Ok are we safe or not, is the question?

[Windsage]

Like much of life a great part of our safety is dependent on the honesty of those we deal with. The main ingredients in vapor are PG, VG, and nicotine. PG and VG are both widely used in food products and have been studied in the past for inhalation for various other reasons. They have always been found to be safe. There has never been a long term inhalation study, and maybe the FDA should spend their time actually doing one.

Nicotine is, well, nicotine. The effects are fairly well known. Nicotine causes blood vessels to contract and raises pulse rate. At higher levels it's a very potent poison. Interestingly, nicotine alone has never been studied over very long terms either. It was always studied in conjunction with smoking. Some studies were conducted for the gum, patch and inhaler, but even those studies were mostly 1 year long even though many many people use these products far longer.

The real hazard in e-cigs, I believe, come from potential manufacturing errors in the juice. These can happen. They happen all the time with all kinds of products. They happen with or without regulation. If you look at history regulation by the FDA does not create a safer product. The FDA simply reports when Tylenol kills people, they don't prevent it.

Sadly, the only reason the FDA considers e-cigs a drug delivery device is that too many of the other chemicals have been removed. If e-cig carts had ground up tobacco crud in them, they would be a tobacco product and perfectly fine

 

[mistinthewoods]

Windsage, the only reason the FDA considers e-cigs a drug delivery device is because they are. So is your coffee maker.

 

[keyzygirl]

I love my coffee maker!

 

[mistinthewoods]

To add to my last post, cigarettes are a drug and multiple poison delivery device and they deliver it all in the most dangerous way possible.

 

[mistinthewoods]

And I love my PV

 

[River]

On the off chance you have never seen the fda handbook on what they do allow in products please enjoy.

let's look at an exerpt.

"CORNMEALInsects
(AOAC 981.19)Average of 1 or more whole insects (or equivalent) per 50 grams Insect filth
(AOAC 981.19)Average of 25 or more insect fragments per 25 grams Rodent filth
(AOAC 981.19)Average of 1 or more rodent hairs per 25 grams
OR
Average of 1 or more rodent excreta fragment per 50 grams
DEFECT SOURCE: Insects and insect fragments - preharvest and/or post harvest and/or processing insect infestation, Rodent hair and excreta fragments - post harvest and/or processing contamination with animal hair or excreta
SIGNIFICANCE: Aesthetic

Thank goodness they are so strict! otherwise there may be 2 entire insects per 50grams!!! LOL!

Defect Levels Handbook

seriously though is here any corn meal in corn meal or is it all insects and rodent filth????

 

[keyzygirl]

Donjuan or sexy?

 

[ElectraGlide]

How about the Lung juice stuff from Nhaler? It's supposed to be beneficial for the lungs. Although, when I hear a name like Lung juice I think of the stuff I cough up from smoking the cancer sticks. Yikes! 8-o

 

[keyzygirl]

Thats too funny!!

 

[Kurt]

I mix my own juice. I get my nic concentrate from a supplier that I've spoken to at length on the phone. He's assured me that he uses only pharmaceutical grade nicotine (same stuff that's in nicorette or nicoderm) and usp grade propylene glycol. To that I add usp vegetable glycerine and commercial food flavorings. All these ingredients are regulated to some point. I'm pretty sure my vapor is as safe as anything I buy at the grocery store and a HELL of a lot safer than smoking which has been proven time and time again to be deadly.

I'm with you. Its not that the Chinese juices are unsafe, as there have been no significant health issues associated with juice from China, but I prefer to know exactly what I am vaping. So my juices are 100% DIY using very pure unflavored high-nic juice with only pharm grade nic (MyFreedonSmokes and Vermont Vapor, both outstanding), VG, distilled water, and flavorings. I don't do PG, and most Chinese juices are PG, not VG, plus Chinese juices tend to be yellowish and with a rather unpleasant taste. These could be from juice just sitting in contact with the air, or else not optimal extraction of the nic from tobacco, leading to the inclusion of other tobacco compounds.

As for safety, it does appear to be orders of magnitudes more safe than smoking, for sure. Other than the obvious risk of nic poisoning or getting sick from vaping too much nic, I personally believe the flavors themselves pose the biggest risk. Some flavors can make you cough, and I avoid these. That said, I've been vaping steadily since Sept without any significant issues, and my health is clearly much better than when I was smoking 1+ packs of analogs a day.

