Odysseus copy

[Kinotto]

my opinion on the copies is very bad, just someone sees a product of genius, talent and success of others who sees the possibility of profit, money, and then copies - steal the idea of others - and places it on the market.
it is not easy to understand the mechanism of production of the gg, even if it imeo with great courtesy he always tried to explain at least in outline. it takes time to produce these wonders and can not be made all the line at the same time.
with patience and thanks to the fantastic opportunities of pre-order in a few months i could have some ggts, odysseus, penelope, ufs.
those who dont took the opportunity will have other occasions with Ithaka, and all that will be.
we have to understand that limited edition produced in greece is a plus in a modern market.
thanks imeo.
thanks imeo.

 

[Kinotto]

imeo but how did you think, conceive and to realize such a thing as ufs?!? but that .. incredible!
i'm enjoying this wonderfull stuff thank of you and it is really great!

 

[mgrigore]

Imeo,

definitely I WILL buy Ithaka... NO doubts about that! I saw the film and I am just waiting for the pre-orders to start. Just bring this soonest. Wise people will buy it. And I will but one for my brother that I have "infected" with GG "virus"... so I will but for him too... But please bring MANY Ithakas on the market.

What I wrote is that people that cannot find GG products will have to look for alternatives, I hope we agree on that. It is normal... If copiers can provide a mass of copies.... people will end up buying these, because they cannot find the ORIGINALS. And the price is not so low as one might expect, as compared to Ody... The german dealer will offer also a large Ody version that could hold 7-8 ml liquid and so on...

The comments at the end of the movie you posted were more or less what I wrote: there are not enough GG products available on the market and the copiers took this opportunity and copied Ody. The solution would be to build more GG products and people will buy it!

Or, what I wrote before in another post, you should come up with new, great ideas very often and copiers will be behind you all the time. You should be the chief designer but let someone else to take care about marketing, production, sales etc. Someone that you TRUST.

But I also understand that finding a GOOD, HONEST person to do all these is sometimes very, very difficult... That reminds me of you greek "friend" that copied GGTS...

 

[mgrigore]

yes, some are getting copies cuz they cant get the real ones. U dont have to agree with me on that cuz it is a fact. i also dont like the copy and dont want to buy them. i am a big gg-fan but i am not a gg only person. GG is my favorite smoke arround. But other company dont sleep and catching up fast.
Since u cant buy one of the gg in shop some people just go buy something else instead.

D3, I totally agree with you on this one. People will get the copies because they cannot get (or afford) the GG.

Most people want to vape with a GOOD atomizer. I started with ego as I did not know about GG when I strted vaping. But I soon learned and bought Pene that I am still using on Provari. This is a very good combination for me. GGTS does not have VV (yet) and I do not have Ody to build a lower resistance. As soon as GGTS would have VV and Ithaka on top, that would be a vapers dream!!! At least mine....

We all should get real. People need a good atty, that's it. As GGs are rare, not all vapers have the time or patience to read ECF GG forum and wait for a long time. Many people want a good atty NOW and not in 3,4,6 months... IF all GG products were available on every e-shop, every time, the decision should be easier.

 

[imeothanasis]

I thank you too Kino for the support and for being an inteligent person. Guys like you deserve the best my friend

my opinion on the copies is very bad, just someone sees a product of genius, talent and success of others who sees the possibility of profit, money, and then copies - steal the idea of others - and places it on the market.
it is not easy to understand the mechanism of production of the gg, even if it imeo with great courtesy he always tried to explain at least in outline. it takes time to produce these wonders and can not be made all the line at the same time.
with patience and thanks to the fantastic opportunities of pre-order in a few months i could have some ggts, odysseus, penelope, ufs.
those who dont took the opportunity will have other occasions with Ithaka, and all that will be.
we have to understand that limited edition produced in greece is a plus in a modern market.
thanks imeo.
thanks imeo.

 

[imeothanasis]

I am very glad that you like UFS Kin, be always well buddy

imeo but how did you think, conceive and to realize such a thing as ufs?!? but that .. incredible!
i'm enjoying this wonderfull stuff thank of you and it is really great!

 

[imeothanasis]

Grigore, thank you for your post.
Thats my plan, to always make new and better products and thats why copiers are always behind me. I really want to see who will buy all those copies when Ithaka comes to market. Copying GG series is not a very smart idea as you see

Greeks are Greeks. I stopped posting on Greek forum a long time ago because too many bad people were around. The real Greeks are on ecf and on GG Greek threads.

