Ok are we safe or not, is the question?

[SmokinSexy]

I am compelled to know, just how these ECigges are monitored for safety and quality of content. How do we know what used in the cartridges, made in China, how do we know what we are inhaling is 100% what the companies say it is?

Dont get me wrong, I am loving my Ecigs, from Vapor4life, W 4 mg of nic.

But I dont want to find out in 10 years that I have been inhaling another potentially dangerous substance!

Helpppppppppp!

 

[jaded]

There is a video tour of the company that makes V4L juice somewhere I think. Plus they have a man on the inside, so that helps.

 

[SmokinSexy]

There is a video tour of the company that makes V4L juice somewhere I think. Plus they have a man on the inside, so that helps.

How do we know, any of that is true? Yes, I am being skepical, but I am so new to this, I am unsure of how all this is verified.
"Made in China", seems like a red flag? Yes, no?

 

[jaded]

How do we know, any of that is true? Yes, I am being skepical, but I am so new to this, I am unsure of how all this is verified.
"Made in China", seems like a red flag? Yes, no?

It's no worse than made in America to me, cause I know the people who work in factories here and put very little faith in them. I know vaping makes me feel better and that is what really matter to me. It has to be better than cigarettes, cause we know what all they put in those.

 

[rob blanks]

Yeah, made in China isn't a particularly huge red flag for me either. Those products are also sold over there and if they make a product that's incredibly harmful, the penalties are severe. The execs that owned the company that made melamine tainted milk earlier this year (January) have been sentenced to 5 years in prison. Execs in the U.S. who make products that kill or sicken people (remember the salmonella scare?) are not held responsible and the company is only fined.

I do prefer to buy USA made juice, cause often the suppliers are small businesses that I want to support, but for hardware? Nah, I'm not worried.

 

[satoshi]

how do we know what we are inhaling is 100% what the companies say it is?

We don't know 100%. Really, we don't know 100% from an American e-liquid supplier, either, or if it's just Chinese unflavored nic liquid with lorann/flavourart added to it. Nor do we know if a given bottle or carto has been contaminated in some way...this happens even to huge American corporations with food, despite taking precautions.

But what we do know 100% is that analogs are extremely dangerous, full of thousands of chemicals...and e-liquid manufacturers would have to be trying pretty hard to make them more dangerous.

I get your point, though. You have to decide for yourself if the risk is worth it.

 

[Moonflame]

Nothing in this world is 100% safe. Every time you get in your car, you take risks. Evey time you eat, you take risks. I feel much safer using a PV than I did smoking cigarettes and I feel much healthier than I did when I smoked. If you want totally a totally safe life then your best bet is to check yourself into somewhere that has a nice comfy rubber room and even there you will encounter risks. I've decided to minimize my risks in using nicotine by switching from cigarettes to PV's. You'll have to decide for yourself, based on all the research provided, both here and other places, if that is a suitable risk for you.

 

[keyzygirl]

You could smoke cigarettes and get cancer,or use NRT and have nightmares and jitters,or you could use chantix and end up suicidal.Ive been using Ecigs for almost a year and have had no real side effects worse than dry mouth.Ill take my chances.Its up to you to decide for yourself what works best for you.

 

[mistinthewoods]

I mix my own juice. I get my nic concentrate from a supplier that I've spoken to at length on the phone. He's assured me that he uses only pharmaceutical grade nicotine (same stuff that's in nicorette or nicoderm) and usp grade propylene glycol. To that I add usp vegetable glycerine and commercial food flavorings. All these ingredients are regulated to some point. I'm pretty sure my vapor is as safe as anything I buy at the grocery store and a HELL of a lot safer than smoking which has been proven time and time again to be deadly.

 

[cliff5550]

I was at the point that I was buying the very, very cheapest cigarettes I could find and we often joked they tasted like sweepings from the tobacco barn floor. I feel much safer vaping than I ever did smoking.

 

[Chazzman]

That's why they must be regulated.

 

[CHUCKLEHEAD]

I just want one person to show me a link or where pharma grade nic liquid is manufactured in the USA ! Just one

 

[Jonmo1]

This is exactly the kind of thinking that is going to get Ecigs Banned.
Are they safe?

If you look at it from just that angle, with no other considerations, then of coarse you will find them not 100% Safe. They contain nicotine...Duh!

If we all lived in Disneyland, and there was no such thing as cigarettes, then yes, these would be a Stupid/Dangerous device.

But we don't live in Disneyland, and NOTHING is 100% safe.

The real question that needs to be addresses is
"Are they Better/Safer than a regular Tobacco Cigarette?
Any ..... would know that they are.

The Ecig Industry needs to market these products as an
"SafER Alternatate to smoking cigarettes"
Don't market or sell to children
Don't market or sell to non smokers.

FDA/Governent regulation wouldn't be a bad thing,
These do need some regulation and quality control.

But asking if they are safe is just the wrong message.


Just my opinion.

 

[BrockJ]

That's why they must be regulated.

Oh God Yes!!! Let's get the goverment involved and start paying $60 for a 15ml bottle for Flue Cured.

This is the very thing that people are fighting right now on every forum that exist. Are we just not reading the postings?

I tried the regulated method with Nicorette, Nicoderm and Chantix.
I did stop at one time for about a month.
The first time I was around people that were smoking, so was I.