 

[marclap]

There is a video tour of the company that makes V4L juice somewhere I think. Plus they have a man on the inside, so that helps.

Where is it? I can't seem to find it. Looks interesting.

Edit: nevermind. I found it. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/vapor4life/78404-video-tour-our-liquid-manufacturers-facilities.html

 

[Chazzman]

Cazzman, I think I had you pegged wrong. My bad. I agree with you about regulation. Lots of people in these forums were born in the 80s and have only seen things progressively de-regulated their whole lives. I'm not quite sure why people can't see how much more dangerous and uncertain life in America has become as a result.(Wall Street meltdowns, Health insurance companies robbing people and then dumping them) I guess the message "fear the government" has really sunk in with folks but I believe that in a democracy WE are the government and special interest takes over because we let it. Apathy is our downfall. Activism is our power. *end rant*

Appreciate that and agree with what you said.
I could go on and on about all you say but will refrain also.......

 

[mini_art]

Hmmm, well I have several thoughts on this one.
I have copd, the fda gave me drugs . Now 15 yrs later they are saying those drugs should only be used for short times and some of them are off the market having been banned.
By the way, they have not told anyone what they can replace those drugs with.

The ecigs gave me back my breathing, my ability to walk, even my ability to get some exercise .
Which in turn has given me the ability to loose weight. All in a virtual blink of an eye.

I have used ecigs for about 2 months, lost 15 pounds, now can walk again ,I can breath for the first time in 30 years ,and have cut my fda approved meds that were killing my budget by 3/4.

Am I worried that there is something lurking in my ejuice that will kill me ?


NOPE!!

 

[DC2]

There are many things we currently consume that aren't 100% safe too - salt, sugar caffiene - all have an adverse effect on the body.

Let me just clarify this a bit by saying that NOTHING we consume is 100% safe.

Everything is a poison, depending on the amount and concentration.
Even drinking too much water can kill you.

The human body is designed to process without incident so much of this and so much of that.
It is designed to need so much of this and so much of that.
Too much of anything can mess you up good.

I don't know, maybe if you eat 10,000 carrots you won't get too much beta-carotine?

 

[DC2]

As a matter separate from the politics 'n' international intrigue aspect of this thread, there is one health/safety issue, perhaps trivial, that crosses my mind once in a while. It's about those times when things aren't working right (like a dry cart) and we find ourselves inhaling what tastes like burnt stuff. I guess it's deposited crud in the atomizer, maybe burnt wicking material from the bridge, and ??

Yes, it is deposited crud on the atomizer, and only a really good dry burn will remove it.
Unless of course you are using cartomizers, then it might be burnt filler material.

 

[CES]

Let me just clarify this a bit by saying that NOTHING we consume is not 100% safe.

Everything is a poison, depending on the amount and concentration.
Even drinking too much water can kill you.
The human body is designed to successfully process without incident so much of this and so much of that.
It is designed to need so much of this and so much of that.
Too much of anything can mess you up good.

I don't know, maybe if you eat 10,000 carrots you won't get too much beta-carotine?

If you eat 10,000 carrots you're likely to get Carotenosis (if you don't explode first). Carotenosis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .

But seriously, I agree with DC2. I also think that wanting to minimize risks makes perfect sense. To me, the name of the game is harm reduction and risk reduction. There is no such thing as perfect safety, but reading, research and asking questions are the ways to get enough information to make reasonable decisions for yourself.

 

[the86d]

PG, PG&Flavor, NIC&PG, Maybe glycerin if I feel the need.

I'm safe!

Don't whine, make your own!

De-De-Dee!

I am more concerned with the fact I don't know what is in this Taco Bell in front of me!

 

[the86d]

"Water intoxication"!

 

[shepp]

go to leafords page, E-smoker Forever – by Leaford if i remember correctly he has a video on the there of the factory that V4L uses. you may be greatly surprised. i was.

 

[quakereject]

I don't know, maybe if you eat 10,000 carrots you won't get too much beta-carotine?

Your skin will turn orange, true story!