Official DNA 40 introduction

[spewny]

First criticism, that same rda, when removed and put back on, now shows never going over 400F at 20w and is hitting much harder. This could simply be the quality of my magma (clone), but it is a little disconcerting. Curious to see if anyone else sees these same inconsistencies.

 

[Coldpunk]

My VF 40 is OFD but wire won't get here till next week. [emoji24] [emoji35]

I wanted the flask pretty bad but ended up going with vaporshark. Luckily/unfortunately I have two weeks to order wire and be ready for its arrival.

 

[KenD]

The Protovapor xpv, is it possible to change out the 18650 in that one or is it wired in?

EDIT: post no 777! Forgot post no 666, so 777 will have to do...

 

[KTMRider]

I wanted the flask pretty bad but ended up going with vaporshark. Luckily/unfortunately I have two weeks to order wire and be ready for its arrival.

I ordered from Lightning Vapes on eBay. $5.80 for 100' 30g Ni200. Ordered early afternoon and got a tracking # a couple of hrs later. Now I just need to wait for VS to start shipping.

 

[Coldpunk]

I just did as well. What day did you order your VS? I ordered mine early am on the 15th. Hopefully it's one of the first to ship.

 

[xIce101x]

First criticism, that same rda, when removed and put back on, now shows never going over 400F at 20w and is hitting much harder. This could simply be the quality of my magma (clone), but it is a little disconcerting. Curious to see if anyone else sees these same inconsistencies.

Did you put it on while it was still warm? The atty has to be put on at room temperature for it to calculate the wire temperature correctly.

 

[RebelGolfer72]

On Dr. Farsalino's Indiegogo campaign page, in the campaign notes (which are in an Update toward the bottom of the page), Dr. F. takes note of the new generation of temperature regulated mods:

"... We are going to test these devices, not only to see that temperature control is indeed a reality, but also (and most importantly) to see the levels of vapor production (which is a measure of satifaction for the vaper) and the effect of temperature control on aldehyde emissions to the vapor. The latter will show the true impact of temperature control on safety..."

You can leave a comment when you contribute (which can be any amount you want, by the way, it's not limited to the $600 default). In my comment, I suggested that he also test whether the nickel coils are giving off nickel fumes that are getting into the vapor. There aren't that many comments -- mine was three day ago, and it's still the most recent comment -- so I'm guessing he's reading them all. If he hasn't already decided to test for nickel, I expect just a few more comments asking him to do so would probably do the trick.

I still don't know if I completely trust his whole campaign. To me it looks like he could be potentially setting up to prove that 'low power, controlled source/delivery' devices are great! Better than cigarettes, but anything more powerful, is bad... The fact that he is trying to help prove the safety of vaping instantly has everyone following him and his studies, but he could be a BT shill. I don't know. And that is why even though he has done and said some things in our favor, we can't rely on his studies to be the end-all-be-all authority.

If you want to really know what various coil materials release, grab a liter or so of 100% VG, split it 4 ways. Put 500ml in a bottle, as your control. Set up a tank to bust through 500ml, while collecting the vapor, letting it condense back to VG

You would do this 3 times. Once with Ni200, once with NiCr, and once with A1. Send those samples too Weidmann diagnostic labs. They are just analyzing some glycerine, they don't know what you are looking for or why. I know I would trust results from there over his analysis

 

[KTMRider]

I just did as well. What day did you order your VS? I ordered mine early am on the 15th. Hopefully it's one of the first to ship.

I didn't pre-order it. There's a VS store near me so I was going to pick one up there if the reviews were good. They said they would hold one for me.

If I don't get the VS, I'll definitely be getting a DNA 40 device so I ordered the wire. I really want to support Evolv after watching some of the Youtube videos of Brandon from Evolv. Some have mentioned he might not be the best front man for the company (I thought he did great, though) but I really like the company's principles. Rather than just throwing more watts at us, they brought us something revolutionary and with safety in mind with temp control as well as the other features of the DNA 40. I was just going to buy a Cloupor clone but decided to get an authentic DNA chip.

 

[Rossum]

The Protovapor xpv, is it possible to change out the 18650 in that one or is it wired in?

Unless they've changed something since early this year, it's soldered to a connectorized harness, like this:

 

[KTMRider]

Unless they've changed something since early this year, it's soldered to a connectorized harness, like this:

It's not hard to solder leads on to a battery. Use a 40w or higher soldering iron.

 

[Rossum]

I still don't know if I completely trust his whole campaign. To me it looks like he could be potentially setting up to prove that 'low power, controlled source/delivery' devices are great! Better than cigarettes, but anything more powerful, is bad... The fact that he is trying to help prove the safety of vaping instantly has everyone following him and his studies, but he could be a BT shill.