I got my first e-cig out of the mailbox at 4:30 on July 16th, 2009. I haven't smoked a single cigarette since (don't even want one).
I vape only US made VG and have cut that back to less than 16mg and <15ml a week.

I am compelled to know, just how these ECigges are monitored for safety and quality of content. How do we know what used in the cartridges, made in China, how do we know what we are inhaling is 100% what the companies say it is?

Dont get me wrong, I am loving my Ecigs, from Vapor4life, W 4 mg of nic.

But I dont want to find out in 10 years that I have been inhaling another potentially dangerous substance!

Helpppppppppp!

Is it safe? Get a grip.... Life is deadly... We're all headed that way.

You are for a fact inhaling dangerous (not potentially) substances from the products that are used to make your home. Your exposed to radiation from the computer you're sitting at. Everytime you cook chicken on an open flame you're inhaling carcinogens that make cigarettes look like gumdrops. What's in Gumdrops? Aren't they made in China?
Every camp fire you've ever enjoyed released carcinogens and tars that are extremely dangerous to your health. Smores? Bad for you... Charred Marshmellows? Burned by a flame from trees that extract poisons from the ground (arsenic, lead, waste)? Looking pretty grimm isn't it? Ya know those backyard barbecues you love so much? Deadly vapors from the fuel and burning coal.. DEADLY!! Try inhaling that for thirty minutes and get back to us...

Is it safe? LMFAO... No it isn't.. Goverment regulations will not make it safe. They'll just make more money off of it.

The Sun will burn out and the Earth will be destroyed.

Have a good day and try to be nice to people in the meantime....

 

[keyzygirl]

That was a great post!Thank you Brock!

 

[mphsjeep]

Ok here is the deal........Yes where the eliquid is from is a "never know", I buy from Revolver and their liquid vapes smooth, not alot of coloring so that is good, they mix in the US...good enough for me.

As for the bigger picture, a doctor friend said it best, " you are skipping lung disease and going right to heart disease". Its true, but moreso for the high nic level vapors. Nicotine use causes heart problems BUT it is not a sure thing. So overall we are much better off. Haveing a medical background, liking to smoke, i endorce ecigs.
I was fully resigned to the fact that I was going to be one of those old men with my O2 tank and a cig just puffing awa...until I found vaping. I tapered down to low nic liquid but the reality is I, like many of us, are most likely addicted to the behavior of smoking.
Thats why gum, patches, pills dont work for most...........we are using vaporized nic patches. Either its delivered through the skin or lungs.

So I say foreget where the liquid comes from because it cant be near as bad as the preservitive crap they spray on tobacco before it was chopped up to make my marbolo lights!

 

[Hoosier]

What is 100% safe? Seriously?

Needs-to-be-regulated folks, please throw your PV away now and wait for the government to tell you it is safe before purchasing a new regulated unit meanwhile the approved and firesafe cigarette may be used until such a time as such a regulated safe PV unit may be available.

I seriously wonder who on here are smokers and who are ASH/ALA/ACS/FDA plants trying to stir up trouble-divide the community-make taking control easier. Sometimes I wonder. Does anyone else wonder?

 

[wv2win]

How do we know, any of that is true? Yes, I am being skepical, but I am so new to this, I am unsure of how all this is verified.
"Made in China", seems like a red flag? Yes, no?

You smoked cigarettes for how long, KNOWING that they would kill you. About half the products bought in this country are made in China.

 

[keyzygirl]

I always wonder!

 

[Chazzman]

I understand what everyone is saying here and maybe I'm way off base.
If so just shoot me!!

I actually agree with much of what Brock said but the reality is that the Government WILL get much more involved in this issue and regulations are going to happen. Why? Controversy AND lobbyists.
Political pandering too.
What regulations and what that means I don't know. One can speculate and one could assume new or higher taxes.
OR......
They could just totally ban the thing and allow the Tobacco industry to continue lining their pockets.
Well, that is the general presumption of what happens but again, who knows.

Perhaps they will simply look at the liquid and tax that.
Technically that is the only area that would make sense to me anyway.
Reminds me of the old debate of the gun and the bullet.

I know the goverment doesn't care, it's an opportunity for taxes and strong arming but I also understand people’s needs for food/beverage products to be regulated. At least to some degree.
Anything that is ingested can come under fire from the FDA.
Or at least some level of scrutiny, correct?

I know all about the cigarette argument and the amount of nasty chemicals that E Cigs don't have but that doesn't mean I don't want to know exactly what is in my juice does it?
I have two bottles in front of me and neither say anything about the ingredients.
Granted nor do cigarettes but there are general warnings on cigarette boxes and general warnings apropos smoking.
Maybe that is what will happen. Doubt it though.

A case can be made from both sides of the table.
Many are against Government regulations period.
Some on anything, which I personally think is crazy but that's me.

True. Many, many things out there in everyday life will kill ya.
But if my next door neighbor started selling fruit juices at a local market I'd like to know what's in it.
We know what's in cigarettes. One has access to that information and it's all pretty bad as we know.

I don't want the thing banned.
I don't want high taxes either but generally regulation means taxes.
Am I foolish for wanting to know that my E Juice is a quality product?
OR for wanting to simply know the ingredients?