I know when I need to put more drips into mine since the 357 has a slight bubbling/gurgle noise when you start to inhale. If it isnt there, I juice up. It is a good indicator.
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yeah I remember the vid Hanna put up about how to start up with getting some gurgling and knowing the wicking area is full and then taking a hard enough pull to get the juice to the coil.....
I am like an old dog; i do it the way i'm used to and I've been dripping throughout 90% of my vaping career.
Last night i got up in the middle of the night and took a vape in the dark on my LB LR 1.5 with a clear Pyrex D/T... my PV had no LED on for the button but it was glowing red down in the business area. This happens when i just pick it up and vape; to see if there's any juice in it.
I got vapor, but it was dry burning to beat the band.
I figure if i do that off and on all day in the daylight, not seeing the glow, or using a PV with LED glow anyway which obscures the red glow, I'm not using the best system.
That's why a b/f or a tank would be ideal for me....
Any updates on the Tank would be so great.
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I hate having to wait so long for the next post in here, like there has to be way more 357 users, why aren't they in this thread talking with me??
I would try a pyrex tip, but generally don't like how they look. I like a nice streamlined look. Like right now I have a blue aluminum whistle tip, I don't really mind taking it off to drip. I also don't like the huge wide mouth tips, they feel too airy. I want to get some t tips from super t manuf, they look like super quality, with a supposedly huge drip hole. The whistle tip drip version looks sweet. Although I generally prefer acrylic or Deleon tops, the long barrel and metal tips works for me."""
I know lots of vapers that are on other threads all the time and they love 357's.
For me it's been a game changer after 2 years of dripping and not being satisfied with the flavor and vapor.
It's no longer about the APV because that is just a power delivery device; the main factor is the atomizer (or carto or tank or rebuildable atty).
The best, most expensive APV teamed with a conventional atomizer will or even the rebuildables, imo will not be as good.
I believe it's a matter of 3 things; why there's not more posts here.
1. cost... $
2. They're just so good, that those that love them will not worry about 'em and just go have fun with other items on the ecf
3. Dripping is not the easiest thing to master, and i think it takes some skill to get used to, and the 357 is a little different too. Telling a newb to get a 357 is something i do only after they have spent some time learning the art.
I hate having to wait so long for the next post in here, like there has to be way more 357 users, why aren't they in this thread talking with me??
I would try a pyrex tip, but generally don't like how they look. I like a nice streamlined look. Like right now I have a blue aluminum whistle tip, I don't really mind taking it off to drip. I also don't like the huge wide mouth tips, they feel too airy. I want to get some t tips from super t manuf, they look like super quality, with a supposedly huge drip hole. The whistle tip drip version looks sweet. Although I generally prefer acrylic or Deleon tops, the long barrel and metal tips works for me."""
I know lots of vapers that are on other threads all the time and they love 357's.
For me it's been a game changer after 2 years of dripping and not being satisfied with the flavor and vapor.
It's no longer about the APV because that is just a power delivery device; the main factor is the atomizer (or carto or tank or rebuildable atty).
The best, most expensive APV teamed with a conventional atomizer will or even the rebuildables, imo will not be as good.
I believe it's a matter of 3 things; why there's not more posts here.
1. cost... $
2. They're just so good, that those that love them will not worry about 'em and just go have fun with other items on the ecf
3. Dripping is not the easiest thing to master, and i think it takes some skill to get used to, and the 357 is a little different too. Telling a newb to get a 357 is something i do only after they have spent some time learning the art.
My guess would be that since your so particular about keeping a minimum level of juice in your atty, an atty tank might not work the way you want it. From what I understand, you don't really have much control of how much juice is allowed into the atty. I would think that it would run more on the flooded-side, but I'm not sure. There is a reactor tank I think its called- umm trying to remember where I saw it. Oh I think it was Nhaler?
I have a question, and not trying to sound like a ...., but why don't you just drip more? Lol I notice the taste dropping off a few puffs before I get even a slightly dry puff, so at that point I would add 2-3 more. I have squeezed the bottle too hard and added 5 before, and it still works great(for me at least).
Excellent points- I would say I like to come here just to talk about my favorite atty, not necessarily for problems and such. With the exception of earlier in the thread where I was having the SB HH not really performing great, and got some tips.
I love the point about it not being about the PV- I think that is so true. So many threads are about 'what is the best PV'- as long as they hold a battery, have a switch to activate said battery, and hold your atty/carto/whatever, its all the same. Its the atty/carto that makes it good or bad.
