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If he's a shill of Big tobacco, his studies so far have certainly not advanced the cause of his secret employer. Maybe he's a sleeper.
If you are getting from these more recent posts of mine that I am opposed to the DNA 40, you've got me completely wrong: As I've said in earlier posts, I want one. I think the idea is brilliant. (Although it's not clear to me Evolv was the originator of the basic idea, I don't think they were. But that's irrelevant, they were the first to bring it to market.) I quite agree that there are numerous ways in which it is clearly safer and better than anything we have now and that it'is a real positive for vaping in general. My only concern is whether there may be as yet unrecognized hazards from the nickel used in the coils that we don't know about yet. And just as RebelGolfer is unwilling to give anyone a free ride where his trust is concerned, the good Dr. Farsalino included, I am unwilling to give Evolv a free ride.
Let the data speak for itself, not our opinions or theories. (And make no mistake, saying it doesn't emit nickel fumes because the temperature is regulated to well below the melting point, let alone the boiling point, of nickel, is nothing more than an unproven theory. Suppose the coil develops hot spots? Then the average temp, which is what is being regulated, could be well below the melting point, while those hot spots are well above the boiling point. Perhaps corrosion or pitting could contribute to that? I'm not saying that happens, I really don't know. I'm just saying it may happen, which is just another theory. The only way we'll know for sure is by boots-on-the-ground, real-world tests of the type that Farsalino does. Which is why I am supporting his work and encouraging others to do the same.)
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It's cool...whatever makes you happy. I consider it a minor risk as compared to say inhaling burnt cotton which is supposedly a known risk. If you don't feel good about it, that is what counts in the end.
Agree with you on the cotton, which is why I'm still stuck with silica. (And maybe ceramic/ReadyXWick down the line?) Have no idea of the relative risks of cotton wick vs nickel coils, however.
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It's no secret that the way the government is wanting to regulate vaping to the point that the open system of having your choice of any juice flavor out there, in any rebuildable topper, powered by any mod will be a thing of the past. To contain it, they want us using prefilled "tamper resistant" cartos, powered by cigalike batteries. Big tobacco also wants this, and is moving to break into the vaping world with these kinds of systems. Farsalinos studies so far have shown a large number of juices could be unsafe. If he says that high power vaping can be dangerous, that is the ammo to outlaw mech mods and rebuildables. While many of us would take the studies as advice and use good judgement, the fact that some will not, is enough to outlaw it (up for a game of Jarts anyone?)
So, his studies have been helpful, but could hurt as well. Science is the statement of a hypothesis (educated guess), and collect facts that support this. As intelligent beings, it's good that we challenge these conclusions. Many factors, or new facts can be discovered every day. Likewise, the methods used to collect and record data can be faulty. We are human, make mistakes..likewise, recreations and simulations done in the lab do not always accurately reflect real world experience.
Again, not faulting or discounting his work, which I respect tremendously. I'm just saying read his work, and learn some facts, but don't be afraid to question any or all of it. Don't be afraid to think outside of the box.
With all that said, I believe that Evolv have just taken a huge step in helping us "advanced vapers" with the temp limiting. Not only are we promised a better, safer experience (and I know the tech is good, but it is the first attempt at it.. Expect even better implementation in future releases. ). Arguably, what they are doing is not really a new concept, as signal limiting has been used for decades in the music and broadcast worlds. I don't think that using this idea for vaping is revolutionary, as it was only a matter of time. What I consider brilliant is the actual execution, which Evolv pulled off. And by that I call them innovative. This innovation, though is going to be just one more step toward the industry taking proactive steps to counter things that those against vaping are going to hit us with. With Evolv being partnered with Innokin, subsequently dipping their toes into temperature limiting devices will be a huge step for us.
I should have a DNA40 board Monday, and can't wait to experience the new way to look at vaping!
So, his studies have been helpful, but could hurt as well. Science is the statement of a hypothesis (educated guess), and collect facts that support this. As intelligent beings, it's good that we challenge these conclusions. Many factors, or new facts can be discovered every day. Likewise, the methods used to collect and record data can be faulty. We are human, make mistakes..likewise, recreations and simulations done in the lab do not always accurately reflect real world experience.
Again, not faulting or discounting his work, which I respect tremendously. I'm just saying read his work, and learn some facts, but don't be afraid to question any or all of it. Don't be afraid to think outside of the box.
