Official ProVari 3 Thread - P3

[HBcorpse]

Since we're offering opinions, here's a productive suggestion for ProVape: 30W/50W "P3 Pro" anyone?

Man's got a point.

But like I proposed earlier:
Maybe Provape has deemed 20+ watt vaping to be too dangerous, for THEM to feel comfortable releasing a more powerful device? Sure people are doing it, but Provape can be counted on to produce high quality, reliable, and SAFE devices.
In the end, regardless of what people tell them they should do, they are a smart, successful business...it's their .... on the line if a 30 watt device were to maim a customer.


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[Ozwald]

Okay.

Had to post a link to this:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-provape-danger-becoming-like-blackberry.html

You can have my Crackberry when you pry it out of my cold dead hands.

Best. Mobile keyboard. Ever.

 

[Lemwise76]

Maybe Provape has deemed 20+ watt vaping to be too dangerous

Evolve has pretty much proven that 30 watts is perfectly safe. If it wasn't, there would be countless stories of Evolve chips blowing up.

 

[JohnD0406]

Man's got a point.

Maybe Provape has deemed 20+ watt vaping to be too dangerous, for THEM to feel comfortable releasing a more powerful device?

Considering the P3 can take an 18350, it very well may be. Thus, the "P3 Pro" would be an 18650 tube only! Problem solved. Vaping at high wattages is not dangerous in itself, but requires the proper components (like a battery rated for the current draw, etc.). Perhaps an 18650 tube would solve that problem. Also, ProVape can prevent stacking by checking input voltage, along with other safety measures.

Besides, releasing a "P3 Pro" would cause double and triple-dipping (such as myself, who will be getting a P3, but would upgrade again). Maybe this is already planned... Conspiracy theory? FUD? Hehe...

 

[aikanae1]

That's a good point. Provari 3 accepts all sizes of batteries and not all sizes are safe for 30+ watt vaping. It could also be a production issue which leaves the field open to a V2 at some point.

Whatever, I hope Provari explains why and ends the speculation. I think the mystery is adding fuel to the fire.

 

[PLANofMAN]

What is it with Americans and proudly made in the USA?

It took ProVape 4 years to put it on any of their devices, and only did so on this one because it was a popular request from the vaping community. Please note that the part it is engraved on is removable, so I'm sure there will be other options for that top ring in the future.

...As my Grandfather would say..."There was a time when 'American made' meant the best quality."

I don't know why you would ask such a question...but all I know is:
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'Merica...[expletive] YEAH!!!

Russia and Great Britain are co-holders of that title as well.
I would have liked your post if you hadn't used the word "'Murica,"

What do the world wars have to do with any of this? [emoji15]

The Netherlands didn't exactly cover itself in glory in WW2. I'll leave it at that.

There are a lot of people who will not buy a 23mm mod, just as there are a lot of people who will not buy a 21mm mod because their toppers are most likely 22mm. Like I said: for some people it's a big deal.

More people will buy a 23 mm mod than will buy a 21 mm mod.

 

[rondasherrill]

That's a good point. Provari 3 accepts all sizes of batteries and not all sizes are safe for 30+ watt vaping. It could also be a production issue which leaves the field open to a V2 at some point.

Whatever, I hope Provari explains why and ends the speculation. I think the mystery is adding fuel to the fire.

That's what I was thinking. They are primarily concerned with safety. While most of US know that an 18350 isn't safe for 30+ watts, if you create a mod with the option to run with 18350's AND vape 30+ watts, people out there would try it.

Case in point the MULTIPLE threads in the new members forum asking if it's okay to subohm on their new mech with 18350 ICR's, half of which try to argue with the response.

 

[JohnD0406]

I would have liked your post if you hadn't used the word "'Murica,"

He was making a "Team America" movie quote reference. Sounds like you missed a great movie...