Non leaky juice delivery system is as big of a deal breaker for me. Love my REOs just a teeny bit more than my HH.357s-- awesome combo though.
Juice control; Yeah, but i'm game for anything that Hanna puts out from here on. Good point though.
I usually find that the best vapes are just before it runs too low.
Just a tad "too much" and vapor's a bit scrawny and juice coming up with the vaper.
I'd wager if i reviewed his technique vid again I'd get some good results.
I was going to say but forgot; some use VV's with the 357 just so they can up the voltage when there is more juice and lower when it gets less.
I have found really good vaping on the 1.5 Ohm with an eGo or standard 3.7 mod (like Reo) and like to think that's all you really need for great vaping. Helps keep the overall costs down.
Agree on the just before low is the best, one of the things you have to master for longevity.
I know I've hyped the Universal drip tip already and should really stop, but with one on you can flood the crap out of the HH.357, take a huge long drag until vapor is formed, all without any juice in your mouth. It's HH.357 vaping for Dummies. I've got 2 going from Feb/Mar, all I use, still vaping great.
I disagree with the APV not being important when it comes to the 357.... I have a Vmod XL, 3.7V box mod, and an eGo 650mAh. The only device that it will sometimes work on in any positive manner is the eGo for some reason. The other 2 devices there is less than 50% the vapor output and virtually no taste. I have tried the cleanings, blowing it out after it gets flooded, and a few others and it still doesn't perform on anything but the eGo, (and that is only when the eGo has a full charge). I even contacted Avid and Hanna about it and was told it wasn't a defective unit because it worked most of the time on the eGo!!! I was curious even about that as according to the disclaimer on the site, you aren't supposed to use it on an eGo... Basically I have just chalked it up to, it was an ok experiment and it is in the box of used items that will probably get thrown away someday.
I have been using Avid atty's pretty much exclusively now for the past year and I like the Aero, (works great on all devices and is consistent), and my #1 atty is the Cisco spec LR306 1.5ohm... It blows clouds of vapor and makes the juice come to life no matter which device as well... I will also add, I can use it for 3+ months of good use, (and that's without cleaning), and I always have a consistent enjoyable vape.... I also have recently tried the Vapage Hybrid LR 1.5ohm and the IKV LR510 1.5ohm, (purchased this due to IO6 not being available w/ drip tip), and they are ok as well on all my devices. Just not as consistent as the Cisco spec LR306.... They both in fact perform better than the 357, even on the eGo!!!!!
I really haven't had a positive experience with the 357 at all and I have a suspicion the vaping community in whole may have had the same, and that I feel is the reason this forum post has such little traffic... The original HH357 post had almost 100 pages in the same time frame as this one and it only has 22 pages so far... I am not trying to put the 357 down in any way shape of form, but it just didn't cut it for all the hype it received in the beginning and especially for the $25 price tag!!! I can almost purchase 3 Cisco spec LR306's for that price and I know what the performance is going to be already and it doesn't matter what I vape it on, I know it will work.... Maybe my expectations were too high to begin with? This is what has kept me from getting the AVA atty that everyone raves about also. I just can't see paying almost $50 only to be dissatisfied again!!! I am into the idea of trying new things, but they only get one chance to get it right the first time around or it's not even considered again... I'm not into this to just be throwing my money away... I'm way past that point in my vaping journey...
Please keep in mind that these are my opinions and mine alone.........
I have been using Avid atty's pretty much exclusively now for the past year and I like the Aero, (works great on all devices and is consistent), and my #1 atty is the Cisco spec LR306 1.5ohm... It blows clouds of vapor and makes the juice come to life no matter which device as well... I will also add, I can use it for 3+ months of good use, (and that's without cleaning), and I always have a consistent enjoyable vape.... I also have recently tried the Vapage Hybrid LR 1.5ohm and the IKV LR510 1.5ohm, (purchased this due to IO6 not being available w/ drip tip), and they are ok as well on all my devices. Just not as consistent as the Cisco spec LR306.... They both in fact perform better than the 357, even on the eGo!!!!!
I really haven't had a positive experience with the 357 at all and I have a suspicion the vaping community in whole may have had the same, and that I feel is the reason this forum post has such little traffic... The original HH357 post had almost 100 pages in the same time frame as this one and it only has 22 pages so far... I am not trying to put the 357 down in any way shape of form, but it just didn't cut it for all the hype it received in the beginning and especially for the $25 price tag!!! I can almost purchase 3 Cisco spec LR306's for that price and I know what the performance is going to be already and it doesn't matter what I vape it on, I know it will work.... Maybe my expectations were too high to begin with? This is what has kept me from getting the AVA atty that everyone raves about also. I just can't see paying almost $50 only to be dissatisfied again!!! I am into the idea of trying new things, but they only get one chance to get it right the first time around or it's not even considered again... I'm not into this to just be throwing my money away... I'm way past that point in my vaping journey...
