Ok are we safe or not, is the question?

[CaptJay]

Honestly if someone is this worried they should get their lquids analysed by a chemist - every time they buy. Im no tbeing harsh - if its that worrying but you still want to go ahead but NEED to know whats in it (not sure if it would make a difference - half the food we eat has chemicals in it Ive never heard of, we eat and drink non naturally occurring chemical soup daily) then Id do that.
If you want us, ordinary members of the public to say its safe then we cannot.
The FDA cannot - and do not - because the drugs they approve are NEVER 100% safe. Not one. No drug - not a single one is 100% safe, and no doctor or FDA person or government official worth their salt can give you or WOULD give you that assurance.
Are these PV safER than smoking cigarettes? Yes - how much safer we can't say but safer is safer right? If we keep smoking we know we're opening ourselves up for possible cancers, if we do PV its far less likely as there are little or no (can't say for sure) KNOWN carcinogens in the ingredients.
Perhaps to put into perspective - seatbelts are there to make accidents (yes accidents not driving) safER. They aren't 100% safe, they might not save your life but NOT wearing one and having an accident is much LESS safe than wearing one and being in an accident. Would that stop you wearing one? Knowing its not 100% guarantee it might stop you dying in an accident?
There are many things we currently consume that aren't 100% safe too - salt, sugar caffiene - all have an adverse effect on the body. In an ideal world we avoid as many as these substances as possible (almost impossible with salt and sugar, manufacturers add it to just about everything) and of course you wouldn't smoke.
If you really are concerned (and there's no reason you shouldn't be) then your best bet is stopping smoking without any kind of drug - no gum no patch no drug from the doc - just do it cold turkey. Many people have success this way (although most return to being smokers at a later date), but this is probably (almost 100%) safe.

 

[Chazzman]

Honestly if someone is this worried they should get their lquids analysed by a chemist - every time they buy. Im no tbeing harsh - if its that worrying but you still want to go ahead but NEED to know whats in it (not sure if it would make a difference - half the food we eat has chemicals in it Ive never heard of, we eat and drink non naturally occurring chemical soup daily) then Id do that.
If you want us, ordinary members of the public to say its safe then we cannot.
The FDA cannot - and do not - because the drugs they approve are NEVER 100% safe. Not one. No drug - not a single one is 100% safe, and no doctor or FDA person or government official worth their salt can give you or WOULD give you that assurance.
Are these PV safER than smoking cigarettes? Yes - how much safer we can't say but safer is safer right? If we keep smoking we know we're opening ourselves up for possible cancers, if we do PV its far less likely as there are little or no (can't say for sure) KNOWN carcinogens in the ingredients.
Perhaps to put into perspective - seatbelts are there to make accidents (yes accidents not driving) safER. They aren't 100% safe, they might not save your life but NOT wearing one and having an accident is much LESS safe than wearing one and being in an accident. Would that stop you wearing one? Knowing its not 100% guarantee it might stop you dying in an accident?
There are many things we currently consume that aren't 100% safe too - salt, sugar caffiene - all have an adverse effect on the body. In an ideal world we avoid as many as these substances as possible (almost impossible with salt and sugar, manufacturers add it to just about everything) and of course you wouldn't smoke.
If you really are concerned (and there's no reason you shouldn't be) then your best bet is stopping smoking without any kind of drug - no gum no patch no drug from the doc - just do it cold turkey. Many people have success this way (although most return to being smokers at a later date), but this is probably (almost 100%) safe.

That's a good post.

My thought is that I can understand people wanting regulation or demanding it. Even though to some extent it IS hypocritical!

AND I see absolutely nothing wrong with the FDA and or Government insisting on regulating the labeling of the juice.
Even though that too can be viewed as hypocritical.

 

[SmokinSexy]

I want to thank those whom gave me civil replies, without sarcasm!
Its very helpful

I am not here to knock ECigs, just understand all the risks (if any), and find out how other people feel about them.

I totally enjoy them, more than the real thing. Because they don't STINK!
And yah, I knew there not as bad as the real thing.
As I said in another thread, I am more of a stress smoker, not an every day smoker. So I just don't want to pick up something, that might also be bad for me.

And this is my very first foray, into Ecigs. I know nothing of them, but I now more now than I did yesterday!

