Official DNA 40 introduction

[gorman]

I read over 60 pages but, honestly, I don't have the moral strength to read everything in here. Is there, somewhere, a summary of current fidings? Has Evolve given any details regarding safety concerns for nichel use? The idea seems excellent but I see so many people with problems with board and problems with achieving reasonable builds, due to the current structure of rebuildable atomizers (not enough space, not enough airflow considering the coil size needed, etc.)...

When I started reading the discussion, two days ago, I was like "I need one yesterday". Now... I'm left with the feeling this is something like a beta test for a new concept. Am I far off?

 

[NOVA jon]

Nope, my vape journey is very new but I think this new technology has more than a few scratching their heads. Only had mine for a few days and while I thought I had a somewhat strong build and concept of the DNA40, the more I read others comments and experiences, the more confused I am about it!! I had to return mine but can't wait for its return and will probably pick up another, it just feels like it could be the "next big thing" in my progression!!

 

[Heespharm]

I read over 60 pages but, honestly, I don't have the moral strength to read everything in here. Is there, somewhere, a summary of current fidings? Has Evolve given any details regarding safety concerns for nichel use? The idea seems excellent but I see so many people with problems with board and problems with achieving reasonable builds, due to the current structure of rebuildable atomizers (not enough space, not enough airflow considering the coil size needed, etc.)...

When I started reading the discussion, two days ago, I was like "I need one yesterday". Now... I'm left with the feeling this is something like a beta test for a new concept. Am I far off?

Nickel as safe if not safer than kanthal, builds are doing fine just gotta get creative or thinner wire is all, bad boards have been ironed out.... It's the Next big thing don't miss out!


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[SheerLuckHolmes]

There is an internet TV show in the UK called VapourTrailsTV. It can be accessed on YouTube. Brandon of Evolv will be the featured guest next Thursday 12-4-2014 on The Haze Hour with Dave Dorn. They are going to discuss all things dna 40.

If you are at all interested in the dna 40 I would recommend finding and watching next Thursday. It will be live at 9:00pm UK time and available for play back on YouTube after that. That's 4:00 pm Eastern 3:00pm Central 2:00pm Mountain and 1:00pm Pacific Time Zones US.

 

[NOVA jon]

There is an internet TV show in the UK called VapourTrailsTV. It can be accessed on YouTube. Brandon of Evolv will be the featured guest next Thursday 12-4-2014 on The Haze Hour with Dave Dorn. They are going to discuss all things DNA 40.

If you are at all interested in the DNA 40 I would recommend finding and watching next Thursday. It will be live at 9:00pm UK time and available for play back on YouTube after that. That's 4:00 pm Eastern 3:00pm Central 2:00pm Mountain and 1:00pm Pacific Time Zones US.

....... setting my alarm, making an entry on the calender aaannnnddddd done, thanks.........

 

[TheKiwi]

I read over 60 pages but, honestly, I don't have the moral strength to read everything in here. Is there, somewhere, a summary of current fidings? Has Evolve given any details regarding safety concerns for nichel use? The idea seems excellent but I see so many people with problems with board and problems with achieving reasonable builds, due to the current structure of rebuildable atomizers (not enough space, not enough airflow considering the coil size needed, etc.)...

When I started reading the discussion, two days ago, I was like "I need one yesterday". Now... I'm left with the feeling this is something like a beta test for a new concept. Am I far off?

Heheh there are gonna a few folks who might pounce on my neck and insist that the dna40 is working exaaaactly as intended and it's perfect and yada yada but I'll offer my POV

1) many of the issues were caused by faulty PCB. Unfortunately it seems to me that the percentage of total boards out seem to be pretty high at this point, and some remains in circulation. That's an issue with the manufacturing chain rather than the technology itself though. The good news is most mod makers and evolv themselves are making good on the warranty. The bad news is they exist and continue to be in circulation

If we take the glitchy boards outta the equation (since it's not an issue with the technology itself)....

2) I still think nickel isn't the best choice for this application. Ahem someone ahem is gonna say I'm just bad at building or whatever, but I find nickel to be a pain to work with, and the resistance to be too low. But I can completely see why they chose it: it's waaaay more readily accessible for the mass market compared to other alternatives like titanium, plus nickel has had pretty widespread application in vaping. My hope is that future chips can have the option of selecting the kinds of wire to use

3) IMO, some refinements can def be made. I personally don't enjoy the lack of control I have over how much the initial wattage "boost" is. Again someone is gonna say it's because of my lack of knowledge of the chip but. Well, perhaps. But having some degree of control (eg the multiplier, the boost limit, ability to turn off or on) would be very appreciated

4) when your atty is built right, TP works. It really really does. Ive experienced its effectiveness just recently.