Imeo,

definitely I WILL BUY Ithaka... NO doubts about that! I saw the film and I am just waiting for the pre-orders to start. Just bring this soonest. Wise people will buy it. And I will but one for my brother that I have "infected" with GG "virus"... so I will but for him too... But please bring MANY Ithakas on the market.

What I wrote is that people that cannot find GG products will have to look for alternatives, I hope we agree on that. It is normal... If copiers can provide a mass of copies.... people will end up buying these, because they cannot find the ORIGINALS. And the price is not so low as one might expect, as compared to Ody... The german dealer will offer also a large Ody version that could hold 7-8 ml liquid and so on...

The comments at the end of the movie you posted were more or less what I wrote: there are not enough GG products available on the market and the copiers took this opportunity and copied Ody. The solution would be to build more GG products and people will BUY it!

Or, what I wrote before in another post, you should come up with new, great ideas very often and copiers will be behind you all the time. You should be the chief designer but let someone else to take care about marketing, production, sales etc. Someone that you TRUST.

But I also understand that finding a GOOD, HONEST person to do all these is sometimes very, very difficult... That reminds me of you greek "friend" that copied GGTS...

 

[mgrigore]

my opinion on the copies is very bad, just someone sees a product of genius, talent and success of others who sees the possibility of profit, money, and then copies - steal the idea of others - and places it on the market.
it is not easy to understand the mechanism of production of the gg, even if it imeo with great courtesy he always tried to explain at least in outline. it takes time to produce these wonders and can not be made all the line at the same time.
with patience and thanks to the fantastic opportunities of pre-order in a few months i could have some ggts, odysseus, penelope, ufs.
those who dont took the opportunity will have other occasions with Ithaka, and all that will be.
we have to understand that limited edition produced in greece is a plus in a modern market.
thanks imeo.
thanks imeo.

I do not approve copiers at all and I agree the talent and genius should get what they deserve. However, do not forget that a CNC in Greece is the same as a CNC in another land. Sure copiers have an easiy task.

I want to buy GG products and so do other people all over the world that know and appreciate these. But this is not always easy and exactly this is used by copiers.

Never underestimate the copiers. Navy_Lifeguard's comments were not so negative as you think, the quality of that copy was not so bad as you might think. There is a big danger that many of the customers might buy the copies, because there are not enough GG products available! Do not blame the customers for this, that would be wrong.

 

[Aron Gatt]

First of all this is nothing against someone , these are just moral principles and opinions , which I stated where my stands... So if I am understanding well with this :
What I wrote is that people that cannot find GG products will have to look for alternatives, I hope we agree on that. It is normal... If copiers can provide a mass of copies.... people will end up buying these, because they cannot find the ORIGINALS. And the price is not so low as one might expect, as compared to Ody... The german dealer will offer also a large Ody version that could hold 7-8 ml liquid and so on...

This copy is going to be priced 70/80 % of the KING ODDY ...... That for me is ridiculous IMO , I would never think of buying a copy , much more that is priced same or 10% lower then the original.


Anyways ... Let's all wait for the REAL STUFF

 

[unloaded]

The only thing that surprises me about this is that it's taken as long as it has. They've watched for quite a while as we've all stood in line or raced to the Check Out page, trying to spend our money on these items and not being able to. It's like waving a fat wallet around in front of a pickpocket. It's been happening for a while with other attys. I think they started with the least complicated ones and if they made money moved up to the next level. They've finally made their way up to the Ody level. I think if they'd reached a point anywhere along the way where they didn't make money they would have stopped there without trying the next, more complicated one. This tells me they've sold lots of them at each stage and I expect they will with these too. I don't think it will hurt GG sales though because I think these are two markets that don't overlap much. It sucks, but it was bound to happen.

Edit: I'd be careful about previewing upcoming items. They might get quick enough to run with the info given and beat you to the market!

 

[knut]

Problems I see.

No production.
No Items available for months, months...more....

Good products but...can not buy it.

Big problem id you lie it.


I'm a perfeccionist person but sometimes more than a year for change the doors is too much.
¿I need good doors or perfect, the best, much perfect doors in the world?


No matter the money.
For me is more important not stop my life because an extremely perfection.


For you is preferent the most perfect pieces but this is not important front ....never have anything. Good, peerfect, not so perfect...


Never is anything Imeo's production to buy.

I think is not the way to have costumers happy.

