@vaporeta Buying GGs are not as hard as you think. Get yourself verified to have access to the ECF classifieds section. There are always GGs to buy there at very reasonable prices. When I say reasonable, they do sell used at a premium but never double the brand new price.
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Well, now I have seen everything. A person who is critiquing Imeo's clothing and his housekeeper! Imeo knows that we do not care if he has just shaved and we do not care if he is all dolled up for us. We love him the way he is, REAL! He is a real person and works damned hard. Hours he does not have to primp for the camera so we can look at him and say, "what a sharp looking guy." He is a nice looking guy and does not even have to worry about those silly things. What we DO want to see is his wonderful, magical inventions that we have been waiting for. Yes, we have been waiting for them, because they are very special and not thrown off a conveyer belt like so many gadgets are. My goodness, this makes me crazy to see that some people actually think about those things. GG customers do NOT!
I better quit now before I get upset.
Morri
I better quit now before I get upset.
Morri
I would like to buy GGs original products but I agree with Knut. If I am not able to buy one if it it is not a second hand at a double price, I´ll probably buy a copy. And I suppose a lot of people will do the same. I don´t like buying copies if I can buy the original but, in this case, buying the original is nearly an "odyssey"
Well go ahead and Vape on a copy then ! Make the math : for example ok : oddy retail €90 and of the classies € 150+ ok .. So who bought paid Around 70% more ok "for a product that will only go up" .
Now
Buying the KING copy €70-90 " I heard is the price for it" so you are going to pay 90/100 % the price of the original ok.
After you bought it "straight away" how the way market goes is second hand and available ! So you will lose 30% of it straight away and the fact that is a cheap copy you will lose another 30% of it "copies don't hold value".
So now you are down to 60% loss on the retail price ..before even started vaping it ok.
Now put ware&tare on it too if you dicied to sell you will lose 10% maybe more, depends on how bad it is" ok
That's 70%
So you will be par with what you would have paid to get one from the classes for the real thing ! "in loss I mean"
But with a difference a HUGE one really " YOU WILL HAVE A Copy " instead of the real ODDY ! You will have an ice cube that melts and melts..
Sometimes we have to reason things in a hole different perspective then that we see at that moment in time ...
Look at iatty ... Imeo updated his vision with oddy & penny and more to come ... And iatty still hold 70% value on TOP of its retail ! And it will exceed. 100+% soon ... Cos it will be a very rear item....
Make the math my friend ... And don't let them steal your money !! invested instead !!
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The (un)availability of original GG Items is, in my opinion, only a partial problem.
The Items will be cloned even if they will be always available.
The only differences will be (probably) the cost of clones, that would be lower.
But this kind of war is lost at beginning, because of cloners have not to spend
time and money to think and develop ideas about anything.
They spend their time only to understand what is good to be cloned,
in terms of success of sales and easiness to clone.
And, unfortunately, mechanical objects are easy to clone (because nothing is hidden),
potentially with even better built quality than the original,
as the cloner does not have the developer costs, which affect instead the true developer,
that must live and eat even when he think, not only when he sell.
The Items will be cloned even if they will be always available.
The only differences will be (probably) the cost of clones, that would be lower.
But this kind of war is lost at beginning, because of cloners have not to spend
time and money to think and develop ideas about anything.
They spend their time only to understand what is good to be cloned,
in terms of success of sales and easiness to clone.
And, unfortunately, mechanical objects are easy to clone (because nothing is hidden),
potentially with even better built quality than the original,
as the cloner does not have the developer costs, which affect instead the true developer,
that must live and eat even when he think, not only when he sell.
In my opinion it´s completely all the same if there is a clone or not... It´s a VERSION ONE clone !!! When somebody want´s a V1 (which IS OUT OF BUILD and mostly not to get in the classifieds) then let him buy that thing...
Everybody who is concerned about that thing could wait for the pre-sale of IHTAKA to get a far better version of that atomizer.
No need to open the CLONE WARS now...
May the force will with you - always !!!
Cheers
Llyrana
Everybody who is concerned about that thing could wait for the pre-sale of IHTAKA to get a far better version of that atomizer.
No need to open the CLONE WARS now...
May the force will with you - always !!!
Cheers
Llyrana
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Imeo's appearance has never concerned me in any way, if any thing he's fascinating to watch. He presents himself naturally and carefully describes his device, upgrade, or technic for the viewer's introduction to it.
Imeo has hit so many home runs, no one can compete. Suggesting that he isn't making every effort is crazy.
As Imeo said, there can not be copies with out an original. The GG originals that Imeo produces are top shelf originals that he continues to make better. When you purchase a V1 Ody it works just as well as V2, minus the improvements, that's why his stuff is premium top shelf all day long. Copiers can only try to imitate the better GG premium product, but will never match it.
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Imeo has hit so many home runs, no one can compete. Suggesting that he isn't making every effort is crazy.