5) from what I've read, there isn't a official statement from evolv on the safety of nickel as far as I know. But numerous folks have emailed them, and Brandon has replied several folks that
- nickel has already been extensively used in vaping for a while now
- nickel should be safe in the context/condition for vaping.


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[NOVA jon]

I also like what you brought out that a twisted nickel/kanthal build is a little less tricky and can be used with temp protection!

 

[TheKiwi]

I also like what you brought out that a twisted nickel/kanthal build is a little less tricky and can be used with temp protection!

Haha the only issue is that there's gonna be inconsistency from wires to wires depending on the tightness of twists, combination of wires used, and of course a somewhat arbitrary manual calibration of the temperature haha. But yeah it works!!!


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[KAS129]

Does anyone know approximately how long the return time is after the Evolv receives an RMA'ed board? Mine shows as delivered over 2 weeks ago. They have not responded to multiple emails and so far I have neither heard nor received anything. This was a bare board in original retail packaging by the way. Worked fine for one day and then went to "complete garbage" screen. Removed battery and came back same as before only dim everytime.

 

[Heespharm]

Does anyone know approximately how long the return time is after the Evolv receives an RMA'ed board? Mine shows as delivered over 2 weeks ago. They have not responded to multiple emails and so far I have neither heard nor received anything. This was a bare board in original retail packaging by the way. Worked fine for one day and then went to "complete garbage" screen. Removed battery and came back same as before only dim everytime.

Same story here it's radio silence


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[Woofer]

Heheh there are gonna a few folks who might pounce on my neck and insist that the dna40 is working exaaaactly as intended and it's perfect and yada yada but I'll offer my POV

2) I still think nickel isn't the best choice for this application. Ahem someone ahem is gonna say I'm just bad at building or whatever, but I find nickel to be a pain to work with, and the resistance to be too low. But I can completely see why they chose it: it's waaaay more readily accessible for the mass market compared to other alternatives like titanium, plus nickel has had pretty widespread application in vaping. My hope is that future chips can have the option of selecting the kinds of wire to use

I`m confidant Evolv did a great deal more research then anyone of the forums and they decided Ni 200 was the best choice, go figure. Perhaps for the reasons you suggest still I`d like to hear the official reason. The resistance is low, never thought I`d be sub-ohming and loving it. I prefer single coils anyway and am looking forward to the atty makers response to this new tech.

3) IMO, some refinements can def be made. I personally don't enjoy the lack of control I have over how much the initial wattage "boost" is. Again someone is gonna say it's because of my lack of knowledge of the chip but. Well, perhaps. But having some degree of control (eg the multiplier, the boost limit, ability to turn off or on) would be very appreciated

Really, I`d never turn it off and it`s controlled by the set temp. Take me to my temperature NOW, thanks! I don`t see what is gained here please elaborate if you feel like elaborating.

5) from what I've read, there isn't a official statement from evolv on the safety of nickel as far as I know. But numerous folks have emailed them, and Brandon has replied several folks that
- nickel has already been extensively used in vaping for a while now
- nickel should be safe in the context/condition for vaping.

I`m puzzled by the concern about Nickel.
1) Kanthal is a iron chromium aluminium alloy
2) Nichrome is 80-20 nickel chromium alloy
and that doesn`t seem to bother many. At the temps we run at I have no concern about any of them YMMV.
Lest you thing I`m cavalier about health and safety I have concerns about flavorings and juice purity.

 

[WeirdWillie]

To me the lack of hearing anything from Evolv is what pisses me off most, I get s@#%$ happens in production and unforeseen problems can arise, but customer relations and customer satisfaction should always be top priority for any business IMO Evolv has been found seriously lacking in this department.

Email them and all you'll get is this:

Hi William

Please go to Evolv LLC - Contact and click the DNA40 screen lock-up prompt. All instructions and documents for return are provided.

Thanks,
Steve

Evolv, LLC

I already knew this Steve from the last 2 DNA40 boards I had to send back how about telling people whats going on, and when they will be getting their replacement boards back.

And not so much as a peep from anyone at Evolv since the release hype.
Now I know they are busy,, but I would think a little PR with their customers would be in order, and not just go into hiding in a secrete underground bunker at an undisclosed location, and issue a total media and communication blackout.
Furthermore why even ask for an email address on the RMA if they never intend to at least email your customer and say oh BTW we mailed out your replacement board today.

 

[rusirius]

Really, I`d never turn it off and it`s controlled by the set temp. Take me to my temperature NOW, thanks! I don`t see what is gained here please elaborate if you feel like elaborating.