Please keep in mind that these are my opinions and mine alone.........
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muzic, I know an XL vaper, Fernand who I respect as a mentor of sorts for his insightfulness on things "vape" related. He only uses 1.5 357.
I haven't put one on my XL yet (Aero now), but I have had good results on the Reo as have many many more. If you go to the Reo threads, lots of the Reo vets use 357 exclusively.
Many more love the Cisco 306 LR 1.5 (it's a sure thing for great vapor and powerful all around).
The reason people pay for the 357 is because of flavor, when it's going right. imo, the Aero is close, but not there. The AVA is similar in level of flavor (and it is quirkier).
Like i said, it takes getting into... to ensure it's vaping right.
I have been dripping for 2 years, like a fiend; chain vaping, and after finally getting a ton of backups of my favorite atomizers; LR i06, Cisco 1.5 (901, 306), DSE LR 901, DSE SR 901, Joye SR 510, I was putting out the vaper like a choo choo train, but when i tried the 357, there was no comparison in the flavor improvement. Everything tasted dull to me. That's what you call "jaded".
When I found that the LR 1.5 375 was as good on a Genuine Joye 650 or 1000mah (regulated 3.4v) as it did on a high end VV at 3.4v, I realized that innovation in atomizers is where it's at.
I sold $400 worth of accessories on the classies; 100 attys, Buzz Pro, Provari, Odyseus, Genisis, Tanks... bought a doz 357's, and 4 AVA's (and pocketed some chaching).
I have what's in my sig and I still have too many PVs, but I'm sticking with the 357 until something better comes along.
As long as I'm dropping names, there's MWA the king of vapers (just kidding) who practically only uses 357's. He tipped me to them and the AVA (which he doesn't like because they can leak a lot).
I haven't put one on my XL yet (Aero now), but I have had good results on the Reo as have many many more. If you go to the Reo threads, lots of the Reo vets use 357 exclusively.
Many more love the Cisco 306 LR 1.5 (it's a sure thing for great vapor and powerful all around).
The reason people pay for the 357 is because of flavor, when it's going right. imo, the Aero is close, but not there. The AVA is similar in level of flavor (and it is quirkier).
Like i said, it takes getting into... to ensure it's vaping right.
I have been dripping for 2 years, like a fiend; chain vaping, and after finally getting a ton of backups of my favorite atomizers; LR i06, Cisco 1.5 (901, 306), DSE LR 901, DSE SR 901, Joye SR 510, I was putting out the vaper like a choo choo train, but when i tried the 357, there was no comparison in the flavor improvement. Everything tasted dull to me. That's what you call "jaded".
When I found that the LR 1.5 375 was as good on a Genuine Joye 650 or 1000mah (regulated 3.4v) as it did on a high end VV at 3.4v, I realized that innovation in atomizers is where it's at.
I sold $400 worth of accessories on the classies; 100 attys, Buzz Pro, Provari, Odyseus, Genisis, Tanks... bought a doz 357's, and 4 AVA's (and pocketed some chaching).
I have what's in my sig and I still have too many PVs, but I'm sticking with the 357 until something better comes along.
As long as I'm dropping names, there's MWA the king of vapers (just kidding) who practically only uses 357's. He tipped me to them and the AVA (which he doesn't like because they can leak a lot).
Whoops, I thought they did, but can't see them. They should. Many others sell them but since this is an avid thread I'll shut up. Seems they are always $8
Avid does have a 306/510 adapter that would probably make a good wide mouth on a long barrel to accomplish the same thing. I'll have to pick one up next order.
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I'm very new to all of this, but I find when there is 'too much' juice I just draw lightly so very little actually comes out of the packing into the coil
Then as the juice level gets low I dry suck (no button, split second) before vaping and then switch to fast, hard drags as Hanna describes in the video
When there is no gurgle at all on a dry suck, or the last hit tasted a bit like ...well..not my juice, but not bone dry...then I drip (note the last hit before I drip for me is usually a plume of vapor, but the *taste* is off)
Evens out the vape and makes it consistent for me from first to last in a given drip cycle. The ability to influence juice flow with your drag on these things is probably my favorite feature of them, but when I first started using them it was a nightmare lol
Very nice description of method; 2 part: 1. when full and 2. when juice amount is lower. Helps to put it together for those of us "mindless" vapers.