 

[Kate51]

I am of the opinion that more is known about e-cigs, their components, than any of us ever knew and still don't know what we were smoking (breathing in burning chemical refuse!!) every single day!!!
Maybe a person should take stock first of all what's NOT in that cartridge.
The things left over should be a comfort!

 

[RoKeM]

I am compelled to know, just how these ECigges are monitored for safety and quality of content. How do we know what used in the cartridges, made in China, how do we know what we are inhaling is 100% what the companies say it is?

Dont get me wrong, I am loving my Ecigs, from Vapor4life, W 4 mg of nic.

But I dont want to find out in 10 years that I have been inhaling another potentially dangerous substance!

Helpppppppppp!

The fact is you don’t have to wait 10years to know how bad cigarettes are for you. And after 9 months of only vaping I can tell you this, I feel great, my blood pressure is down, my weight has gone down because I can run and work out with out exhaustion! And I no longer need an inhaler on high pollen days! In other words, I look, feel and smell better. That’s all I need to know!

 

[CaptJay]

OP if you are wanting to research - may I suggest trawling through all the reports on the CASAA pages - they have a forum section on ECF and links to their site where they have collated just about everything - studies and reports and stats and..theres a lot

 

[Chazzman]

I am of the opinion that more is known about e-cigs, their components, than any of us ever knew and still don't know what we were smoking (breathing in burning chemical refuse!!) every single day!!!
Maybe a person should take stock first of all what's NOT in that cartridge.
The things left over should be a comfort!

I think you may be on to something with that comment!!!
Well said.

I'm really on the fence about this thing I feel..........

Funny thing.
I was at a club the other night and 2 people had all the questions in the world about what it was and what's in it.
They both smoked.
Obviously they never think twice about what's in the tobacco.

 

[BradSmith]

That's why they must be regulated.

I don't agree, unless you mean the companies self regulated each other or something like that. I think it will happen whether we like it or not, that or just a complete ban. The companies should be paying more for testing and I think they will if left alone. Some companies will start to research and tons of it to show how up front they are about their product.

I don't like the thought of the government in this at all. It's just too likely that they will do the wrong thing and tax them so high that people go back to cigs or never even think about getting started in the first place. It wouldn't surprize me if regualtions wouldn't open the door for them to ban DIY completely like they are blackmarket moonshiners or something.

Having said all this, I don't know if they are 100% safe but think about this? How many other products do you get from China that you trust alone with your kids?? If it is really that worrying to you cold turkey might be the way to go. In fact I would suggest that for everyone and if it works than great. I didn't really want to quit I was looking for a safer alternative. I already feel much better. I used to cough up a lung every morning for at least the first hour of the day. My smokers cough was getting worse and worse. Now three months later I can smell again, taste again and I can be much more active than I have been in years.

One of the problems with testing for safety is that there just isn't any long term studies and short of usiing common sense and testing what it is you are vaping long term studies are the only real way to know what is going on. Frankly I believe that if we involve the government that is what they will demand. This has a few obvious problems. What happens in the mean time? Are they banned until they can finish these long term studies? How do you ever hope to conduct these studies fairly. First we are smokers and many of us have been for decades so any information would only be usefull put up against other nicotine replacement therapies. But this isn't meant to get everyone to quit. Plus I don't think there are enough people who never smoked and are now vaping to put together a large enough control group.

 

[Jonmo1]

I am not here to knock ECigs, just understand all the risks (if any), and find out how other people feel about them.

What risks ?

You are already risking your life by smoking cigarettes.
So using Ecigs (even if it turns out just as bad), is no additional risk at all.

 

[SmokinSexy]

OP if you are wanting to research - may I suggest trawling through all the reports on the CASAA pages - they have a forum section on ECF and links to their site where they have collated just about everything - studies and reports and stats and..theres a lot

Thanks CaptJay, I shall try to decipher your lingo and go on a search
CASAA?
ECF?
Remember, I am a total newbie here

 

[Katmar]

I am of the opinion that more is known about e-cigs, their components, than any of us ever knew and still don't know what we were smoking (breathing in burning chemical refuse!!) every single day!!!
Maybe a person should take stock first of all what's NOT in that cartridge.
The things left over should be a comfort!

Well spoken, Kate. Like a true veteran vaper!!!!!!!
And I completely agree!

 

[River]

If you are that worried that you can't trust commercial products just make the stuff yourself, all you need is nicotine, food flavoring and pg or vg.

