We should have some updates to this for the release. We are doing extensive battery testing in-house to qualify another cell brand that can be used, so once that is complete we will provide details.
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We should have some updates to this for the release. We are doing extensive battery testing in-house to qualify another cell brand that can be used, so once that is complete we will provide details.
I will, without question, be buying the P3 when available on-line. The nearest B&M is way to far for me to make the journey even though the reward would be great. As to color, I may rely on J-Wraps to dress it some. I have a bronze 2.5 that has an 18650 that I like quite well. However, I want to use watts not volts and like the ability to use flat batteries. [For fun I made a box with SX350 and prefer control by watts and a Sony battery.] I am unsure how much IQ would help me but one never knows until you get it. Might love it, might ignore it.
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Probably because the Panasonic and Sony batteries (to name just two) have proven to be very reliable, and their availability and price make them a good buy. I've been using the Panasonic 10A NCR18650PF (and PD) batteries in my DNA20 mods for over a year now with great results, and if I can use them in the P3 when it becomes available for general sale, then that's just a bonus.
I understand everyone has preferences, and would want to just swap batteries between devices...and if you've got all of one kind, why buy more of another right?
I should have expressed my thoughts this way:
I don't understand why someone would ignore such a strong recommendation from a high quality company, that produces such a high quality device...
And if I can use the phrase "high quality" any more times in one sentence, please tell me how and where...
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Ahem... replace "strong" with high quality.
I'm already set. The Provari was my first mod. Once I noticed the short overall lifespan of the average eGo, I jumped on the Provari, so ALL my batteries are AW IMR's. When I got started, that was just understood to be THE battery to use, in ANYTHING.
Try stretching out your spring a little. This will increase the contact to the battery and improve the IQ value. Like you mentioned, since the IQ is checking not only the battery, it can also go down if you don't have good contact on the bottom of the battery from your spring.
I did this with my flat top 18650 battery because the IQ rating said poor on my P3.
After I stretched the bottom spring the IQ rating went from 50 and poor to 82 and great.
Now that is awesome stuff. Thank you!
I don't like the P3 to be upset with me. LOL
So in the future are you going to update the Beta Versions after you bring out the version for public sale?
I would hate to let my P3 go to send it in though.
It is the best Vape EVAR!
Ahem... replace "strong" with high quality.
I'm already set. The Provari was my first mod. Once I noticed the short overall lifespan of the average eGo, I jumped on the Provari, so ALL my batteries are AW IMR's. When I got started, that was just understood to be THE battery to use, in ANYTHING.
It really still is THE battery to use...
However, mech modders like other batteries for their qualities...but using one of those types of batteries in a regulated mod won't do much of anything, except maybe have longer life per charge.
In reality, there are VERY few manufacturers making cells. Note that what we often call a "battery" is really a "cell". A "battery" is a collection of "cells". Moving along though, there's no need for ProVape to "qualify" other brands. Sony cells are used in a very wide variety of other product battery packs. Think electric cars like Tesla for example. Panasonic is another very high quality cell. Efest just rebrands other cells, but many different "brands" are made at the same factory.
In fact, "AW" (Andy Wan) doesn't make his own cells - he takes other manufacturers cells, tests them to ensure quality, and wraps them in red shrinkwrap and adds his holographic logo sticker. They could really be a Sony, Panasonic, Samsung, etc. Look at all the new cells coming out - VapePower, etc. Think new manufacturers are popping up? Nope - same manufacturer, different shrinkwrap.
So, really what ProVape should be recommending are name-brand cells, including Sony, AW, Panasonic, Samsung, etc. There's absolutely NO reason to stick with AW's. Like I said in a previous post, a 35A Sony VTC5 2600mAH is only gaining you 600mAH over an AW - the high amperage "feature" is a complete waste in the P3 with it's 5A limit, but it's not any better or any worse than any other high quality cell. I'd actually go for as high of a mAH rating as possible in a name brand IMR cell. You only need to worry about amp ratings in small cells like the 18350's - I don't think they make 18490/18500/18650's with less than 5A continuous draw rating.
