Official ProVari 3 Thread - P3

[HBcorpse]

I saw this commercial, and I couldn't help but envision Provape making their own version, with the same message...
It really makes sense...
Just wait for the two lines at the end.
http://youtu.be/FM7PcYMH67c


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[rbrylawski]

If any of you have the chance, try this device at a local shop and test out the boost feature. I'm using a nautilus w/BVC at 12watts and with the HotShot boost at the 2B setting (out of 5) I'm getting the same amount of vapor as if I was at 17watts non-boost. It really does seem to make that amount of difference. Of course, that's with taking the same duration vape, but it doesn't risk a burned hit like I occasionally get at 17 non-boost. Downside is it does seem to use the battery a little quicker, which makes sense since you're firing at a higher voltage for a short duration. I don't really have any data to prove that, just an impression that the battery doesn't last quite as long although I'm sure it's lasting longer than if I vaped at 17watts. So I feel like I'm getting the vape of 17watts, but using just a little above 12watt battery power. OK, I guess that's a fair trade off. This subjective though, but I'd be interested if anyone else has noticed this.

In my mini review of the P3 posted in this thread from Saturday, I commented the boost feature is simply AWESOME! I vape on the Nautilus BVC 1.8 ohm coils at 4.4 volts and with the boost on the vapor was significantly enhanced.

 

[aikanae1]

I sorta suspected "it's the watts!" wasn't going to define P3 very well.

 

[HBcorpse]

I really wish I could review a P3, but I can't...

However, I suspect that even with the Boost Mode off, the P3 has a faster heat up time for coils...
Something tells me the P3's chip is able to deliver power a LOT more easily, and accurately.
I wouldn't be surprised to have someone agree with me on this...so, for all you that are having some time with the P3, let me know!!! Maybe try your previous Provari side by side with the P3...I'm more than sure you'll notice it.

By the way...I'm just speculating, based on what I gathered from Jazzman's chart.

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[Jazzman]

In my mini review of the P3 posted in this thread from Saturday, I commented the boost feature is simply AWESOME! I vape on the Nautilus BVC 1.8 ohm coils at 4.4 volts and with the boost on the vapor was significantly enhanced.

Good call on that RB. The boost feature is hard to describe as far as vape quality I guess, but the difference is quite noticeable and not a placebo. There is a real benefit to using it if your vaping profile falls in the boost area of the chart.

 

[Train2]

Awesome sauce _ thank you!!!!

it seems like this thread is screaming for some data from this device, so over the weekend i collected some data and threw it in a chart. Initially i was interested in what the hotshot boost was doing so decided to do some testing to see if i could determine what was going on with this feature. Before i knew it i had enough data to give a glimpse of not only the boost feature, but show the level of accuracy across a fair sampling of the p3s regulation range. The data is not complete enough to provide a full mapping of the of the p3. I didn't collect this data for the purpose of posting it here, it was just for me to see what was going on with the p3, but after looking at the data i thought it was interesting enough to post here. I included the data table so you can all massage the data any way you like and form your own conclusions.

Please bear in mind this is a beta device and provape may change the device or programming before the final retail release to be even more accurate (if that is even possible), so this is just an indication of what the beta p3 is doing.

I did this test with an inline volt meter, so while trying to be as accurate as possible i'm sure it's not as accurate as a scope, which i don't have. But even with just an inline meter i'm very surprised at the accuracy of the p3.

warning: If you have an aversion to charts that show extreme accuracy please do not view the attached chart!

i tried just attaching this file as both a pdf (not a supported file type for ecf) and as a jpg which worked but was way too small to see detail. So here is a link to a drop box folder that you can view and download the pdf. Let me know if you have any questions.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/a5g1mxm3z2w27zx/beta p3 voltage test in wattage mode.pdf?dl=0

 

[rondasherrill]

I just saw a thread in another subforum about Evolv getting a patent on VW, that should go through next month. What are the chances of that affecting the P3?

 

[HBcorpse]

I just saw a thread in another subforum about Evolv getting a patent on VW, that should go through next month. What are the chances of that affecting the P3?

How in the world can someone PATENT a force of electrical power?
They're trying to patent the actual OPTION of a mod having variable wattage settings?
That's completely asinine.


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[HBcorpse]

I just saw a thread in another subforum about Evolv getting a patent on VW, that should go through next month. What are the chances of that affecting the P3?

Can you link the thread please?


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[rondasherrill]

Can you link the thread please?


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http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...on/597664-evolv-patents-variable-wattage.html

Also, I'm not sure how kosher it is to link to other forums, but you will see it alot from this google search: https://www.google.com/search?q=evo...3.9321j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8

 

[The Ocelot]

Found this video review and the guy just loves the P3. I'm not sure how he'll use the menu settings as he's blind, but he really likes it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrLm_0RXlrQ

Just don't buy juice from him (Richard Goddeau). {Shudder} Google is your friend.

