Official ProVari 3 Thread - P3
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Pretty hilarious listening to this video, but a couple things I noticed:
1. A VTC4/5 IS an IMR battery. IMR is a battery type, not a brand. Therefore the VTC4/5 is supported.
2. If the battery is getting hot, something it wrong.
3. The 510 connector will stay in place if it's tightened down with a coin, according to most reports.
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Went by my local B&M Provape Dealer here in WA and they said the P3 is for sale is this true or was the employee I talked to mixed up? Also there was a guy there who got one from Provape at the vape meet this weekend in Seattle is it true is it hitting the market? Any updated info you can give Vape360 would be appreciated!
Here's another store selling Betas:
The New ProVari P3
"Provari P3 Diamond Shape Etched Collector's Edition"
The New ProVari P3
"Provari P3 Diamond Shape Etched Collector's Edition"
Here's another store selling Betas:
The New ProVari P3
"Provari P3 Diamond Shape Etched Collector's Edition"
Ya know, it's not even that they are selling Beta models...whatever. It's just a shame that they would label it as something it's not.
If anyone is foolish enough to believe it is a "Collector's Edition", they deserve to pay a highly inflated price. And I know that sounds mean, but all they have to do is a simple Google search, to find out that there is no such "Collector's Edition"...
Shame on this store/site for flat out LYING.
Why can't people just be honest? The P3 Beta is already the more mysterious/rare version right?
Oh well. I hope people are smart enough to not fall for it.
I'd hate to see someone get scammed.
Sent from under a storm drain, while I wait for the pizza dude to get here.
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People are gullible and stores don't tell the truth. Just a couple posts above is someone asking Provape to answer if they're now available, when just yesterday Provape responded on this very thread that they're not and we need to be patient.
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I wouldn't exactly go calling me gullible because if you had read my post the other person I talked to acquired his P3 direct from Provape during the meet here in Seattle(in Provape's backyard) this weekend so I didn't think it would hurt to ask. I just wanted to make sure I didn't miss something during the event this weekend.
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I wonder how ProVape will handle warranty related issues with the betas, considering you're not supposed to have one...
Sorry. Wasn't being critical of you. At least not on purpose. But you have to admit Provape wrote last night that they're not yet available and we need to be patient.
If something changed between last night and today. I'd certainly be surprised AND happy!
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Sorry I didn't see that my line of work I don't have time to read through the last couple days posts(also why I couldn't make it to the meet this weekend). Trust me I know patience when it come to Provape I've been a customer of their's the orginal ProVari V1 pre order I know they are making sure to get the units perfect before they release.
I get it. Many of us are trying to be patient, but some like me, not too successfully! LOL
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A tip for ProVape 'returning customers' who plan to purchase P3s direct:
Remember to check your Rewards Points. I just did and got a nice surprise.
Remember to check your Rewards Points. I just did and got a nice surprise.
I think Rip must be that guys hero, lol. He looks like he is trying to emulate Rip, and beat him to a review. He does have some bad info in his review though, like firing down to 0.5ohms. It fires to 0.7. And you are right Rhonda, using a coin to tighten the 510 adapter eliminates the adapter coming off with the atty and this becomes a complete non-issue. To be fair regarding his battery comments, there is a warning paper on top of the beta device when you open the box that says "Use only the approved AW IMR red high drain battery in this device". I think this warning should probably be changed to remove the AW since the documentation says there will be a list of approved batteries on Provape's site and they also state the use of flat top batteries is OK. I have only seen button top AW IMR 18650s and if AW makes a flat top IMR I'm not aware of it. Maybe Provape hadn't completed their battery testing on other brands at the time of the beta shipping out and just wanted to make sure a well tested battery type was being used for the beta. That would make sense for the beta period.
Seeing the positive battery connection on the board as a negative doesn't make sense either, Provaris have always done this (other mods do this also) and I think this is important to be able to more accurately monitor the battery condition and control regulation. It also keeps the device small I would imagine. Since this has never been a problem area for Provaris (in fact it is a feature that helps regulation and reliability by having fewer points of failure and resistance) I just think this comment of his probably should have been a positive instead.
I agree with you about the battery getting hot. I think he mentioned the air hole in the bottom to keep the spring cool. What?? This isn't a mech and as long as an approved battery is used I just can't see the spring or battery getting hot at even the 20watt level. At least I've never experienced this from the P3, and I've been using the P3 for a week now with lots of different toppers in different ohm ranges.
Anyway, that is what I consider a fluff review... lots of hip verbage, not a lot of accuracy, and not much detail. But I guess even this is valuable for Provape since they will be able to address some of his misconceptions in the manual for the final product. For example, the coin trick for tightening the 510 adapter is brilliant engineering. Once you see the way the adapter is made with some tiny little indents in the air flow channel right next to the inside threads... that happen to fit a penny or dime perfectly, you realize this is a feature not a bug. The problem is this is not mentioned in the manual (at least I never found it) and needs to be so people are aware of the simple, elegant solution. I'm sure the final manual will include that tip.
I leave the forum for a couple of months and BAM the P3 pops up.
It is indeed an impressive looking device, much more impressive then the Evolv Innokin SVD 2.
Two completely different target markets. I get it.