Coca-cola will perhaps wish the best coca-cola improvement but if for 3 years stop selling any other kind of coca-cola products perhaps Pepsi or another enterprise gates the market




One more thing.

Last videos.
Marekting is relevant.
Perhaps vaping world seems to be an apart world of the rets of the world of selling things. But I think is not different.

No good marketing the last two videos.
Angri.
Not shaved.
With clothes to go to bed in five minutes.
Back of the video pelnty of things like at my home before clean day.



Perhaps "the enemy" is not who copy an item.



There is only one time to do a first impression.



But sure you know about that much more than me.

 

[imeothanasis]

I agree with you unloaded and especially with your last paragraph, thats why I dont give any info about Achilles

 

[imeothanasis]

knut

GG products are available in certain quantities, so if someone wants to buy copies he is free to do it

Its not that I am a strange person, its that others are not professionals, thats why I cant make my doors. You understand my post incorectly

I keep my customers more happy than you think. But I keep happy GG customers, not the potensial GG customers because I cant do it and not because I dont want to do it

Coca will lose the market if they dont produce their stuff. But they will not lose it if they update their product and thats what I am doing and thats why market follows GG products. Not the previous but the new ones. If you want to buy an outdated product then you can do it, not a problem

As for the last videos, I dont need to be shaved or wear nice clothes. Product speaks of itself. People gets shaved or they need nice clothes when they want to hide what is inside them or give nice impressions for themselves or for a product that is not working as they say. You know that I dont have this problem with GG series.

As for clothes, they are the clothes that I wear everyday, they are not nightclothes. Maybe you got confused by the design
Also people dont expect to see me on nice clothes, they need to see what I am presenting to them

The enemy are the copiers and only them knut. Its like you say that thiefs are not the enemy. And if you mean that enemy is me then you are the person that gets impressed by the presentation and not by product. Its not the right way of thinking to my opinion. I dont like nice boxes, I like what is inside. Box will go to garbage in 1/2 hour, the inside will stay with me for a life

I am just answering your questions, I dont want to beat you in any way

 

[RiverNut]

I could see marketing a new line of GG clothing ..."IMEO"

I personally couldn't give a crap if you did your videos right after you crawled out of bed (sometimes I wonder )

No where that I've seen can you get more real, personal service than with Imeo. And to be able to follow his tireless mind in his search for an ever improving vape is not only a major plus for me but also one of the reasons I feel so loyal to him and his creations.

 

[Aron Gatt]

@ knut

We are vapers .. We don't look for GILLETTE &. VERSACE ..we want the best Vape there is !! And till now I have found it with GG !! An engineer Imeo is ... Not an actor .....

What you are telling is to cover a lemon with sugar !! Presentation lol ...the presentation and marketing was there ! But you missed it ... It was ITHAKA & ACHILLES .

 

[imeothanasis]

Thanks River. And I assure you that I never do videos after I crawl out of bed because I cant speak even Greek that time

I could see marketing a new line of GG clothing ..."IMEO"

I personally couldn't give a crap if you did your videos right after you crawled out of bed (sometimes I wonder )

No where that I've seen can you get more real, personal service than with Imeo. And to be able to follow his tireless mind in his search for an ever improving vape is not only a major plus for me but also one of the reasons I feel so loyal to him and his creations.

 

[imeothanasis]

That is a great post Aron

@ knut

We are vapers .. We don't look for GILLETTE &. VERSACE ..we want the best Vape there is !! And till now I have found it with GG !! An engineer Imeo is ... Not an actor .....

What you are telling is to cover a lemon with sugar !! Presentation lol ...the presentation and marketing was there ! But you missed it ... It was ITHAKA & ACHILLES .

 

[=MASHEENZ=]

In the future mod design will be tested in mortal combat!

 

[vaporeta]

Lucky you is you were able to find good vaping in GG products. I´ve been looking for a Penelope for quite a long time and the only possibility for me is buying a second hand one in an action and of course double price than the original. The only answer to my questions about when will penelope be sold again is a "who knows" answer.
I understand Knut giving his opinion about images in videos. I also like good products better than image, but much better if one gets the two things.

 

[vaporeta]

I would like to buy GGs original products but I agree with Knut. If I am not able to buy one if it it is not a second hand at a double price, I´ll probably buy a copy. And I suppose a lot of people will do the same. I don´t like buying copies if I can buy the original but, in this case, buying the original is nearly an "odyssey"