As far as safe goes how easy is it to be safer than tobacco? I could dump nic in a pile of powdered asbestos roll around in it for my fix and it would be safer than burning tobacco.

It's a matter of perspective.

If I were to choose a commercial product to fear you can do far better than e-liquid. I would start here but there are plenty other things to fear if you are into that sort of amusement.

Fourth Peanut Butter Death Reported

http://www.alternet.org/health/141196

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/05/27/hidden.home.hazards/index.html

http://www.rense.com/general19/chemical.htm

 

[PaulB]

As a matter separate from the politics 'n' international intrigue aspect of this thread, there is one health/safety issue, perhaps trivial, that crosses my mind once in a while. It's about those times when things aren't working right (like a dry cart) and we find ourselves inhaling what tastes like burnt stuff. I guess it's deposited crud in the atomizer, maybe burnt wicking material from the bridge, and ???

When these things happen, are we in fact inhaling smoke?

 

[SmokinSexy]

If you are that worried that you can't trust commercial products just make the stuff yourself, all you need is nicotine, food flavoring and pg or vg.

As far as safe goes how easy is it to be safer than tobacco? I could dump nic in a pile of powdered asbestos roll around in it for my fix and it would be safer than burning tobacco.

It's a matter of perspective.

If I were to choose a commercial product to fear you can do far better than e-liquid. I would start here but there are plenty other things to fear if you are into that sort of amusement.



FYI-River, learning and wanting to gain knowledge about something I am consuming, is not quite for my amusement, its well, an intelligent thing to do.

 

[Jonmo1]

This whole conversation reminds me of those stories you hear about people suing the car manufacturer because their airbag caused a rash.

That pisses me off.


Cmon people. It's common sense.

Do you want your car to have an airbag? Even though you know it might cause you some health problems after it saved your life?

It's the same friggin thing.


Even if these Ecigs do have some bad stuff in them, it's still a hell of alot better than the real cigs...you do know that right?... and is probably saving our lives.

 

[BradSmith]

If anyone is worried about the wick and the bridge the cartrige filler and all that, you could always do like I do and remove the wick and the bridge and drip away. Not that I do that because I am worried about the safetly I just like it better that way.

 

[CaptJay]

Electronic Cigarette Industry News | Electronic Cigarette Association
CASAA | The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-Free Alternatives Association

Read, learn, be reassured - I posted the links so people could go do research - lots n lots of info in both places. Enjoy

 

[River]

If you are that worried that you can't trust commercial products just make the stuff yourself, all you need is nicotine, food flavoring and pg or vg.

As far as safe goes how easy is it to be safer than tobacco? I could dump nic in a pile of powdered asbestos roll around in it for my fix and it would be safer than burning tobacco.

It's a matter of perspective.

If I were to choose a commercial product to fear you can do far better than e-liquid. I would start here but there are plenty other things to fear if you are into that sort of amusement.



FYI-River, learning and wanting to gain knowledge about something I am consuming, is not quite for my amusement, its well, an intelligent thing to do.

look, you and I have a plethora of death dealing agents that we are exposed to everyday under the sink and in your kitchen pantry and you are worried about a product thats entirely made up of things that have been in use and shown to be pretty safe for 40 to 50 years.

it's like worring about if the bus that is about to run over you is dark blue or light blue.

Is it completely safe? we don't know but we do know it is safer than smoking.

let's say you quit vaping tomorrow in that case instead of being exposed to 3ml of PG per day you will cut it down to 1.5 ml per day since the pg is already in a lot of products in your home already.

 

[keyzygirl]

If you want to be safe and inteligent about ecigs,Then READ,read,read,read.Its all here for you.Dont be lazy about it.READ!Dont waste time making silly comments.READ!Theres a wealth of info.READ.Ill vape and make comments.Come back and tell us what you have learned.The health section is a good place to start.

 

[mistinthewoods]

Cazzman, I think I had you pegged wrong. My bad. I agree with you about regulation. Lots of people in these forums were born in the 80s and have only seen things progressively de-regulated their whole lives. I'm not quite sure why people can't see how much more dangerous and uncertain life in America has become as a result.(Wall Street meltdowns, Health insurance companies robbing people and then dumping them) I guess the message "fear the government" has really sunk in with folks but I believe that in a democracy WE are the government and special interest takes over because we let it. Apathy is our downfall. Activism is our power. *end rant*