ProVape's recommendation is far outdated. Back in the day, cells were much lower quality, and that's how Andy Wan got a name for himself with his "qualified" cells. Nowadays, it's pretty much a moot point. Just stay away from cloned cells (there are dangerous clones of every cell made, especially AW's and Sony's), and learn how to recognize the fakes - that's your best advice for safety.
I for one am really glad ProVape decided to let the P3 use flat-top cells, as now I can use my large collection of Sony, Samsung, Efest, and Panasonic cells, in addition to my AW's. The P2.5 and earlier (probably) didn't have electronic reverse polarity protection, which is why you needed a nipple-top cell like the AW - put it in upside down, and it doesn't make contact. Brilliant really, at the time. Now, times have changed, and so has ProVape - rightfully so.
Not so much for their closest "competition" - Evolve. Put a cell in upside down and you'll fry their board.
Thanks for the information...
However, a couple of points you got a little muddied on:
1. Provaris have always had reverse battery protection. That's one of their safety features, which are the highest selling points of any Provape product.
2. Provape's "outdated" recommendation is based on their extensive testing with ONE brand of cell. Being a company that puts safety before all else, their warning is essentially a disclaimer...
"Hey, we know there are other brands of batteries out there, but we've basically designed our whole device around this certain brand...so, IF you use a different brand, and something goes wrong, don't say we didn't recommend what we feel to be the best battery."
3. The capability of the P3, to use flat top and button top batteries alike, shows that Provape has stepped forward from their "outdated" battery stance. Also, not that many posts ago, Vape360 (who IS Provape) clearly stated that they are doing extensive in-house battery testing on other brands, so as to add more batteries to their recommendation list.
I'm not on the attack, or trying to shut anyone down. I'm just trying to make sure that all the information is out there, for anyone who may have less knowledge than we do.
Does anyone else find it amusing that the betas are selling for over $550 on eBay...wow that's a lot to save what I believe is a month
This is a good question. I would also like to know the answer to. Especially since I am sure people paid a premium to buy the Beta.
Respectfully, I certainly don't find the post by @JohnD0406 "muddied". It's actually a great post full of important details that help all of us. Thank you! Does it cover ever single issue with respect to bats in the P3 and ONLY this device. Of course not. That's an unrealistic expectation.
With respect to bats in the P3 and ONLY this device. First, it's about a clearly written and revised "guide" for users. That's the way I prefer to characterize it but I also don't have an issue with the term "outdated"
The other side of the coin so to speak is important to understand. I'm referring to a company only recommending a single bat from a single company. It's tricky with no perfect solution and always involves legal advice. I'm confident that ProVape is mature and smart enough to explore this situation: "You told me to use xxx bat and it exploded! I was seriously hurt and I'm going to sue you! Your single recommendation ads "credence" to my claim"
Obviously, I hope this never happens BUT I've paid for advice dealing with a similar issue in another industry and I'm not a member of the bar but still like to visit. On the other hand, you will OFTEN see companys/employees who are asked for recommendations list three and NEVER one for this exact reason.
So please permit me to rub my crystal ball. ProVape is evaluating/testing other bats. That's a good thing. This is 2014 and not 2010 and IMHO, the chances of ProVape only recommending (in writing/with the device) a single bat from a given company for the P3 and only the P3 are "slim to none". Isn't going to happen. Period.
With respect to bats in the P3 and ONLY this device. First, it's about a clearly written and revised "guide" for users. That's the way I prefer to characterize it but I also don't have an issue with the term "outdated"
The other side of the coin so to speak is important to understand. I'm referring to a company only recommending a single bat from a single company. It's tricky with no perfect solution and always involves legal advice. I'm confident that ProVape is mature and smart enough to explore this situation: "You told me to use xxx bat and it exploded! I was seriously hurt and I'm going to sue you! Your single recommendation ads "credence" to my claim"
Obviously, I hope this never happens BUT I've paid for advice dealing with a similar issue in another industry and I'm not a member of the bar but still like to visit. On the other hand, you will OFTEN see companys/employees who are asked for recommendations list three and NEVER one for this exact reason.
So please permit me to rub my crystal ball. ProVape is evaluating/testing other bats. That's a good thing. This is 2014 and not 2010 and IMHO, the chances of ProVape only recommending (in writing/with the device) a single bat from a given company for the P3 and only the P3 are "slim to none". Isn't going to happen. Period.