Again, if using VV, you can raise the voltage a bit when it's too full and vape through it.
If one starts out even more than too full, then we have to either take it off and blow through the connector end or try to vape through it.
As you can see, it does take some finesse; some "conscious vaping" not to mention putting all your dripping skills to use.
I always say to anyone learning to drip, too much juice is worse but with the caveat that too little and thsu too many dry burns can be detrimental.
Again, if using VV, you can raise the voltage a bit when it's too full and vape through it.
If one starts out even more than too full, then we have to either take it off and blow through the connector end or try to vape through it.
As you can see, it does take some finesse; some "conscious vaping" not to mention putting all your dripping skills to use.
I always say to anyone learning to drip, too much juice is worse but with the caveat that too little and thsu too many dry burns can be detrimental.
Cyrus "When there is no gurgle at all on a dry suck, or the last hit tasted a bit like ...well..not my juice, but not bone dry...then I drip (note the last hit before I drip for me is usually a plume of vapor, but the *taste* is off)"
Thats it exactly, when its time to drip you still get a great vape, but the taste is just a little different. That is exactly what happens for me, and I'll drip drop another 3.
I'm wondering about the guy who said his HH only works well on an eGo with a full charge. It should be same power full or almost dead, unless its the kind where you can switch it to battery voltage output. I have found some attys have a different draw/airflow on different devices, because of the variances in 510 connections.
I'm sure the HH isn't for everyone, but I love mine. I set the provari at ummm what am I at right now, 4v on the 1.5ohm long barrel, and I just leave it there. I have been experimenting with higher and lower voltages to see where my juice tastes best, but I don't go up or down during a vaping 'session'.
So hey, lots of posters above talking about the cisco LR 306- I have a 1.8ohm cisco 306, and idk I haven't had the greatest results with any of the 306s I've tried. I have some noname LR 306, a 1.8ohm i06, and the 1.8ohm cisco, and can't seem to get a great vape out of any of them. Maybe one of the 306 guys from above can post or point me to some tips??
Thanks,
Dave
Thats it exactly, when its time to drip you still get a great vape, but the taste is just a little different. That is exactly what happens for me, and I'll drip drop another 3.
I'm wondering about the guy who said his HH only works well on an eGo with a full charge. It should be same power full or almost dead, unless its the kind where you can switch it to battery voltage output. I have found some attys have a different draw/airflow on different devices, because of the variances in 510 connections.
I'm sure the HH isn't for everyone, but I love mine. I set the provari at ummm what am I at right now, 4v on the 1.5ohm long barrel, and I just leave it there. I have been experimenting with higher and lower voltages to see where my juice tastes best, but I don't go up or down during a vaping 'session'.
So hey, lots of posters above talking about the cisco LR 306- I have a 1.8ohm cisco 306, and idk I haven't had the greatest results with any of the 306s I've tried. I have some noname LR 306, a 1.8ohm i06, and the 1.8ohm cisco, and can't seem to get a great vape out of any of them. Maybe one of the 306 guys from above can post or point me to some tips??
Thanks,
Dave
I do agree with what junky said about the universal too, I used it on my short barrel, and its really easy to drip through and no juice getting up to your mouth. I wasn't crazy about the huge opening for vaping it, but it was worth it for ease of dripping. I have seen other 306-510 universal tips that aren't made by cherry vapes, and I'm sure they are fine but look shorter than the original cherry vape universal. Seems like there are a lot of places making cherry vape copies, probably not as well as all the cherry vape tips I have seem to be very good quality.
I prefer the HH.357 almost flooded, and have seen the same from others around the forums. I use the the standard 510, with a 510-510 extension and drip shield, and a drip tip adapter for top feed. I'd really like to see more mods designed for top feeding. (I've never tried bottom feeding, but juice in a drip well sounds like disaster for a clutz like me.)
The two HH.357 I bought at Vapebash spit like crazy during break in. I custom ordered a couple glass donut tips. The two custom HH.357 I just received have not spit at all. Maybe that's been improved with the latest version?
I never understood the hype over dripping until I began using the HH.357. I now think it's the best and the most trouble free vape. A quick rinse with alcohol and you're back in business.
The two HH.357 I bought at Vapebash spit like crazy during break in. I custom ordered a couple glass donut tips. The two custom HH.357 I just received have not spit at all. Maybe that's been improved with the latest version?
I never understood the hype over dripping until I began using the HH.357. I now think it's the best and the most trouble free vape. A quick rinse with alcohol and you're back in business.
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