Official ProVari 3 Thread - P3

[TheKiwi]

I would think that the lower limit, regardless of whether it's the amp, voltage or wattage, would be the limiting factor, judging from the way the v2.5 works. i.e. You won't be able to max out 6V on 1.2 ohms.

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[chadsmo]

Question for ProVape... If the VW mode is limited to 20W, and the VV mode is limited to 6V, and the device is limited to 5A, and it can fire down to 0.7ohms, wouldn't 6V on a 1.2ohm coil in VV mode give you 30W at 5A, or is there still a 20W limitation in there somehow? The math doesn't seem to add up. Thanks.

Exactly my thoughts, it should go to 30 watts because it's clearly capable and the 20 watt limit is purely artificial.

 

[Ozwald]

Question for ProVape... If the VW mode is limited to 20W, and the VV mode is limited to 6V, and the device is limited to 5A, and it can fire down to 0.7ohms, wouldn't 6V on a 1.2ohm coil in VV mode give you 30W at 5A, or is there still a 20W limitation in there somehow? The math doesn't seem to add up. Thanks.

I would think that the lower limit, regardless of whether it's the amp, voltage or wattage, would be the limiting factor, judging from the way the v2.5 works. i.e. You won't be able to max out 6V on 1.2 ohms.

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What the bird said. With the 2.5's it's not just one limit. If you exceed any of them individually, it won't fire. The 2.5 has a 3.5A limit *and* it has a 14.5w limit. At 2.9v you hit the limit at 3.5A. That only gives you a little more than 10w. At 5v you hit the 14.5w limit, which is only pulling 2.9A.

ETA: I made this chart based on the specs ProVape published: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/provape/589687-provari-rba-limits.html (post #9)

It also illustrates why sub-ohming on an accurate regulated device isn't the way to push the device further. The only point in sub-ohm builds is when you can't adjust the voltage to increase the power... i.e. mechs.

 

[aikanae1]

^ ^ ^ and that is the reason I don't sub-ohm. I have no idea what was said. LOL!

 

[protocol]

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Exactly my thoughts, it should go to 30 watts because it's clearly capable and the 20 watt limit is purely artificial.

and what do they mean re: "safety"?

are they talking about amperage?

cooking the liquid?

how do they determine what is safe/unsafe?

I find the 20w limit a bit bizarre. they're selling a product in an unregulated market for devices that are used as harm reduction tools.

five years from now I could see the industry having more information as to what is safe/unsafe, but aside from the obvious (super-high wattage, shoddy batteries, liquids with suspect chemicals, ridiculously high ratios of nicotine, etc), no one knows what is safe/unsafe. to anyone who doubts this, remember the cinnamon "scare" a few months back.

it will be interesting if, five years from now, it is determined that PG/VG (or whatever is used as a base, at the time) is stable at temperatures produced by 40 watts or, to go the other way, that they were unstable at temperatures produced above 10 watts.

how did ProVape come up with 20 watts, and if it's not an arbitrary number then why wasn't it 18.3 watts or 21.6 watts?
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[Relaxed5311]

Here ya go!

LOLOL

I would have to get one of these too...(maybe if we start a list it could happen?)

Relaxed5311 x 1

 

[jwbnyc]

In regards to the Provarinati P3.

If you have the whole mod to play with.. The Ambigram would fit.

Think about it.

 

[ENAUD]

Speaking of cheese, I haven't seen any mention of the top secret "cheese dispenser attachment" in this thread yet. Has this concept been totally abandoned?

 

[jwbnyc]

I don't think ProVape has any interest in getting into the current APV arms race.

It's a better ProVari. Not a Hana. Not an IPV. Not a VA Variant. A ProVari.

They've upped the power to where they are comfortable with it. They have obviously made a determination of what comprises safety for ProVape as a company, and have proceeded accordingly. Does anyone think that they could not have produced a device of whatever power they wanted to? Their choice was to not go there at this point and that is perfectly valid.

They've added some more useful features, in particular battery health monitoring, Boost, slightly higher amp limit, flat top batteries with reverse battery protection, possible hybrid options.. you pick your favorites.

Some folks are going to be really unhappy with their choices. I'm not one of them.

My only concern is that the menu is going to be incredibly fiddly with all the stuff that is going on there, but that may not be the case once it gets out and we get a chance to try it out.

Stay true to your school ProVari.

 

[Impulso]

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and what do they mean re: "safety"?

are they talking about amperage?

cooking the liquid?

how do they determine what is safe/unsafe?

