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Description says Samsung battery, so 25R?
I know it does and that's why I asked. He said in an earlier post they didn't want anyone using inferior batteries, but I think he did say (I'd have to go back through the posts) that an LG would be OK. I would expect that the AW 18650 3000mAH battery is as good as the Samsung at a minimum.
Went back through the posts and found where he mentioned this: Official ProVari Procyon Page
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I love my P3 but I use my Radius every day all day. I am really interested in the Procyon though. It's so tempting. Arrrrgh!!
There's a guy in my office who's been asking me if I'd sell him my P3. Until this was announced, I simply would not consider it. But now that Procyon is out, even though I don't need a 50 watt mod, I may go ahead and sell him my P3 and get the Procyon. I just might. Yes I might.......
Pronunciation of procyon - how to pronounce procyon correctly.
Oh well, I read it as Pro Sigh On, with the emphasis on the Si.
Curious as to how ProVape has been saying it....
Oh well, I read it as Pro Sigh On, with the emphasis on the Si.
Curious as to how ProVape has been saying it....
For once, it's a dang good thing I'm broke. That Stealth is sweet.
And it would be nice to have a tube device that would fire my .7-.5's at more than 15W without giving me an error ...
And it would be nice to have a tube device that would fire my .7-.5's at more than 15W without giving me an error ...
some are still trying to figure out how to pronounce ProVari 
kinda like tomatoe tomatto
kinda like tomatoe tomatto
I am of the mind of @jwbnyc and others. It looks nice. But, my Radi are done in way less than a day. Why 40 watts anyway on Radius? People getting off cigs are a lot lower. Hobbyists are running a lot higher. But, it did bring in the box-mod crowd. Now, one comes out that goes to 50 watts and still one battery.
And, now that I have finally decided that I don't want to walk around with an oxygen tank, but my eyes are aging quicker, the screen stays small. There ARE a lot of potential buyers if their was a larger screen. It makes me wonder what the intended audience is, 17 and below? But, it does look nice, that it does.
These items were brought up and @Vape360 replied that the necessary re-tooling would be costly. The $200+, how is that being allocated, where is that going?
Granted, it is a good-looking tube-style mod. For me, at my age, and non-smoking interest, it just doesn't fit the bill.
And, now that I have finally decided that I don't want to walk around with an oxygen tank, but my eyes are aging quicker, the screen stays small. There ARE a lot of potential buyers if their was a larger screen. It makes me wonder what the intended audience is, 17 and below? But, it does look nice, that it does.
These items were brought up and @Vape360 replied that the necessary re-tooling would be costly. The $200+, how is that being allocated, where is that going?
Granted, it is a good-looking tube-style mod. For me, at my age, and non-smoking interest, it just doesn't fit the bill.
The Procyon does not have the visible IQ reading. We have not had any issues with that, but it doesn't hurt to use a tiny amount of No-ox on the threads if you choose.
There is a spring under the dome cap that soaks up the added space, but you won't have to replace the spring or adjust it.
I don't think there is a wrong answer. How about, you can call it whatever you want, we won't mind
Here's a little more info -Vape360 said that it will work with P3, or 2.5's.
2.5 - Since those use a button top battery, 18350 mode won't allow for the new cap as you will not be able to screw it on all the way since the button top takes up all the extra room. It will still work, just won't sit flush.
P3 with or without extension rings will work fine. It can also depend on the type of battery being used. While the HP end cap has compression, it only has a certain amount of travel to soak up the difference.
Pronunciation of procyon - how to pronounce procyon correctly.
Oh well, I read it as Pro Sigh On, with the emphasis on the Si.
Curious as to how ProVape has been saying it....
wow.
There's an app for that.
What is the internal resistance of this cell?
We don't have any to test at the moment, but if its between 20-24milliohm (lower is better) it should be ok. If the internal resistance gets over 25mohm and you want to push it to 50 watts, this can cause too much voltage drop. It's critical that you use a GOOD battery if you are going to use it at higher power.
If you are only vaping at 10-30 watts, it's probably fine.
Another great option would be the LG HG2 3000 mah. Those have a internal resistance of around 20.4 which is really good.
Some great info if you are into details
Battery Internal Resistance Effect on rated Battery Capacity and Performance
Devices such as personal vaporizers require a lot of energy to perform properly and provide the desired experience. In many cases, the importance of using the right battery for this type of application is not fully understood or appreciated.
Common misconceptions include:
1. Only battery size matters. Any 18650 battery should work as well as any other. Purchase the least expensive battery you can, because it doesn’t matter.
2. mA-Hr ratings determine how much available energy the battery has. You should always expect 50% more battery life from a 3000mA-Hr battery than a 2000mA-Hr battery.
3. Current ratings of batteries are not an important parameter, only mA-H rating.
From an electrical engineering standpoint, a simple model of a battery can be represented by a voltage source in series with a resistor that represents the battery’s internal resistance, as shown below:
3.7Vdc Battery
This example shows a 3.7Vdc single cell battery. As current flows from the battery, voltage drop occurs across the battery internal resistance, lowering the effective battery voltage available at the battery terminals. This drop can be predicted by Ohm’s Law:
Voltage Drop(BATTERY) = Battery Current x Internal Resistance
An ideal battery would have an internal resistance of 0 Ohms. In this case, as the battery provides power, there is no drop across the internal resistance (in the equation above, any current times “0” internal resistance = “0” voltage drop) and the battery maintains full rated nameplate voltage available at the terminals, at any load up to its rated output current. Batteries however are not ideal and this internal resistance is a major factor in battery performance.