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Respectfully, I certainly don't find the post by @JohnD0406 "muddied". It's actually a great post full of important details that help all of us. Thank you! Does it cover ever single issue with respect to bats in the P3 and ONLY this device. Of course not. That's an unrealistic expectation.
With respect to bats in the P3 and ONLY this device. First, it's about a clearly written and revised "guide" for users. That's the way I prefer to characterize it but I also don't have an issue with the term "outdated"
The other side of the coin so to speak is important to understand. I'm referring to a company only recommending a single bat from a single company. It's tricky with no perfect solution and always involves legal advice. I'm confident that ProVape is mature and smart enough to explore this situation: "You told me to use xxx bat and it exploded! I was seriously hurt and I'm going to sue you! Your single recommendation ads "credence" to my claim"
Obviously, I hope this never happens BUT I've paid for advice dealing with a similar issue in another industry and I'm not a member of the bar but still like to visit. On the other hand, you will OFTEN see companys/employees who are asked for recommendations list three and NEVER one for this exact reason.
So please permit me to rub my crystal ball. ProVape is evaluating/testing other bats. That's a good thing. This is 2014 and not 2010 and IMHO, the chances of ProVape only recommending a single bat from a given company for the P3 and only the P3 are "slim to none". Isn't going to happen. Period.
I'm sorry, but if you're going to misquote me, allow me to correct you...
I said he had a couple of points muddied. And if you consider incorrect information to not be "muddy" then I don't know what to tell you. The incorrect info I am referring to is the reverse battery protection point. The other points I said were "muddied" were just semantics. Also, I was using the P3 as an example of Provape's movement forward in regards to using different batteries. I was not singling out the P3.
As far as the the legal stuff regarding the battery issue, Provape isn't TELLING anyone to use any battery. They are simply recommending a battery. Someone getting hurt because of a recommendation would not be Provape's liability issue. If the use of AW batteries was a strict instruction, then there would be an issue.
The Provari does not come with a battery. The user must purchase them separately.
If the battery fails, and hurts someone, that is the fault of the battery manufacturer.
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I never said they didn't - in fact, I said they did have reverse battery protection, however it was PHYSICAL. I said I doubted they had ELECTRONIC protection, thus the need for the nipple-top cells.
That's where you and many others go wrong. It's not "one brand" - it's a whole mix of brands with Andy Wan's red shrinkwrap and holographic sticker. Basically, ProVape is trusting his judgement and testing methods.
Exactly, which is what led to my comment about being totally unnecessary these days. But whatever, let them add a blurb to the manual. You'd be hard pressed to find a cell that's less than 5A, unless you strayed from IMR and went to ICR, or used some unknown brand. They simply need to say "use a well known name brand" and they've covered everything necessary. ALL work fine, and ALL are high quality, or we'd be having a lot of explosions in the hands of mechanicals/drippers, where the demand is insanely higher than a ProVari.
I am amused to death (as Roger Waters would say). I got mine from a very good shop, at a very reasonable price (possibly $10-ish less than I think they'll retail for). That's a shop I'll order from - one that does NOT try to screw their customers, even though they could have. But, that's the eBay mentality - pay double for something you could get at half the price.
I doubt it matters what anyone paid for the P3 - Think ProVape cares you spent $1000 on your P3, which you're not supposed to have? I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't honor the warranty or perform any upgrades from private owners - only the original purchaser (the shop that purchased it). It's not a consumer product, therefore they don't have to follow consumer rules. But, I hope they do offer flash (JTAG?) upgrades, for a fee of course (just like the v2). Time will tell, and I'm prepared to keep my P3 exactly how it is now, if that's how it turns out. It works fine for me, so not really a big deal.
Seems like a lot, but that listing also has a provari mini among other things with it... heck that mini alone would sell for 150 on the classifieds here. I would subtract that from the price
and then the other stuff................... an NO, I am not bidding on that and trying to justify it
According to previous posts, the diameter of the ProVari's seems to "vari" but average 22.7mm. I don't have a Magma, but if you measure your Magma with a micrometer, I'll do the same with my P3 when I get home from work late tonight.
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