I find the 20w limit a bit bizarre. they're selling a product in an unregulated market for devices that are used as harm reduction tools.

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I agree with this completely. I don't know where this limit of 20 watts came from? The limit doesn't matter to me at all (I don't go above 15w as a personal preference) but has me curious. It would be very interesting to find out what they think has the potential to be unsafe beyond that - at least from an educational standpoint.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

I don't think ProVape has any interest in getting into the current APV arms race.

It's a better ProVari. Not a Hana. Not an IPV. Not a VA Variant. A ProVari.

They've upped the power to where they are comfortable with it. They have obviously made a determination of what comprises safety for ProVape as a company, and have proceeded accordingly. Does anyone think that they could not have produced a device of whatever power they wanted to? Their choice was to not go there at this point and that is perfectly valid.

They've added some more useful features, in particular battery health monitoring, Boost, slightly higher amp limit, flat top batteries with reverse battery protection, possible hybrid options.. you pick your favorites.

Some folks are going to be really unhappy with their choices. I'm not one of them.

My only concern is that the menu is going to be incredibly fiddly with all the stuff that is going on there, but that may not be the case once it gets out and we get a chance to try it out.

Stay true to your school ProVari.

Im really glad they kept it at 1 button.
Its a nice subliminal way of telling the haters to go pound sand.
Personally as for power though, I would have liked to see a higher amp limit; but, we shall see, im sure they have their reasons, very curious to try it out.

 

[midficollege]

Thermodynamics : nothing is free. Everything increases entropy, in this case by electrical energy being converted into kinetic energy (heat). Heat is not good for circuitry.

If anything, your questions about the design as specified should be:

1. Why the funky battery meter rather than just showing voltage?

2. Did you consider doing a battery voltage bypass feature, a la SX-350, to save wear and tear on your circuitry while still allowing for the device to function at higher powers for advanced users?

It doesn't matter to me, I will use my regulated device with a tank of some sort while out and about, and if I really want to blow clouds, use a mech with a low resistance build in my Quasar while at home. But, having the ability to run it like a mech would increase its utility somewhat.

 

[bosun]

Is there any plan to transition new-build P2.5's to the newer cap system?

It would both improve the P2.5 with greater amounts of airflow when using devices that take air through the 510 connector (Cartotanks, clearomizers, most things other than RBAs) and improve the ecosystem for P3-threaded devices in the future.

I would probably be interested in a retro-fit for this too!

 

[Rancor0681]

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and what do they mean re: "safety"?

are they talking about amperage?

cooking the liquid?

how do they determine what is safe/unsafe?

I find the 20w limit a bit bizarre. they're selling a product in an unregulated market for devices that are used as harm reduction tools.

five years from now I could see the industry having more information as to what is safe/unsafe, but aside from the obvious (super-high wattage, shoddy batteries, liquids with suspect chemicals, ridiculously high ratios of nicotine, etc), no one knows what is safe/unsafe. to anyone who doubts this, remember the cinnamon "scare" a few months back.

it will be interesting if, five years from now, it is determined that PG/VG (or whatever is used as a base, at the time) is stable at temperatures produced by 40 watts or, to go the other way, that they were unstable at temperatures produced above 10 watts.

how did ProVape come up with 20 watts, and if it's not an arbitrary number then why wasn't it 18.3 watts or 21.6 watts?
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Simple it's the number they feel safe with mass production on the model. As stated already they have no interest in your power arms race. They figure better safe then sorry let someone else take the risk of blowing up in someone's face.

It's a real simple solution for ya though if your not happy with the power go buy something that makes you happy. The design and decision have been set it does no good to cry foul.

 

[Nodnerb]

Simple it's the number they feel safe with mass production on the model. As stated already they have no interest in your power arms race. They figure better safe then sorry let someone else take the risk of blowing up in someone's face.

It's a real simple solution for ya though if your not happy with the power go buy something that makes you happy. The design and decision have been set it does no good to cry foul.

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Exactly.
It is what it is. It will satisfy the majority of people and it is sufficient for pro vapes target audience for the device. If it is not sufficient for you then I guess you are not the target audience and should look at another device.

When looking for a new car you don't complain if the engine isn't big enough for you, you seek out another car that has the engine you want. Plain and simple.