 

[rbrylawski]

That's what I was thinking. They are primarily concerned with safety. While most of US know that an 18350 isn't safe for 30+ watts, if you create a mod with the option to run with 18350's AND vape 30+ watts, people out there would try it.

Case in point the MULTIPLE threads in the new members forum asking if it's okay to subohm on their new mech with 18350 ICR's, half of which try to argue with the response.

Not that I give a rat's ..... about vaping at higher watts, but with such an advanced chip in the P3, couldn't it be programmed to not operate at higher watts if the wrong size battery was installed?

 

[PLANofMAN]

He was making a "Team America" movie quote reference. Sounds like you missed a great movie...

I saw it and liked it. The problem as I see it, is that the "world" has been using that phrase to mock America for quite a few years now.
Edit: I do like this meme though.

Not that I give a rat's ..... about vaping at higher watts, but with such an advanced chip in the P3, couldn't it be programmed to not operate at higher watts if the wrong size battery was installed?

I'm glad someone else came to that conclusion as well. I'm not alone!

...I would think that with all that power under the hood (ARM chip, seriously?) the amp limit could be changed depending on what size and type of battery the P3 detected. 5 amps is reasonable for an AW 18350 battery, with it's 6 amp limit, but a Sony VTC5 18650 battery has a continuous amp draw rate of 30 amps.

 

[rondasherrill]

Not that I give a rat's ..... about vaping at higher watts, but with such an advanced chip in the P3, couldn't it be programmed to not operate at higher watts if the wrong size battery was installed?

They could, and then people getting that error would complain about the mod not operating to it's advertised capacity with the batteries they have. There literally is no winning.

With that said, a 32-bit arm is amazingly powerful, and does open the door for them to do software upgrades in the future for something like that.(Which they may end up doing. They very well may be just trying to get a solid device out the door now, and do software updates to it later. Remember the cheap upgrade from V1 to V2)

 

[rbrylawski]

They could, and then people getting that error would complain about the mod not operating to it's advertised capacity with the batteries they have. There literally is no winning.

With that said, a 32-bit arm is amazingly powerful, and does open the door for them to do software upgrades in the future for something like that.(Which they may end up doing. They very well may be just trying to get a solid device out the door now, and do software updates to it later. Remember the cheap upgrade from V1 to V2)

That may well be true, but without a USB port on the P3, those upgrades would require people send their device to Provape for reprogramming. Again, for me, the P3 has more than enough wattage to produce the vape I want from the atty's I will use.

 

[rondasherrill]

That may well be true, but without a USB port on the P3, those upgrades would require people send their device to Provape for reprogramming. Again, for me, the P3 has more than enough wattage to produce the vape I want from the atty's I will use.

Oh yea I know. I'm just saying that perhaps they are giving themselves a potential upgrade path, once they can do more in depth testing of various things. As much as we'd love to have it all up front, they are a business, and to be fair, sending in for a low cost upgrade is better than having to buy an all new unit for the upgrade.

That having been said, I have no idea. This is all just conjecture on my part. I also have no need for over 20 watts. 12 watts does great for me.

 

[Anarchy84]

I also have no need for over 20 watts. 12 watts does great for me.

+1. 20 watts is more than enough.

 

[rbrylawski]

+1. 20 watts is more than enough.

That's how I feel. 15 watts is more than I need, so 20 watts is way more than I need.

 

[aikanae1]

Oh yea I know. I'm just saying that perhaps they are giving themselves a potential upgrade path, once they can do more in depth testing of various things. As much as we'd love to have it all up front, they are a business, and to be fair, sending in for a low cost upgrade is better than having to buy an all new unit for the upgrade.

That having been said, I have no idea. This is all just conjecture on my part. I also have no need for over 20 watts. 12 watts does great for me.

It's not like they haven't done something similar before and it was no big deal.

They could release this now and get the ball rolling or continue to work on it for another few years ... and then it'd need something else, and something else and - it seems better to release what they knew would work and tested well vs. take any gambles.