As Imeo said, there can not be copies with out an original. The GG originals that Imeo produces are top shelf originals that he continues to make better. When you purchase a V1 Ody it works just as well as V2, minus the improvements, that's why his stuff is premium top shelf all day long. Copiers can only try to imitate the better GG premium product, but will never match it.
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For the people who buy the imitation will always want the real thing and the copies will just strengthen the original in value and sales.
Come on now , have you ever had bacon ? and love it , well turkey bacon is not even close. Like real crab meat or the atifisial crab meat===LOL. Not even close , but it makes you appreciate the real thing more !.
To me some of this cloning is just like (counterfeiting) and should not be worth anything , but if you don't spend thousands of $ copywriting and patenting and , waiting months to years to get approved to (protect your product) , people copy , and clone/counterfeit off your products with no penalty.
Well now that I vented my pressure , I feel a little better ! LOL
Best Wishes to All .............
Come on now , have you ever had bacon ? and love it , well turkey bacon is not even close. Like real crab meat or the atifisial crab meat===LOL. Not even close , but it makes you appreciate the real thing more !.
To me some of this cloning is just like (counterfeiting) and should not be worth anything , but if you don't spend thousands of $ copywriting and patenting and , waiting months to years to get approved to (protect your product) , people copy , and clone/counterfeit off your products with no penalty.
Well now that I vented my pressure , I feel a little better ! LOL
Best Wishes to All .............
knut
GG products are available in certain quantities, so if someone wants to buy copies he is free to do it
Its not that I am a strange person, its that others are not professionals, thats why I cant make my doors. You understand my post incorectly
I keep my customers more happy than you think. But I keep happy GG customers, not the potensial GG customers because I cant do it and not because I dont want to do it
Coca will lose the market if they dont produce their stuff. But they will not lose it if they update their product and thats what I am doing and thats why market follows GG products. Not the previous but the new ones. If you want to buy an outdated product then you can do it, not a problem
As for the last videos, I dont need to be shaved or wear nice clothes. Product speaks of itself. People gets shaved or they need nice clothes when they want to hide what is inside them or give nice impressions for themselves or for a product that is not working as they say. You know that I dont have this problem with GG series.
As for clothes, they are the clothes that I wear everyday, they are not nightclothes. Maybe you got confused by the design
Also people dont expect to see me on nice clothes, they need to see what I am presenting to them
The enemy are the copiers and only them knut. Its like you say that thiefs are not the enemy. And if you mean that enemy is me then you are the person that gets impressed by the presentation and not by product. Its not the right way of thinking to my opinion. I dont like nice boxes, I like what is inside. Box will go to garbage in 1/2 hour, the inside will stay with me for a life
I am just answering your questions, I dont want to beat you in any way
If I understand ok....this is an old product (Oddy)
Then is not ineteresting yet for many people.
Then....is not mucha a problem to buy a copy.
For the maker has no interest. No more production (perhaps).
¿Where is the problem to buy an actual copy from a product that Nikon (for example) don't want to do anymore?
They stop making the FM2 lots of years ago but so many people want it and Nikon make again FM2 cameras.
But if is not interesting for them and there is a copy....I buy the copy.
I can pay 3 times the price of an original but I don't want.
I like nice boxes. The things inside. The things well made and with good presentation. Details are important.
I like nice videos or worked videos like Svoemesto make. I can see the product. All the product. Inside. Out. And understand how it works.
When you go to a good restaurant you like the presentation.
At last is only food but I prefer eat this food with a good image.
At home I eat it anyway. Is not a "product". And I eat it perhaps without clothes in summer but I go to a restaurant with a minimun good aspect.
No doubt about the image or the box is not the Oddy and me too prefers it works OK than is nice and don't works but I'm not a fan of anybody and any modder or atty, mod...is my religion.
I have Hellfires. Works great but it seems that if you say something negative about....in UK fan-people comes offend.
Ops !!
Too much important is I like the product but is not my religion and I can say that theres is brass inside the atty?
I like Penelope, Stealh, alluminium GGTB no. I'm sorry. I had one long time ago.
Difficult for me to understand mythomaniac position in ever item in live.
knut, you forgot that you dont go to a nice restaurant to eat, you go for other reasons. Am I right?
If you dont buy GG because of the presentation then you will get stuck with lower quality mods always. Also, your social status and/or your vaping pleasure by keeping a GG depends on my presentations? If you think better you will see how wrong is your thought
Dont pay attention to me, just look at the product and you will be the happiest in the world
If you dont buy GG because of the presentation then you will get stuck with lower quality mods always. Also, your social status and/or your vaping pleasure by keeping a GG depends on my presentations? If you think better you will see how wrong is your thought
Dont pay attention to me, just look at the product and you will be the happiest in the world
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One thing about Imeo, he's not competing to make a better genny or hybrid. If he did, it would raise the bar even further. Maybe Imeo should stop creating and start improving copies, like so many modder's already do. Imeo would have more time to produce product much faster, and just wait for the next cool thing to work on. The genny's I've tried don't compare in ingenuity, originality, function, appearance, nor value, and they tend to be finicky and fiddly. Imeo's GG's are worth the wait, and the money.