 

[Moonbogg]

Regarding the 5amp limit, just a wild guess here but I think some batteries have a 5amp limit. Maybe they wanted to use that as the max so someone doesn't try to use a 5amp battery and pull 10 amps from it? Considering this device can accept 3 different sized batteries, I can see someone sticking a 5 amp battery in there and over discharging the thing and then blame Provape when it starts getting too hot or vents gas or goes KaboOOm or whatever.
Also, I think I will build my own topper for this. Nothing else will do other than the topper that's stuck between my ears.

 

[Clean Clouds]

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and what do they mean re: "safety"?

are they talking about amperage?

cooking the liquid?

how do they determine what is safe/unsafe?

I find the 20w limit a bit bizarre. they're selling a product in an unregulated market for devices that are used as harm reduction tools.

five years from now I could see the industry having more information as to what is safe/unsafe, but aside from the obvious (super-high wattage, shoddy batteries, liquids with suspect chemicals, ridiculously high ratios of nicotine, etc), no one knows what is safe/unsafe. to anyone who doubts this, remember the cinnamon "scare" a few months back.
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Sure no one knows for sure what is safe or not. But I'm sure their team of highly experienced engineers know way more than we do. And I'm sure they know what is and what isn't pushing the limits on safety. I doubt they just picked a random number and went with it, I'm sure their were plenty of tests and different limits before they finalized anything.

 

[HBcorpse]

Hey! Thanks to the folks that suggested the TapaTalk app!
Read the reviews on the App Store, and it seems like the current version is making everyone sad...so I'm gonna hold off!

Now, allow me to ask, what feels to me, a n00b-ish question...

What do ya'll mean when you say "topper"???

I'm imagining that you're talking about carto tanks, Kayfuns, drippers, etc...
But in case my imagination is nuts, I figured I'd ask!

Also, a question for Vape360:
(Or anyone who can answer)
Did I understand correctly, that the P3 has some kind of new/different threading, that may be leaning towards a new "standard" in atomizer threading?
Like...replacing the current 510 system that pretty much everything works on?
I understand that 510 devices will work on it, obviously...

I'm just confused by that, cuz I can't tell if it's just "future proofing" the device, or bracing the world for a new thing...

Either way, I'm glad you didn't just drop it on us, like Apple with the Lightning charger/port...

 

[Ozwald]

Hey! Thanks to the folks that suggested the TapaTalk app!
Read the reviews on the App Store, and it seems like the current version is making everyone sad...so I'm gonna hold off!

Now, allow me to ask, what feels to me, a n00b-ish question...

What do ya'll mean when you say "topper"???

I'm imagining that you're talking about carto tanks, Kayfuns, drippers, etc...
But in case my imagination is nuts, I figured I'd ask!

Also, a question for Vape360:
(Or anyone who can answer)
Did I understand correctly, that the P3 has some kind of new/different threading, that may be leaning towards a new "standard" in atomizer threading?
Like...replacing the current 510 system that pretty much everything works on?
I understand that 510 devices will work on it, obviously...

I'm just confused by that, cuz I can't tell if it's just "future proofing" the device, or bracing the world for a new thing...

Either way, I'm glad you didn't just drop it on us, like Apple with the Lightning charger/port...

I can't answer officially, obviously, but from watching the video it looks to serve 3 purposes. Future proofing would be one of them, since you can take off the 510 'adapter' & replace it with whatever is next to come down the pike. User-end repair, in the off case your threads get damaged, they can easily be replaced with a small, inexpensive part you can swap out yourself with no technical know-how. Versatility, with the potential for different exterior rings to match tapers or different aesthetics and the like.

 

[Rancor0681]

Hey! Thanks to the folks that suggested the TapaTalk app!
Read the reviews on the App Store, and it seems like the current version is making everyone sad...so I'm gonna hold off!

Now, allow me to ask, what feels to me, a n00b-ish question...

What do ya'll mean when you say "topper"???

I'm imagining that you're talking about carto tanks, Kayfuns, drippers, etc...
But in case my imagination is nuts, I figured I'd ask!

Also, a question for Vape360:
(Or anyone who can answer)
Did I understand correctly, that the P3 has some kind of new/different threading, that may be leaning towards a new "standard" in atomizer threading?
Like...replacing the current 510 system that pretty much everything works on?
I understand that 510 devices will work on it, obviously...

I'm just confused by that, cuz I can't tell if it's just "future proofing" the device, or bracing the world for a new thing...

Either way, I'm glad you didn't just drop it on us, like Apple with the Lightning charger/port...

I've got the latest version of Tapatalk and I love it had 0 issues with it