 

[HBcorpse]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...on/597664-evolv-patents-variable-wattage.html

Also, I'm not sure how kosher it is to link to other forums, but you will see it alot from this google search: https://www.google.com/search?q=evo...3.9321j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8

As long as it's on the ECF I'm sure it's perfectly kosher!
Now, I'm off to read!
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[rondasherrill]

As long as it's on the ECF I'm sure it's perfectly kosher!
Now, I'm off to read!
Thank youuuuuuu! [emoji3][emoji3][emoji3][emoji3][emoji3]


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The first link is. The google search reveals the forum it was originally(as far as I can tell) posted, and you can even find the patent application.

 

[JohnD0406]

Something tells me the P3's chip is able to deliver power a LOT more easily, and accurately.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but based on the stopwatch, without the burst mode, my ProVari 2.5 fires about 1/10th of a second slower than the P3. Hardly anything to consider a relevant improvement.

As far as accuracy, based on Phil Busardo's test of the ProVari 2.5, there *WAS* no room for improvement - it was deadly accurate already.

EDIT: It's really hard to improve upon perfection - it's only possible to perfect additional features. Burst mode is one such feature.

 

[HBcorpse]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but based on the stopwatch, without the burst mode, my ProVari 2.5 fires about 1/10th of a second slower than the P3. Hardly anything to consider a relevant improvement.

As far as accuracy, based on Phil Busardo's test of the ProVari 2.5, there *WAS* no room for improvement - it was deadly accurate already.

No bubbles being burst here! It was all speculation!

From what I've read about the Boost mode, it fires at a slightly higher voltage/wattage, for only a fraction of a second or longer, depending on the level you set it at...

I was pretty sure I saw a post where someone described it like this:

Level 1: 0.25 sec
Level 2: 0.50 sec
Level 3: 0.75 sec
Level 4: 1.00 sec
Level 5: 1.25 sec

So, based on your stopwatch, that would mean that at Level 0, the P3 would still be delivering more voltage/wattage to the atomizer faster than the v2.5...
I've read speculations of others (or perhaps an explanation from Provape themselves? :memory that the P3's Hotshot Boost mode will deliver more of a mech mod experience, from the same quality and safety of a Provape regulated mod!
Either way, it sounds pretty awesome to me!


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[dam718]

When you say it applies the power "faster" I think that there is some confusion in that statement.

I press my button on a V2/2.5 and power gets applied to the coil right away... No perceivable delays

Press the button on a P3 and power gets applied to the coil right away... No perceivable delays

So, from a speed perspective, they apply power to the coil at the exact same rate... Does the P3 apply more power? Yes, with Boost enabled... (Who knows how much more power? I can't read the chart that was posted earlier) But it doesn't do it any faster... They both apply power the instant the button is pushed. To say the P3 does it faster would suggest that the V2/2.5 has a noticeable delay from the time you press the button to the time it applies power.

Make sense?

 

[HBcorpse]

When you say it applies the power "faster" I think that there is some confusion in that statement.

I press my button on a V2/2.5 and power gets applied to the coil right away... No perceivable delays

Press the button on a P3 and power gets applied to the coil right away... No perceivable delays

So, from a speed perspective, they apply power to the coil at the exact same rate... Does the P3 apply more power? Yes, with Boost enabled... (Who knows how much more power? I can't read the chart that was posted earlier) But it doesn't do it any faster... They both apply power the instant the button is pushed. To say the P3 does it faster would suggest that the V2/2.5 has a noticeable delay from the time you press the button to the time it applies power.

Make sense?

Makes perfect sense...
And I see where my wording muddied up my speculative point...

You're right...faster implies the wrong thing.
Maybe I can try to lay it out like this...

P3 vs. v2.5 (in regards to Boost Mode)

v2.5 - No Boost

P3 - Level 0: 0.25 seconds of higher (hotter) voltage/wattage than a v2.5
Level 1: 0.50 sec
Level 2: 0.75 sec
Level 3: 1.00 sec
Level 4: 1.25 sec
Level 5: 1.50 sec

Ok, I'm not even sure I understand what I just said...but does that work?
Maybe the P3 with no Boost enabled, is by default, a Boost over the v2.5?


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[The Ocelot]

So what's being said is, ummm..., like if you have the voltage set at 4.1, when fired it would actually fire at perhaps 4.2 for a fraction of a second?

 

[rondasherrill]

So what's being said is, ummm..., like if you have the voltage set at 4.1, when fired it would actually fire at perhaps 4.2 for a fraction of a second?

I don't think we know the exact numbers(I didn't look too closely at the chart). but yea. That way it gets the coil up to full temp faster. Even if you don't readily percieve it, there is a ramp up between pressing the button, and the coil getting as hot as it's going to get.

 

[The Ocelot]

I don't think we know the exact numbers(I didn't look too closely at the chart). but yea. That way it gets the coil up to full temp faster. Even if you don't readily percieve it, there is a ramp up between pressing the button, and the coil getting as hot as it's going to get.

That's how I imagined it (as I'm taking primary puffs on my mechanical).

I just thought of another thing I wish it had: interchangeable tops - tapered and flat that could be screwed on depending on which one you wanted.