I think this comes down to the same thing I've stated since my earliest posts in this thread and then again in a couple of recent posts. I think it really comes down to using the settings in a way that evolv truly didn't intend. In all fairness, it's not like evolv has come out and said, "here, here's what you do", but if you understand the technology it just makes sense to do it a certain way.

If you set the tp to a point much higher than you intend to vape at, then set the wattage lower than the wattage required to get even close to that temp, then the boost is going to become an annoyance. You hit the fire button and it ramps the wattage way up trying to get close to your preset temp which is much higher than you want to vape. Then it drops down to your set wattage.

On the other hand, if you set the wattage higher and the tp to the temp you actually want to vape at then it's a truly wonderful thing. You honestly don't even know it's there. All you know is that the moment you hit the fire button the coil is exactly at the right temp, then it stays at exactly that right temp through the entire draw. Perfectly consistent.

I'm sorry, but I can't see how anyone can argue that this wasn't the way evolv intended the settings to be used.

 

[Rossum]

I`m puzzled by the concern about Nickel.
1) Kanthal is a iron chromium aluminium alloy
2) Nichrome is 80-20 nickel chromium alloy
and that doesn`t seem to bother many.

Kanthal doesn't contain any nickel, so I'm not sure why it made your list.

Nickel may not bother many, but it bothers some. Every time I've tried coils made of nichrome, R41, or more recently, pure nickel, it's irritated my mouth and throat after a couple of days. I love my DNA40 bottom-feeder, but I run a titanium coil in it.

 

[Woofer]

Kanthal doesn't contain any nickel, so I'm not sure why it made your list.

Nickel may not bother many, but it bothers some. Every time I've tried coils made of nichrome, R41, or more recently, pure nickel, it's irritated my mouth and throat after a couple of days. I love my DNA40 bottom-feeder, but I run a titanium coil in it.

Because it contains chromium & aluminium. Some are allergic to nickel, perhaps you are. Its that OMG nickel, I`m gonna die reaction I don`t get.
Anyway great that titanium is working for you, I will try it eventually.

 

[Woofer]

I think this comes down to the same thing I've stated since my earliest posts in this thread and then again in a couple of recent posts. I think it really comes down to using the settings in a way that evolv truly didn't intend. In all fairness, it's not like evolv has come out and said, "here, here's what you do", but if you understand the technology it just makes sense to do it a certain way.

If you set the tp to a point much higher than you intend to vape at, then set the wattage lower than the wattage required to get even close to that temp, then the boost is going to become an annoyance. You hit the fire button and it ramps the wattage way up trying to get close to your preset temp which is much higher than you want to vape. Then it drops down to your set wattage.

On the other hand, if you set the wattage higher and the tp to the temp you actually want to vape at then it's a truly wonderful thing. You honestly don't even know it's there. All you know is that the moment you hit the fire button the coil is exactly at the right temp, then it stays at exactly that right temp through the entire draw. Perfectly consistent.

I'm sorry, but I can't see how anyone can argue that this wasn't the way evolv intended the settings to be used.

I totally agree

 

[DejayRezme]

To me the lack of hearing anything from Evolv is what pisses me off most

While a "mea culpa" statement would be nice (will be curious to see the upcoming interview with brandon on vapourtrailstv) really all they can do is to replace the chips. It's quite possible that the people in support just don't know the more intricate technical details.

 

[Heespharm]

While a "mea culpa" statement would be nice (will be curious to see the upcoming interview with brandon on vapourtrailstv) really all they can do is to replace the chips. It's quite possible that the people in support just don't know the more intricate technical details.

I'm Interested too... Will he sweep it under the rug, poo poo it, face it directly, give an explanation?


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[Frocket]

There is an internet TV show in the UK called VapourTrailsTV. It can be accessed on YouTube. Brandon of Evolv will be the featured guest next Thursday 12-4-2014 on The Haze Hour with Dave Dorn. They are going to discuss all things DNA 40.

If you are at all interested in the DNA 40 I would recommend finding and watching next Thursday. It will be live at 9:00pm UK time and available for play back on YouTube after that. That's 4:00 pm Eastern 3:00pm Central 2:00pm Mountain and 1:00pm Pacific Time Zones US.

Excellent info, thanks for sharing that post. I'm looking forward to what he'll have to say about things so far. I'd assume the bad board issue is going to come up; it certainly deserves some discussion.

BOOM!

 

[DejayRezme]

Derp ripper just posted a nice DNA40 introduction video. Nothing who has read this thread doesn't know already but very good for newcomers.
RiP Trippers - DNA 40 Introduction Basics!