This type of battery, when fully charged and operated under a light load, will maintain close to 3.7 Vdc until the battery charge is depleted. However when driving devices such as personal vaporizers that require a heavier load such as 10 amps or more, the effects of internal resistance become very pronounced and important.
These batteries typically have an internal resistance between 20mW and 60mW. Using a 10A draw as an example, the drop produced by this internal resistance would be:
1. @ 20mW this drop would be:
Voltage Drop(BATTERY) = Battery Current x Internal Resistance
= 10Adc x 0.020W = 0.2Vdc
2. @ 60mW this drop would be:
Voltage Drop(BATTERY) = Battery Current x Internal Resistance
= 10Adc x 0.060W = 0.6Vdc
As is shown, at 10 amps of discharge current, the battery with an internal resistance of 60mW develops 0.6V of internal drop. Subtracting this from the 3.7 Vdc nominal voltage, puts the battery output voltage at 3.1 Vdc. Many devices cutoff and display “battery end of life” near 3.0 Vdc, so there is not much usable battery life when discharged at 10 amps.
In contrast, the battery with an internal resistance of 20mW develops only 0.2V of internal drop at 10 amp discharge, leaving the battery output voltage at 3.5 Vdc and allowing most of the usable energy in the battery to be utilized.
Internal impedance and current ratings of batteries are closely related and very important in situations where currents of 10 amps or more may be required from a battery of this type. Without good low internal resistance, battery capacity in mA-Hrs is much less meaningful, because the battery will reach the end of life cutoff well before the nameplate capacity is used.
Battery Internal Resistance Effect on rated Battery Capacity and Performance
Devices such as personal vaporizers require a lot of energy to perform properly and provide the desired experience. In many cases, the importance of using the right battery for this type of application is not fully understood or appreciated.
Common misconceptions include:
1. Only battery size matters. Any 18650 battery should work as well as any other. Purchase the least expensive battery you can, because it doesn’t matter.
2. mA-Hr ratings determine how much available energy the battery has. You should always expect 50% more battery life from a 3000mA-Hr battery than a 2000mA-Hr battery.
3. Current ratings of batteries are not an important parameter, only mA-H rating.
From an electrical engineering standpoint, a simple model of a battery can be represented by a voltage source in series with a resistor that represents the battery’s internal resistance, as shown below:
3.7Vdc Battery
This example shows a 3.7Vdc single cell battery. As current flows from the battery, voltage drop occurs across the battery internal resistance, lowering the effective battery voltage available at the battery terminals. This drop can be predicted by Ohm’s Law:
Voltage Drop(BATTERY) = Battery Current x Internal Resistance
An ideal battery would have an internal resistance of 0 Ohms. In this case, as the battery provides power, there is no drop across the internal resistance (in the equation above, any current times “0” internal resistance = “0” voltage drop) and the battery maintains full rated nameplate voltage available at the terminals, at any load up to its rated output current. Batteries however are not ideal and this internal resistance is a major factor in battery performance.
This type of battery, when fully charged and operated under a light load, will maintain close to 3.7 Vdc until the battery charge is depleted. However when driving devices such as personal vaporizers that require a heavier load such as 10 amps or more, the effects of internal resistance become very pronounced and important.
These batteries typically have an internal resistance between 20mW and 60mW. Using a 10A draw as an example, the drop produced by this internal resistance would be:
1. @ 20mW this drop would be:
Voltage Drop(BATTERY) = Battery Current x Internal Resistance
= 10Adc x 0.020W = 0.2Vdc
2. @ 60mW this drop would be:
Voltage Drop(BATTERY) = Battery Current x Internal Resistance
= 10Adc x 0.060W = 0.6Vdc
As is shown, at 10 amps of discharge current, the battery with an internal resistance of 60mW develops 0.6V of internal drop. Subtracting this from the 3.7 Vdc nominal voltage, puts the battery output voltage at 3.1 Vdc. Many devices cutoff and display “battery end of life” near 3.0 Vdc, so there is not much usable battery life when discharged at 10 amps.
In contrast, the battery with an internal resistance of 20mW develops only 0.2V of internal drop at 10 amp discharge, leaving the battery output voltage at 3.5 Vdc and allowing most of the usable energy in the battery to be utilized.
Internal impedance and current ratings of batteries are closely related and very important in situations where currents of 10 amps or more may be required from a battery of this type. Without good low internal resistance, battery capacity in mA-Hrs is much less meaningful, because the battery will reach the end of life cutoff well before the nameplate capacity is used.
Yes, we talked about that
No spring to adjust
No spring to replace
4x better connection
Slightly longer cap is easier to grip
The list goes on.
I think it's time for a .....
I think we're going to need a new Provarinati end cap.
Will the new cap cause problems with the 2.5 glued-in board?
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