The reason I've been away is that I've been vaping a LOT less. Not because of anything wrong, but because vaping has done exactly what I wanted it to do. I don't smoke anymore, and at 0mg nicotine, I don't vape as much either.
A year ago I would have been overjoyed at this device. Now I'm almost "meh". Not because it's not impressive, it's just I don't have the need for anything more.
I'm totally satisfied with my Kayfun and Provari 2.5's. I just don't see myself investing any more serious coin in a practice that within a year I may not be doing.
My only sadness is that the P3 is likely to drive used p2.5 prices down.... (grin)
(having said that, Anyone who knows me knows I've just jinxed myself into getting a P3. Hopefully I'll be safe until I actually hold one..........).
It is indeed an impressive looking device, much more impressive then the Evolv Innokin SVD 2.
Two completely different target markets. I get it.
The reason I've been away is that I've been vaping a LOT less. Not because of anything wrong, but because vaping has done exactly what I wanted it to do. I don't smoke anymore, and at 0mg nicotine, I don't vape as much either.
A year ago I would have been overjoyed at this device. Now I'm almost "meh". Not because it's not impressive, it's just I don't have the need for anything more.
I'm totally satisfied with my Kayfun and Provari 2.5's. I just don't see myself investing any more serious coin in a practice that within a year I may not be doing.
My only sadness is that the P3 is likely to drive used p2.5 prices down.... (grin)
(having said that, Anyone who knows me knows I've just jinxed myself into getting a P3. Hopefully I'll be safe until I actually hold one..........).
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Thanks Jazzman. All well said, from my view.
I also have an additional perspective -- The guy said many positive notes and didn't trash near as much as I may have expected. Even with his new age style of communicating on videos, he couldn't help but admire it. It seems it's the first time he's had any ProVari for a week and was quite impressed.
Perhaps the newer vapers have never used a device that a few clicks will turn on?
I just had to laugh when he talked about the "hottie tottie" vaper. Me?
I also have an additional perspective -- The guy said many positive notes and didn't trash near as much as I may have expected. Even with his new age style of communicating on videos, he couldn't help but admire it. It seems it's the first time he's had any ProVari for a week and was quite impressed.
Perhaps the newer vapers have never used a device that a few clicks will turn on?
I just had to laugh when he talked about the "hottie tottie" vaper. Me?
It seems like this thread is screaming for some data from this device, so over the weekend I collected some data and threw it in a chart. Initially I was interested in what the HotShot Boost was doing so decided to do some testing to see if I could determine what was going on with this feature. Before I knew it I had enough data to give a glimpse of not only the boost feature, but show the level of accuracy across a fair sampling of the P3s regulation range. The data is not complete enough to provide a full mapping of the of the P3. I didn't collect this data for the purpose of posting it here, it was just for me to see what was going on with the P3, but after looking at the data I thought it was interesting enough to post here. I included the data table so you can all massage the data any way you like and form your own conclusions.
Please bear in mind this is a beta device and Provape may change the device or programming before the final retail release to be even more accurate (if that is even possible), so this is just an indication of what the beta P3 is doing.
I did this test with an inline volt meter, so while trying to be as accurate as possible I'm sure it's not as accurate as a scope, which I don't have. But even with just an inline meter I'm very surprised at the accuracy of the P3.
WARNING: If you have an aversion to charts that show extreme accuracy please do not view the attached chart!
I tried just attaching this file as both a PDF (not a supported file type for ECF) and as a jpg which worked but was way too small to see detail. So Here is a link to a Drop Box folder that you can view and download the PDF. Let me know if you have any questions.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/a5g1mxm3z2w27zx/Beta P3 Voltage Test in Wattage Mode.pdf?dl=0
Please bear in mind this is a beta device and Provape may change the device or programming before the final retail release to be even more accurate (if that is even possible), so this is just an indication of what the beta P3 is doing.
I did this test with an inline volt meter, so while trying to be as accurate as possible I'm sure it's not as accurate as a scope, which I don't have. But even with just an inline meter I'm very surprised at the accuracy of the P3.
WARNING: If you have an aversion to charts that show extreme accuracy please do not view the attached chart!
I tried just attaching this file as both a PDF (not a supported file type for ECF) and as a jpg which worked but was way too small to see detail. So Here is a link to a Drop Box folder that you can view and download the PDF. Let me know if you have any questions.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/a5g1mxm3z2w27zx/Beta P3 Voltage Test in Wattage Mode.pdf?dl=0
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Thank you, that answered a lot of questions i have.
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If any of you have the chance, try this device at a local shop and test out the boost feature. I'm using a Nautilus w/BVC at 12watts and with the HotShot boost at the 2B setting (out of 5) I'm getting the same amount of vapor as if I was at 17watts non-boost. It really does seem to make that amount of difference. Of course, that's with taking the same duration vape, but it doesn't risk a burned hit like I occasionally get at 17 non-boost. Downside is it does seem to use the battery a little quicker, which makes sense since you're firing at a higher voltage for a short duration. I don't really have any data to prove that, just an impression that the battery doesn't last quite as long although I'm sure it's lasting longer than if I vaped at 17watts. So I feel like I'm getting the vape of 17watts, but using just a little above 12watt battery power. OK, I guess that's a fair trade off. This subjective though, but I'd be interested if anyone else has noticed this.
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