Official ProVari 3 Thread - P3

[PLANofMAN]

Speaking of sticker shock, have you seen the prices some people charge for the cig-a-like kits? $200 is not unheard of.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

Speaking of sticker shock, have you seen the prices some people charge for the cig-a-like kits? $200 is not unheard of.

Lmao!!!! Yeah I paid 90 for my first attempt at quitting with a cigalike and when that didn't work decided, in a moment of sheer brilliance to pay another 160 for an eroll kit.
I do still use that from time to time with unflavored 24mg juice to get me past those "I need a cig" moments so I guess it wasn't that bad of a purchase. But still... that's a damn provari.

 

[HBcorpse]

I lucked out.
A friend of mine used to run VaporTalk dot com, and he hooked me up with a Joye eGo 650mAh, and some low res cartos...of course, this was almost 2 years before punched cartos with tanks...

Anyone remember those things? Non-punched cartos, and the eGo cones that went over them?


Sent from the bridge of my intergalactic star-cruiser, parked at the beach.

 

[JohnD0406]

Anyone remember those things? Non-punched cartos, and the eGo cones that went over them?

I remember them, but the closest thing I have now is...

 

[rondasherrill]

Everyone's entitled to their opinions. I felt the same way you did before I got into higher wattage builds. I'm not a "cloud chaser" - that crowd builds super sub-ohm builds (think less than 0.1 ohms) at extremely high wattages (think 100-500W). Everyone here who doesn't understand high wattages is hopefully about to gain some understanding.

"Cloud chasers" and "flavor chasers" are really achieving the same thing, though they act like 2 different crowds. Think about it - cloud chasers try to get as much vapor as possible to blow the biggest cloud. Flavor chasers try to get the most concentrated/dense vapor to get the best flavor. The only difference is volume - density is extremely similar between the two crowds. ...And that brings us to the single differentiating factor - time.

Cloud chasers get that big volume of dense vapor by using a combination of high airflow and high power over a short amount of time. Flavor chasers get a small volume of dense vapor over a longer amount of time. I can take an 8-second draw on a Kayfun at 14W, or a 2-second draw on a dripper at 55W and achieve exactly the same result. So, with the difference being time, the variables are airflow and wattage. The higher the wattage, the more airflow you need (and the thicker wire you need, as 32GA @ 55W would likely burn, while 28GA @ 55W does not).

I used 55W in this example because that's my sweet spot on my Origen dripper. The holes are not very big on the Origen, and it has a small air chamber, which makes it the dripping alternative to the Kayfun - both produce great flavor. My Origen build is currently 4 wraps of 28GA in a dual parallel coil configuration @ 0.32 ohms, which on a fresh charged 4.2V battery is 55W. I like an open draw - I can't stand tight draws. Some people like sucking golf balls through garden hoses - I prefer a more natural, unrestricted inhale. To each their own, right? BUT, whichever preference people have, dictates the airflow and power level they vape at.

While 14W is about right with many different builds I've done on the Kayfun, I'd really like to drill the airway a little bigger and vape at a higher power. The end result is exactly the same - same great flavor, same amount of vapor, just less time needed and an easier draw (but higher wattage needed to achieve that).





That's another danger of cloud chasing. I live in Southern California, so I guess I'm lucky in that I almost always have the windows open at least a little bit, so that's never a problem. That, and never be foolish to blow a cloud straight in front of yourself - blow it out the corner of your mouth towards the passenger side. As far as throat hit, that again depends on what I discussed above - time, airflow, power (besides the obvious nic level and PG ratio). I mix my own nic (100mg base added to 0mg juices), and only use 2mg on drippers. Same throat hit as 12mg on a more traditional/standard atomizer, and same intense flavor. Like you said, going higher would result in burned juice "on your setup". The same juice on a properly built dripper would give you the ability to more than quadruple the power and quarter the time needed to get the same vape experience.

Hope all that made sense to those who have never tried vaping at higher wattages.

That all made quite a lot of sense actually. I wasn't calculating the fact of needing the extra heat for multi-coil setups.

I honestly haven't felt a need to go multi-coil. I've been around the scene for a long time. Since before modders were using the PTN0405 booster, and I've tried just about every new "trick" in that time, but the time/effort pay-out for multi-coils just doesn't seem worth it to me. Not to mention how much faster you go through liquid and how much less battery life you get in those configurations. I can see where others might like it though.

I have thought about drilling out the airhole on my Kayfun a little bit as well. Even with the screw backed all the way out, the draw is still just a little tighter than I prefer to have. Would it help to widen the airhole on the side? I know the airhole goes to the vertical stem, and that can't be opened up any wider than it is.

 

[artbyshan]

If you speak German, this latest review may be extremely helpful. I don't, but at least it was cool to see more footage of the P3. This reviewer often times will upload an English review (Typically later).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klPtL1C5kKs

 

[Eidolon]

@vape360 I live in Alaska. Unfortunately there are no authorized Provape B&M vendors here. After the P3s release, how long until they become available online? Could there be an exemption for the location challenged individuals to order one?

 

[aikanae1]

I think most eGo vapers have sticker shock over price, because they never even consider the possibility of moving to bigger devices.
Say what you want, but a low-res carto on a VV eGo works pretty stinkin' well for a person coming off of analogs. I speak from experience. It creates a comfort zone, or security blanket.


