Of vaping – and sugar – and why emotions are boiling hot.

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Eskie

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I really like Pepsi. I could easily drink a 2L bottle a day. You don't see any problem with that, after 50 years or so?

Far be it for me to advise you on your dietary choices. If you have no desire to avoid excessive weight gain, 2L a day of Pepsi should be fine. Of course, if Pepsi were the only caloric intake you used, you wouldn't even have to worry about that.
 

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I BBQ with hardwood lump charcoal A LOT. No kidding either. It is scientifically proven to add "carcinogens" to food. Do I care? Nope. I'll gladly shave a few years off my life in exchange for a lifetime of delicious hardwood smoke infused steaks, chickens, pork butts, legs of lamb, and fine filets of fish. I like vaping as I tend to the grill as well. And beer. Hmmm...I just got hungry and thirsty at the same time.
 

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I BBQ with hardwood lump charcoal A LOT. No kidding either. It is scientifically proven to add "carcinogens" to food. Do I care? Nope. I'll gladly shave a few years off my life in exchange for a lifetime of delicious hardwood smoke infused steaks, chickens, pork butts, legs of lamb, and fine filets of fish. I like vaping as I tend to the grill as well. And beer. Hmmm...I just got hungry and thirsty at the same time.

You had to post this right when I'm sitting here considering what to make for dinner.;)

Hey, I'd give up a few years for that too. Just wish I could pick which years out myself.
 

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Sugar is an inflammatory food as are many foods like corn etc. If you have an inflammatory condition best to avoid sugar. I have limited my sugar greatly since I have bursitis, you can even grow stevia and sugar safe substitute! Hopefully growing stevia is not contraband LOL!
 

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Sugar is an inflammatory food as are many foods like corn etc. If you have an inflammatory condition best to avoid sugar. I have limited my sugar greatly since I have bursitis, you can even grow stevia and sugar safe substitute! Hopefully growing stevia is not contraband LOL!

As long as you don't vape it.
 

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Just for the record, this is why I *HATE* the idea of "harm reduction"...

In @Jessica99 's Nothing About Us. Without Us. (Title Edited) thread, is a link to the following article, from the Annals of Family Medicine ...

Should Clinicians Recommend E-cigarettes to Their Patients Who Smoke? No.

In it, a physician argues that if NRT's don't work, a patient is far better off continuing to smoke than vape. Yes, folks, it is now official. Vaping is worse than smoking. They probably got that idea reading what the Truly Devout here think about vaping safety, but I digress... anyway, here is a very disturbing statement in that article....

"Finally, the ethical duty of medicine is to do no harm. Jumping from the 10th floor of a burning building rather than the 15th floor offers no real benefit. "

Even worse, the good Doctor goes on to threaten the idea of legal tort action should a physician be foolish enough to recommend vaping to a patient. Yes, he wants to make it illegal to recommend vaping. Or at the least financial death and destruction. Oh, he was paid $500,000 over the past few years by Pfizer, maker of Chantix, but that's just coincidental I guess. Here's a thought... years ago over 600 people were tabulated to have committed suicide by taking Chantix. I wonder how many jumped and what floors they jumped from?

As an aside, when I first heard the term "Harm Reduction" I thought of exactly the same analogy, and even the same floors, since I happen to live on the 15th floor of a building. But I certainly never published it. I did always want to mention it here when the opportunity came up. So here it is, and blessed by the Annals of Family Medicine.

This is the inevitable result when you talk about "harm reduction" without carefully specifying that there actually is no known harm.
 

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Diabetes Myths

then again, maybe you believe the American Diabetes Association is a shifty lobbyist group funded by Coke O'Cola.
I really did not want to derail this thread on the subject of sugar and diabetes. My point was that we have some pretty terrible problems in our food chain, and some of the causes are quite uncertain, which I find scary. Vaping risks pales in comparison to issues in any and all our foods, sugar just being one of the more controversial. However, since you seemed to diss my assertion that excessive sugar is related to diabetes, based on a link of "Diabetes Myths", I have to call you on it. I'm a stickler for facts. Here is some key paraphrasing from that link:

Myth: Eating too much sugar causes diabetes.

Fact: The answer is not so simple....


Research has shown that drinking sugary drinks is linked to type 2 diabetes.


So... first they suggest it's a myth, but wait... it's not so simple... and then acknowledge that, yes, sugar is associated with diabetes. That's called "Tap Dancing".

And as I said before, I don't trust any politicized "science". But beyond that, I no longer have any faith in any of the "American {medical something} Associations. Not after the butcher job they have all, collectively, done on vaping. All in the name of money and/or pure ideology. And previously I quoted details of a physician likening vaping to jumping from a 10 story window (interestingly a physician getting big bux from Pfeizer, maker of Chantix, so he's probably an expert on people jumping from buildings). Just because the subject changes to diabetes and sugar does not make politics go away and the sugar and processed foods industries are BIG politics.

So I'm not sure why you posted that link as evidence unless you didn't think I'd read it....
 

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Even seemingly harmless substances can be harmful or fatal if overdone.

Drinking too much water in a short time can cause death. Good-for-you herbs and/or vitamins aren't helpful if used recklessly.

Eat REAL food from the produce section (or grow your own, if possible), try to avoid as much stress as possible, get good sleep, work your muscles on a daily basis.

BTW, much of the problem with sugar is that it is refined--no minerals left in it after the refining process. It's just sweet, nothing there to sustain life. That's where molasses comes in--molasses is the leftover product with the minerals. Yeah, it's stong-tasting, but it's better than pure sugar.

JMO, of course.
 

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Life is about choices, every choice we make will affect us in some way. Where we live can affect how long we live, what we drink can, what we eat can. We can't beat death, but we can live happy before it. I myself love nicotine, and love the way smoking feels. I also love drinking a Miller Lite (usually a 6 pack) after a hard day of working, will it eventually kill me? Yep, but I don't care because it's my choice to live happy. Just like someone who weighs 500 LB and eats Big Macs.
 

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Why emotions are boiling hot? Taxpayer funded legislation based on ideology. Ideology should never have been given over to governmental bodies to regulate, the Family Smoking and Tobacco prevention laws are patently unconstitutional and never should have been enacted, they should be struck from the books and the ONLY power to combat these things should be via education and public awareness campaigns. Tobacco control should be removed from the FDA's grasp, as they clearly have shown an inability to actually regulate these things, although to be fair, they were never granted the power they would need to affect any real change, so they see vaping emerge as a new threat to re-normalize "smoking", because vaping "looks" like smoking, so they enact a wall so high as no one can climb it to block this new threat. Obviously the regs read like a defacto ban, because the cost and complexity of compliance is all but impossible. But in the end, it suits their twisted ideology. They are fighting something they don't want to understand, because it is distasteful to them on some primal level. These people should be fired immediately and replaced with people who actually care about science, human health, and common sense.
 

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Sugar is an inflammatory food as are many foods like corn etc. If you have an inflammatory condition best to avoid sugar. I have limited my sugar greatly since I have bursitis, you can even grow stevia and sugar safe substitute! Hopefully growing stevia is not contraband LOL!

It was contraband. It was available through the grey market for years before hitting the shelves. The only way to get it was with a Label: for research, not for human consumption. Some folks at the FDA fought hard to keep it off the market.
 
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