Ok are we safe or not, is the question?

[D103]

SmokinSexy I think it is intelligent and responsible to want to know what is in the juice and the carts we inhale. And I agree with several who have given wise counsel re: looking through this forum in various other specific threads about health, safety, etc.-read, read, read, - good advice. I can't help but notice the degree of defensiveness towards your post. I understand it, we are all very passionate about our e-cigs and the benefits we have and still do experience. And I believe most of us feel very strongly about any suggestion of ANYONE banning this technology and trying to take it away from us. I am extremely passionate myself about this. That said, I must say that while I am in no way a big fan of 'regulation' especially from our government, I have been around now long enough to recognize that at times we benefit from it and most definitely rely on it. Several examples have been cited about automobiles, accidents and airbags. I am sure everyone knows that airbags are strictly regulated in terms of content, pressure of deployment and the trigger mechanisms which activate it's deployment. To play devil's advocate I could say, 'Hey we don't need airbag regulations, hell, I already know that if I hit anything head on and go through the windshield it'll probably kill me, so having an airbag is definitely safer than not having one so why regulate them.' However, I hope most would agree if you or a loved one were in an accident and your airbag (let's say was not regulation) and when it deployed ended up crippling you or your loved one, you would be very upset, might even want to sue someone, want reparation for your pain, suffering and injuries - sorry, no regulation-no accountability, because there were no standards. Anyway it is just a thought and just my opinion.

 

[BrockJ]

What is 100% safe? Seriously?
I seriously wonder who on here are smokers and who are ASH/ALA/ACS/FDA plants trying to stir up trouble-divide the community-make taking control easier. Sometimes I wonder. Does anyone else wonder?

With some of these post? Yes I do...

Seems the invasion is upon us...

 

[DallasEd]

I had two hot dogs for lunch today from a vendor outside of Home Depot.

Need I say more?

For me, this vaping thing is not a long term investment. I'm doing it to quit smoking and it's working. Soon I'll start weaning myself off the vapor. Who wants to kick one habit by replacing it with another? I'm sure some people use it as a recreational thing, but I don't see that in my future.

I feel that if I'm buying juice from a company based here in the USA I've got a good chance of not having anything weird added to my juice. Most of the USA vendors who sell juice post here and want repeat customers. There are psycho people everywhere, but I don't think they're creating websites, openly offering up products, and setting up businesses just to screw with us. I wouldn't buy juice on the black market, but for years I bought and consumed drugs off the black market and lived to tell about it.

I'm more concerned with what was in those hot dogs. And yes, I believe there may be a few wolves in sheep's clothing among us. I'd be surprised if there weren't.

Ed.

 

[urbancowboy505]

home depot hot dogs?!!!!! What were you thinking?!!!!!!

 

[DallasEd]

I know, I know..

But hey, I eat them all the time.

I've never had a bad reactionnnnnn.....................thud!

 

[Rosa]

I went through this phase too. I called it my "this must be to good to be true" phase. I read a LOT on a lot of different websites and learned a lot in the process.

There is not one ingredient in e-juice that's not already present in tobacco products, including the PG. The difference is all the ingredients that AREN'T in e-juice that are present in tobacco products, like arsenic and a bunch of other known deadly poisons.

If you're concerned about the juice, buy it from U.S. suppliers or make your own - it's really easy to do. And if you're worried about smoking the empty atty or cart filler then don't let your cart/atty run dry. There now, don't you feel better?

I can promise you with absolute certainty that with proper use e-cigs are not as harmful as cigarettes - but is anything as harmful as cigarettes?

 

[Rosa]

I found this one to be especially reassuring (and the video was very informative - watch it for sure) Lots of info here:

THE TRUTH: Cigarettes versus Electronic Cigarettes

 

[quakereject]

I know, I know..

But hey, I eat them all the time.

I've never had a bad reactionnnnnn.....................thud!

So you don't consider flaming case of the mud river runs a bad reaction? =P

Actually, I can't talk.. I get Coscto dogs every time I go.