Seriously? BT shills don't need crowd-funding or donation. I trust him to tell us the truth. And I suspect the truth will be: Avoid dry hits, they're bad (but still not as bad as smoking). However, if the truth happens to be that the the bad stuff increases with power, I can accept that. If that is the truth, wouldn't you rather know it, thank have it get swept under the rug?

 

[RebelGolfer72]

I'm not saying his research is right or wrong, nor am I saying his motives are either. Just saying that we have to listen objectively, and not just blindly follow.

I agree, I believe we will find that dry hits are bad.. Then again, who likes the taste of one anyways?
And I do agree, I want the truth and the facts, but that is why I question everything- no matter who or what the source is, and how "recommended" they are

 

[DejayRezme]

I still don't know if I completely trust his whole campaign. To me it looks like he could be potentially setting up to prove that 'low power, controlled source/delivery' devices are great! Better than cigarettes, but anything more powerful, is bad...

Lol and here the revolution starts to eat their children X)

But seriously, I think we as a society are heading into a mindset where we start to think of as science as "that's just your opinion mate". Science should be indisputable facts, with the occasional clerical error or corrupt scientist. .... happens but the media are making studies out to be some kind of "paid for" propaganda. What we should hope and trust for is that it is solid SCIENCE and nothing else. And if the test results show dangers with high watt vaping, we'll find ways around that. Or you can review the methodology for false assumptions. Or we'll just build more and bigger coils and stronger wicking to chase clouds while avoiding health risks.

BTW thanks whoever linked linked to the campaign first, I didn't know about this before and now have contributed (just a small amount though).

 

[Bassnorma]

Thing is Evolv has a record of revolutionizing the industry starting with the first Kick and variable wattage to the now DNA 40...These are vaping old timers that have been around since people built their own mods as a routine. I trust them and I also don't begrudge anyone making a profit from their own ingenious designs either.

 

[KGie]

I still don't know if I completely trust his whole campaign. To me it looks like he could be potentially setting up to prove that 'low power, controlled source/delivery' devices are great! Better than cigarettes, but anything more powerful, is bad... The fact that he is trying to help prove the safety of vaping instantly has everyone following him and his studies, but he could be a BT shill. I don't know. And that is why even though he has done and said some things in our favor, we can't rely on his studies to be the end-all-be-all authority.
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If he's a shill of Big Tobacco, his studies so far have certainly not advanced the cause of his secret employer. Maybe he's a sleeper.

 

[Bassnorma]

If he's a shill of Big Tobacco, his studies so far have certainly not advanced the cause of his secret employer. Maybe he's a sleeper.

So, let's assume for a sec that Farsalinos is wrong...I don't think so but I'll give the argument that...

For every not burnt hit I take, I will be thanking Brandon and John because burnt hits taste like ......

For every cloud chasing kid that doesn't blow his face off subohming because his brah doesn't know ohm's law...I will also be thanking Brandon and John.

To me, DNA 40 is full of win for us vaper types.

Edit: Plus, I am personally one of those people that does actually want to try things which I never have (within reason). Even though I do know Ohm's law well enough to not cause myself injury...I have been timid about subohms...until DNA 40.

I love that it will be safe and I won't chew up a battery while blowing my own personal clouds...

Guess I had better hush now before it becomes uncool...kind of like...oh crap my mom's on Facebook now...LOL

 

[peraspera]

Anyone try heating they coil up to regulated temps, then dipping it in water while continuing to fire it?

My rDNA40 won't be here for awhile so I only could try this on Kanthal but it worked pretty well. I deliberately let the coil get pretty well gunked before testing, much dirtier than a Ni200 is likely to ever get using temp control.

I dunked the coil in a shallow dish with a bit of water in the bottom and swished it around while firing. I changed out the water three or four times and the coil came clean.

 

[Bassnorma]

My rDNA40 won't be here for awhile so I only could try this on Kanthal but it worked pretty well. I deliberately let the coil get pretty well gunked before testing, much dirtier than a Ni200 is likely to ever get using temp control.

I dunked the coil in a shallow dish with a bit of water in the bottom and swished it around while firing. I changed out the water three or four times and the coil came clean.

SO that's really a thing! Sorry Rossum I was being a smart ... and thought you were joking.

 

[Rossum]

I guess you've never cleaned a commercial grill?

 

[Jerms]

My rDNA40 won't be here for awhile so I only could try this on Kanthal but it worked pretty well. I deliberately let the coil get pretty well gunked before testing, much dirtier than a Ni200 is likely to ever get using temp control.

I dunked the coil in a shallow dish with a bit of water in the bottom and swished it around while firing. I changed out the water three or four times and the coil came clean.

Cool! I wonder how hot the coil gets when doing that. Certainly not nearly as high a temp as dry burning. I'm going to share this info in the Natural Tobacco thread.