With all that said, I believe that Evolv have just taken a huge step in helping us "advanced vapers" with the temp limiting. Not only are we promised a better, safer experience (and I know the tech is good, but it is the first attempt at it.. Expect even better implementation in future releases. ). Arguably, what they are doing is not really a new concept, as signal limiting has been used for decades in the music and broadcast worlds. I don't think that using this idea for vaping is revolutionary, as it was only a matter of time. What I consider brilliant is the actual execution, which Evolv pulled off. And by that I call them innovative. This innovation, though is going to be just one more step toward the industry taking proactive steps to counter things that those against vaping are going to hit us with. With Evolv being partnered with Innokin, subsequently dipping their toes into temperature limiting devices will be a huge step for us.
I should have a DNA40 board Monday, and can't wait to experience the new way to look at vaping!
Hey Rebel? Did you see Smokey Joes article on CNN Online? I thought it was the dogs bollocks!
Water isn't very conductive. In fact, pure distilled water isn't conductive at all. Considering you've got a coil of wire between the two posts already, any additional conduction through the water is going to be essentially negligible.
Maybe I should have written "commercial griddle" but when I worked in a restaurant that had one like this (in college, in the 1970s) we called it the "grill".Newp....I use tin foil for grills....digging deeper hole...ever deeper...
That is my point. A lot of fear mongering about using pure nickel coils, when the majority of vapers are vaping in a tank, made in China, with who knows what contaminating the parts. Tanks made out of nickel plated brass (which contains lead), with NiChrome (60-80% nickel, and chromium which has a history of toxicity), coils that are welded to pure nickel legs, and inhaling through stainless drip tips (which have a percentage of nickel)... Using wicks made of cotton ( which is a plant that absorbs every good and bad thing in the air/soil around it), rayon (man made), or silica ( I.e glass which can send small particles in to our lungs).. And of course, loaded with plastic tanks and insulators which leech God knows what into our juice, and has melting/vapor points much closer to what we vape at than any metal will. I really don't think Evolv was being reckless by using pure nickel, to help ensure heat is controlled to help minimize any possible threats- real or imagined- here.
And after allow that, vaping is still exponentially safer than smoking.
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To be fair though Rebel...the tanks should not be heating up...if they are the person is doing it wrong...lol
And I agree...vaping is far safer than smoking even with the risks, if they actually are risks...
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Did you let it cool off after you remove it?
I think the DNA 40 assumes the coil is the same temperature as the board in the enclosure whenever you remove the coil. So if your coil is still hot, it might cause the DNA 40 to think the temperature is lower than it actually is.
The problem with that, though, is that we're (most of us) not qualified to assess the research. Science is science, and when we don't understand it or how it works we need to trust the experts. We can look at where the financing is coming from, what the qualifications of the scientists are, where and how the findings are published, and make an assessment of trustworthiness based on that. But, the mere opinions of us non-experts don't count, and facts we don't like might very well be true.
I love the idea of the temperature control in the DNA 40. Brilliant. My only issue is this. A buddy gave me ten feet of Nichrome a couple of months ago. I rebuilt an RBA, RTA and a couple of Kanger heads with it. I learned I can't stand the taste of vaping on Nichrome. It just tastes nasty to me; on any device at any wattage. Is it the nickel or chromium that gives me that nasty taste? I can't see any way of testing the Ni200 wire without first springing for or building a DNA 40 device. I'm perfectly happy with 30w. The only reason for me to get the DNA 40 is temperature control. Any advice? I guess I could simply wait to try someone else's DNA 40. God only knows how long I'll have to wait to get that opportunity...
Do any engineers/chemists think it possible to develop ceramic donuts capable of utilizing the DNA 40 temperature control? It seems like the DNA 40 is perfect for donuts with it's power burst, etc. Ceramics would also remove any fear about metal/alloy degradation, leaching, etc...
Do any engineers/chemists think it possible to develop ceramic donuts capable of utilizing the DNA 40 temperature control? It seems like the DNA 40 is perfect for donuts with it's power burst, etc. Ceramics would also remove any fear about metal/alloy degradation, leaching, etc...
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If it's purely a matter of personal taste you could wait until you have a chance to try it, meanwhile keep your eye out here to see if such a thing is an issue for early adopters. Mine should be arriving today and I'm quite excited to see if it could resolve some long-standing concerns I've had with vaping. If it tastes yucky it's back to the drawing board.
Wish I had my device to help test but it's currently over the pacific ocean. /lol
I thought ? when you install a new topper or even remove a given topper and then install it again the DNA40 asks you if this is a new device?? Answer yes and see what happens? Also, if your firmware is Beta, perhaps Evolv made changes to the "gold" final which you do not have?
EDIT: In the Brandon and Phil video which I am watching for the second time Brandon says that first the board performs a "guess" and if it recognizes the topper it does not ask you. If that be the case ? it seems to me that the board should always ask you which might eliminate your issues since I assume in this case it will recalculate somehow?
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