 

[akcrabslayer]

It's fairly simple to me since ive quit smoking i have been feeling a lot healthier in a perfect world i would not have to trade habits and be happy sucking air,with the products available to us that are fda approved it would not help me sleep any better at night if they put there stamp of approval on e-cigs.

 

[quakereject]

It's fairly simple to me since ive quit smoking i have been feeling a lot healthier in a perfect world i would not have to trade habits and be happy sucking air,with the products available to us that are fda approved it would not help me sleep any better at night if they put there stamp of approval on e-cigs.

Given what the FDA does approve, their stamp of approval means little else than we're getting our cut from these guys so they're ok!

 

[akcrabslayer]

amen someone needs to grease there wheels is all

 

[v1John]

I don't trust the FDA and the ALA, they didn't ban all the monoxide analogs that I smoked and they're not even focused on that.

 

[HelltoHeaven]

The basic components of E-juice are : PG/VG, nicotine, and flavoring.

Nicotine has not been proven to cause any cancer or any other seriuos harmful effects to any other organs in our body so far. Toxicity level not easily acheived in our body too(Please check nicotine in wiki) - Therefore I'm not worry about nicotine.

PG/VG - both having very low toxic level and being used widely in food manufacturing industries.

The one thing concern me is the DEG - diethylene glycol. Some dishonest manufacturing company may use this DEG to replace PG/VG to save cost. DEG is very toxic and many incidents happened in the past and cause many deaths.

 

[quakereject]

Even if people are trying to stir up some drama that are anti ecig, the varied opinions on here regarding equipment and juice is undeniable. The opinion with the facts available and general consensus however, with the regulars and ecig supporters alike, is that vaping is 99.9% better for you than smoking.

So let them come.

 

[v1John]

Even if people are trying to stir up some drama that are anti ecig, the varied opinions on here regarding equipment and juice is undeniable. The opinion with the facts available and general consensus however, with the regulars and ecig supporters alike, is that vaping is 99.9% better for you than smoking.

So let them come.

I like that radio show that was posted about, here at ECF. Just the other day, I was telling a friend of mine something similar to what they said, I can get harm using ecigs for 40 years in the same amount of time that I can get smoking analogs for 30 days.

Cool post, cat; Or ..good post, cool cat . I would almost dare say it's more like 99.99% better...more, perhaps, if I can avoid secondhand inhalation.

 

[SmokinSexy]

"Methinks thou doth protest too much."

 

[Cuco3]

Good question, we must make sure we understand all the risks involved in Vapor since it is still relatively new and we don't know the long-term effects yet.

 

[v1John]

Good question, we must make sure we understand all the risks involved in Vapor since it is still relatively new and we don't know the long-term effects yet.

I would think that medical risks and benefits are detailed in the med.health subforum part, but vapor is not relatively new, technically. It's old.

 

[Moonflame]

There has been research done on inhaling PG since the 1940's, and nicotine is only harmful if you already have heart problems. The only thing in E-liquid that I haven't seen a load of inhalation info on is the flavoring. However, I know that when you make candy and use the same flavorings, you end up inhaling a lot of steam containing those flavors in vapor form. I have never heard of candy makers getting any kind of illness from inhaling the steaming flavors, so I'm not so worried about it. Considering that this is the first winter in 24 years that I haven't been smoking and it's also the first winter in 24 years that I haven't had chronic bronchitis, I think they are much better for me than smoking was. Even the colds I've had have gone away faster than they ever did before, as a matter of fact I got over things faster this winter than my husband did and he's never smoked in his life. I'm a firm believer that this is because of the antimicrobial effects of PG.

 

[mistinthewoods]

How about the Lung juice stuff from Nhaler? It's supposed to be beneficial for the lungs. Although, when I hear a name like Lung juice I think of the stuff I cough up from smoking the cancer sticks. Yikes! 8-o

I hear it's made from real lungs!