(ps I like your avitar)

 

[HBcorpse]

^^^That.


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[SeniorBoy]

That's what I was thinking. They are primarily concerned with safety. While most of US know that an 18350 isn't safe for 30+ watts, if you create a mod with the option to run with 18350's AND vape 30+ watts, people out there would try it.
Case in point the MULTIPLE threads in the new members forum asking if it's okay to subohm on their new mech with 18350 ICR's, half of which try to argue with the response.

That's a good point. Provari 3 accepts all sizes of batteries and not all sizes are safe for 30+ watt vaping. It could also be a production issue which leaves the field open to a V2 at some point.

Whatever, I hope Provari explains why and ends the speculation. I think the mystery is adding fuel to the fire.

Thanks. You guys just figured it out. That's the essence of what we all will soon see as in 20 watts. No need IMHO for the mother ship to give a response. Easy for even me to understand.



Just stock up on vct5s.

 

[protocol]

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That's what I was thinking. They are primarily concerned with safety. While most of US know that an 18350 isn't safe for 30+ watts, if you create a mod with the option to run with 18350's AND vape 30+ watts, people out there would try it.

Case in point the MULTIPLE threads in the new members forum asking if it's okay to subohm on their new mech with 18350 ICR's, half of which try to argue with the response.

surely a device with IQ™ and HotShot Boost™ can limit amperage based on battery size.

we'll soon find out if Provape is a stubborn company or a smart company, because everyone, everywhere is complaining about the 20w limit (and no, not just cloud chasers)--and these are people, like me, who WANT to buy a P3, not "haters."
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[HBcorpse]

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surely a device with IQ[emoji769] and HotShot Boost[emoji769] can limit amperage based on battery size.

we'll soon find out if Provape is a stubborn company or a smart company, because everyone, everywhere is complaining about the 20w limit (and no, not just cloud chasers)--and these are people, like me, who WANT to buy a P3, not "haters."
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I'm sorry, for I am about to speak out of ignorance, as my only experience with a dripper was an Igo-W with a dual coil 1.0 ohm build...I hated it it, I'm sure mostly because it wasn't a "quality dripper", even though I am positive I got a quality build...I trust my local shop manager enough to know that.

My question:
What kind of quality vape can you get from something that is powered above 20 watts? Or 15 watts?
I used to vape standard res cartos (2.7-3.0ohms), at 4.4 volts, for an average of 6-7 watts.
Now I vape a 1.5-1.8ohm micro-coil build on my Kayfuns, at 4.0 volts, for an average of 9-10 watts...
Excuse the math...I know I'm not being laser accurate, but I'm close enough to make my point.

From all the dangers I've heard about sub-ohm builds, I can't see a benefit, other than to make mech mods more efficient, and/or to chase clouds...
But for regulated mods, why can't you just build a coil that registers at 1.0 ohm minimum, and ramp up your power?

I mean, Provape set the bottom at 0.7 ohms, and the top at 20 watts...
If you were to "play it safe" and build just inside those figures, with a 0.8 ohm coil, and run it at 19.8 watts (cuz the P3 adjusts wattage in 0.2 increments), you're gonna be just around 4.0 volts.
So, why not just build a 1.2 ohm coil, and run your voltage up to 4.9? You'll be pulling the same 19.8 watts, so wouldn't you be getting the same vape?

Again, as I stated before, I'm speaking from ignorance, because I don't chase clouds. To me, that's not the point of vaping...I mean, I never lit up more than one cigarette to see how much nicotine and smoke I could handle!
So, can someone please tell me WHY 30 watts is so important? Are regulated mod fans trying to keep up with the (inherently dangerous) raw power of mech mods?

Do I have it all wrong? Do you not need higher wattage to vape lower ohm builds?
I have a general understanding of the electronic principles at work with coil building, and battery discharge...but I'm not an expert...not a cloud chaser...and not a risk taker! ("Risk" in reference to batteries venting and whatnot...)


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