay their share of the risk being insured against. If the overall cost to insure a population is $200 a month, but 50% of that population is only paying $100 a month, the other 50% will need to be assessed $300 a month.

 

[Mohamed]

Well I'm glad I'm now responsible for someone's foot beside my own.

I'm sorry you didn't have insurance and are in pain...but really how is that my responsibility now. I feel the same way towards the homeless and the starving. I have no problem donating 10-15% of income to charities, churches, etc., but to have the government DEMAND that I give is ridicules. Some years I may only give 5% and others 20%. It depends on my financial situation at the time.

The welfare state has and is ruining this country. Local charities can do a much better job at a fraction of the cost if people are in hard times.

Sorry had to chime in. I'm checking with employer now on tobacco issue but don't think it's an issue as company is covered by a blanket policy.

 

[Petrodus]

Don't like the part of Obama Care that allows vapers to be punished ...
Maybe we should start a White House petition.

NO ... NO ... NO !!
I was just kidding ... Would be a total 100% waste of time.
Obama is in no mood to listen to what we think.

 

[ut1205]

According to the way the ACA is written they can ONLY take a penalty from your tax return. So the simple solution is to pay exactly the amount you need to in taxes and not have a return. Or defer taxes until tax season (if your responsible).

I just hear that the penalty will be taken from your tax return. If sufficient funds are not available from your tax return then it will be automatically deducted from your checking account. Yes, the IRS can seize that along with anything else you own.

 

[Bookworm]

I am so sick of how many threads get turned into anti Obama rants. This was about whether vaping qualifies as tobacco use, not your political opinions.

 

[Petrodus]

I am so sick of how many threads get turned into anti Obama rants. This was about whether vaping qualifies as tobacco use, not your political opinions.

Ya have to admit ... Obama is implicated by association

 

[Mohamed]

Well I'm glad I'm now responsible for someone's foot beside my own.

I'm sorry you didn't have insurance and are in pain...but really how is that my responsibility now. I feel the same way towards the homeless and the starving. I have no problem donating 10-15% of income to charities, churches, etc., but to have the government DEMAND that I give is ridicules. Some years I may only give 5% and others 20%. It depends on my financial situation at the time.

The welfare state has and is ruining this country. Local charities can do a much better job at a fraction of the cost if people are in hard times.

Sorry had to chime in. I'm checking with employer now on tobacco issue but don't think it's an issue as company is covered by a blanket policy.

Well 18% increase here in just 1 year. Tobacco issue doesn't matter as we are still covered under our previous employee survey's. 18% in one year is an affordable care act? Bull ..... I guess my charity givings will more than likely drop next year.

 

[Mohamed]

I am so sick of how many threads get turned into anti Obama rants. This was about whether vaping qualifies as tobacco use, not your political opinions.

The thread is titled "obamacare and vaping?" you don't expect it to get political with the current situation? My family moved here for a reason. Might as well have moved to Russia or Greece at this point.