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I think Ego users get tired of the repetitive costs, but I think most are happy to upgrade once they realize they can improve their vape AND get off the constant buying merry-go-round. For a lot of people that requires a b&m store nearby. You have to give them time to do the math first. It's hard to save up for something new while still needing to feed the habit with the old means.

 

[brickfollett]

A friend of my fiance has been using egos and the ce4 style clears since 2011. I let her try my provari/kayfun and my girls MVP/aero. While she choked with the provari(was too much Lol) she really enjoyed the mvp/Aero then got the look of total sticker shock at the price. When she heard the provari price I thought she would faint. I wonder how many "average vapers" have that mentality.

I was an average vaper before I purchased a Provari as well. I was using an Ego twist, and like your friend, I was shocked at the price point of the Provari. Then I did my research and unlike many in our community, I made the jump from an Ego to a Provari and didn't regret it in the slightest. I recognized that many people drop tons of money into inferior mods that break down frequently, and that was my rationale for spending that much money.

Same goes for my Reo Grand. Spendy, but worth it, and not a single regret about those dollars I don't have anymore

 

[slappy3139]

I lucked out.
A friend of mine used to run VaporTalk dot com, and he hooked me up with a Joye eGo 650mAh, and some low res cartos...of course, this was almost 2 years before punched cartos with tanks...

Anyone remember those things? Non-punched cartos, and the eGo cones that went over them?


Sent from the bridge of my intergalactic star-cruiser, parked at the beach.

Heh, heh, I quit smoking with those 650 mah egos with the ego cartos.[emoji41]

 

[Fir3b1rd]

I was an average vaper before I purchased a Provari as well. I was using an Ego twist, and like your friend, I was shocked at the price point of the Provari. Then I did my research and unlike many in our community, I made the jump from an Ego to a Provari and didn't regret it in the slightest. I recognized that many people drop tons of money into inferior mods that break down frequently, and that was my rationale for spending that much money.

Same goes for my Reo Grand. Spendy, but worth it, and not a single regret about those dollars I don't have anymore

My progression was stupid expensive.
At the time we had one vape shop and I was too ignorant to even consider looking online. So I knew absolutely Nothing. I finally discovered the online thing after I bought my first provari. Not to mention that was my only mod until the screen protector broke, then I went on mod shopping spree. I wish I would have thought to look online. I would have skipped the ego at least. I regret wasting money in those. The MVP was a good buy. Hell, It got me and my fiance off smokes and she loves it more than any of the mods I have,

 

[DingerCPA]

Absolutely not intended disrespectfully, but doesn't the logo of the new P3 look like it could pay homage to PBusardo?

Looks like a cool mod....

 

[protocol]

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So if someone is vaping at 30 watts, what kind of build are they likely to be using?
A quad coil 26g 0.6ohm?
Is that even a thing?

I do four wraps of 28g kanthal around a q-tip.

comes out to 0.8Ω, which is 22 watts on a mech (22w at 4.2v and 17w at 3.7v).


I wouldn't be surprised if the same four wraps with 26g kanthal, instead of 28g, came out around 30w.

so no, you don't have to do any crazy "stunt vaping" builds to get above 20w.


fwiw, the volume/size of the atomizer, airflow and drip tip (bore) is a BIG factor. I vaped around 7 watts on an MVP with iClear30 clearomizer. 11 watts, with that kind of airflow and drip tip, was even too much for me. so I wouldn't assume people above 20 or 30 watts are building blast furnaces in their atomizer. they might just be using a ton of airflow and/or wide bore drip tip. fwiw, I don't know anyone who likes to burn juice.
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[dam718]

Absolutely not intended disrespectfully, but doesn't the logo of the new P3 look like it could pay homage to PBusardo?

Looks like a cool mod....

I honestly wouldn't be surprised here... It does look a lot like a PB, and Phil has been one heck of an indirect salesman for ProVape. Phil also does their ProVari maintenance series videos. So it could very well be an homage to the one and only PBusardo

 

[dam718]

Oh, and the IGO-W isn't all that bad... Cheap, yes... But with a good coil build it's a great vape.

I use one with a SmokTech Magneto, and I love it...

For me, I think the ProVari has always been best suited for tank systems... I've been using mine lately with a Nautilus and it's been great, as usual. Also great for Carto users. Vivi Novas / ProTanks, also work great... For people that use these tank systems, the ProVari 3 will continue to be one of the best devices on the market to pair with them.

Maybe the trend is changing, but I'm not too sure the cloud chasing / flavor chasing is really all that interested in a regulated mod, to be honest. Those guys seem to place high praise on mechanicals. I wouldn't use my dripping setup on a regulated mod... FWIW...

 

[freshness]

Look what I just got! Going to set it up with my new Aethertech Orchid atty (think dual coil kayfun)

 

[HBcorpse]

Look what I just got! Going to set it up with my new Aethertech Orchid atty (think dual coil kayfun)

How in the blue blazes did you get this?


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[freshness]

How in the blue blazes did you get this?


Sent from the bridge of my intergalactic star-cruiser, parked at the beach.

I'm just kidding guys i'm just amazing at photoshop.

 

[JohnD0406]

I'm just kidding guys i'm just amazing at photoshop.

Kidding aside, that IS what the box looks like, so that is a real photo. I've played with the P3 enough to know what's 'shopped by now... So, are you a dealer, or did you offer your dealer an extraordinary amount of cash?

 

[HBcorpse]

I'm just kidding guys i'm just amazing at photoshop.

Yeah that ain't no photoshop job.


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