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I know I am
And I'm not a FAN boy ...but I'm becoming one " Penelope in my hand best Vape ever "That´s not my experience. I´m European so I have being looking for them at a German auction page where you can find them (not always) . The price is around double the original and we don´t have to forget they are not new, they are second hand. I wouldn´t call it reasonable.
There is a funny thing about your message: why are you talking in plural? You talk as if you were giving everybody´s opinion or the opinion of every GG customers when you are supposed to be just expressing yours, aren´t you?
As far as I am concerned I can´t love the way Imeo is as I don´t know him personally. Of course I do respect and even admire his work, but respecting his work has nothing to do with loving him or not being able to give a sincere opinion.
I´ve been told his products are absolutely fantastic and I´m sure they are, but I know for my own experience that the way he markets them is not so good and that is probably one of the reasons why people think about buying copies.
Thanks very much for that Maths lesson but vaping for me is not a question of investing, reselling things or making a good deal.
I just try to be far away from tobacco through vaping and I´ll try to do it with the best stuff I can reasonably get I don´t mind who sells it, Chinese, Greek or European but I want to buy products in shops and not second hand , is it s strange?
I dont want to pay for second hand products as if they were much more than new and, of course, I don´t mind if someone does the perfect stuff if he is unable to produce and sell it. In my opinion: If products are not available are not good for a lot of people. I am not a collector of rare things I´m just a vaper who wants to buy a product on an easy way and I´m not devoted to anyone. If a person is unable to sell something I understand people looking for somebody else who is able to do it.
but vaping for me is not a question of investing, reselling things or making a good deal. I just try to be far away from tobacco through vaping and I´ll try to do it with the best stuff I can reasonably get I don´t mind who sells it, Chinese, Greek or European but I want to buy products in shops and not second hand , is it s strange?
I dont want to pay for second hand products as if they were much more than new and, of course, I don´t mind if someone does the perfect stuff if he is unable to produce and sell it. In my opinion: If products are not available are not good for a lot of people. I am not a collector of rare things I´m just a vaper who wants to buy a product on an easy way and I´m not devoted to anyone. If a person is unable to sell something I understand people looking for somebody else who is able to do it.
vapor, you just said it by yourself that you want to buy the best. GG is the best so you have to wait for it
Second hand GGs are still better than China copies, so you have to wait
You buy copies of GG products. Not good for anyone, so again you have to wait
Second hand GGs are still better than China copies, so you have to wait
You buy copies of GG products. Not good for anyone, so again you have to wait
Oupss, I had forgot that Aron!
I dressed like this because Greek seller had asked me to do that. I still believe that it had no impact to Ody sales. Penelope sales went better even if I didnt make a video like this
I dressed like this because Greek seller had asked me to do that. I still believe that it had no impact to Ody sales. Penelope sales went better even if I didnt make a video like this
how about that for
It's all ur fault Imeo , you shouldn't have dressed like that.
what i do not understand is why vaporeta a time like this, very happy because is just been handed the preorder of ggts (brass and SS) and ufs can be some source comments to say the least depression.
the mistake that many make is to not immediately take advantage of the perfect system of imeo preorder, instead of doing a good supply of what they like some people are undecided and want to wait until when there is something for them .. wake up! you have to understand that the ideas of imeo go forward not backward, as its products.
imeo made us the courtesy of supplying the existing customers of parts of things "passed away" (a euphemism, they are unique and unsurpassable) and now the production, inevitably, moves to Ithaka and Achilles: the best of what has already been produced with further innovations.
you have just not lose the magic train of the preorder and the party begins.
mass production of golden greek only the Chinese can do it, that debase the intellectual property and just because you and some other latecomer want to decide weekly whether to clik "buy" on a shop online in the same mode for any china junk seems to me a claim too much...
the mistake that many make is to not immediately take advantage of the perfect system of imeo preorder, instead of doing a good supply of what they like some people are undecided and want to wait until when there is something for them .. wake up! you have to understand that the ideas of imeo go forward not backward, as its products.
imeo made us the courtesy of supplying the existing customers of parts of things "passed away" (a euphemism, they are unique and unsurpassable) and now the production, inevitably, moves to Ithaka and Achilles: the best of what has already been produced with further innovations.
you have just not lose the magic train of the preorder and the party begins.
mass production of golden greek only the Chinese can do it, that debase the intellectual property and just because you and some other latecomer want to decide weekly whether to clik "buy" on a shop online in the same mode for any china junk seems to me a claim too much...
Is the products that count Imeo ! No need of a tie with me .... It's your Penelope that makes any juice I try taste much much much better .... Wow now I understand Imeo ...what a great Vape man.
I have to say thank you again.
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