OK, so I'm over the whole VW thing

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Except that has nothing to do with consistency or automatic adjustments but instead on marketing and fanboyism.

I believe those of us who prefer VW are not saying it is better than VV. Just that it is "closer" to set & forget. And that "could" be an advantage to a new person going through the experimentation phase of vaping with trying different heads, as well.

and this is any different then the vw fans in this thread right now somehow? if it was truly superior somehow everyone would be saying dont get a spinner get the itaste instead. its funny just how well vv works for everyone using ego class batteries until you step up into bigger mods then suddenly it is inferior...................................

Way to "cherry pick" my post and try to change the meaning. So, yes, as I clearly stated, it is DIFFERENT than what this VW user is stating as I never claimed that VW was better than VV but that it does things that VV cannot do, which may be an advantage to some vapers.
 

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Way to "cherry pick" my post and try to change the meaning. So, yes, as I clearly stated, it is DIFFERENT than what this VW user is stating as I never claimed that VW was better than VV but that it does things that VV cannot do, which may be an advantage to some vapers.

your right i guess, i stopped at the fanboy comment so ill give you that. just so tired of these arguments, we are all here to vape and too many people are constantly with this if it isnt what i like then your wrong mentality anymore.
 

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At first it was cool. The guy at the vape store said it was the way he went and described how it measured ohms and put out the max volt for that ohm at that watt and "It was the only way to go".

A few days ago I finally filled my F16 carto tank and put it on an mvp. I noticed that it was pretty easy just dialing it down to 3.7, burnt taste and after 2 tries, found 3.3 the sweet spot. I then began switching my Sigelei mini to VV and my new iTaste MVP as well. Its pretty easy, I know which volts to use on what tank, just like I did on my lavatube clone and protank 6 months ago.

Have we kind of bought into something that sounded cool but maybe was just more complicated?

Not complicated but simply inaccurate. Most of the time the PV meters the resistance wrong so the wattage is all wrong. I prefer VV much better, and no longer search for VW devices.
 

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How about an appliance scale for setting the voltage, power, watts, amps, etc. It might take some of the controversy out. I could post that this carto, with this juice, works best at refrigerator. Someone else might say they prefer washer and dryer. Who would really care enough at that point to get worked up over it?
 

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How about an appliance scale for setting the voltage, power, watts, amps, etc. It might take some of the controversy out. I could post that this carto, with this juice, works best at refrigerator. Someone else might say they prefer washer and dryer. Who would really care enough at that point to get worked up over it?


well thats wrong!, i dont like washer and dryer setting . I prefer dishwasher mode myself.
 

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I can't agree. I have changed both and kept the watts the same and get the same consistent vape as before. With VV I would burn up the coil or get whimpy vapor.

I see your point. Think we're basing our views on different scenarios. I'm thinking if I would go from, say a Protank @ 2.2 ohms to an Aga T at 1.2 ohms, I would have to adjust something, be it voltage or wattage. ~7-8w on the Protank would be fine, but it would make vaping on the Aga very slow. More heat sinking going on, and more wire to heat up to boiling temperature. As you say, burnt or whimpy vapor.

That's not something I make up just to prove a point. Those are two of the setups I actually use :)

@Mike; And that's the reason I claim wattage is not a good indicator of actual vapor production. It would be if we overlooked the time it takes for a setup to reach the boiling point for juices.
 
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your right i guess, i stopped at the fanboy comment so ill give you that. just so tired of these arguments, we are all here to vape and too many people are constantly with this if it isnt what i like then your wrong mentality anymore.

Tired of the argument? Stop posting, avoid those threads.
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In laws are in the other room, so I'm in here, playing around on ECF. For what its worth, I have an eVic, and can set the device to VV, VW, or set curves for each. For the life of me, I can't tell a difference between VV and VW, but I can see why some would prefer VW.

I use an RBA, and wind microcoils for a Protank II that I use as a back-up. If I was still using different clearos and cartos, I would probably keep the eVic in VW. I kept about a half dozen clearos and mini clearos filled with different juice. The VW may have come in handy for me, then, but I still used attys with pretty similar resistances. I ended up adjusting either the voltage or wattage depending more on the juice. Other users may have similar experiences, many may not.

I do like having options and features on devices. What is more important to me, is for something to work consistently between vapes, not necessarily between attys. This is mostly why I have steered away from mechs, but there is a horde of people that would jump me for that opinion and observation.

Having said all that, I think there is an advantage to a device that would adjust the wattage as resistance changes with heat during each vape. I find it interesting, however, that even with the ability to change the output as a function of vape duration, most eVic users use either VV or VW instead of RVV or RVW. I actually prefered RVW and would preheat the coils a bit for many of the coils that I built until I settled on the coil I use now.

So there it is. Washer / Dryer mode. That dishwasher mode has me thinking, though. I don't like dirty coils.
 

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Seems to me many VV users thing VW is a locked in must use auto-set function. That in itself would be cause for great debate and would also make VW a useless pointless application.
Yes at its simplest VW could be called a set it and forget it device. Maybe for those that use 1-2 e-liquids and have several similar toppers with a few different coils it would work this way.
For some, like myself it is a simple way to get instantly into the ballpark. I enjoy most of my liquids in most of my gear around 6.6-8 watts output. That is just the sweet spot area most of my liquids and tanks work best for my liking. I also use coils anywhere from 1.7-2.8 ohms and do not concern myself with any exacting #.
Swap out a Tank and Snap, I'm with-in a few tenths of where I wish to be. Now I still have the ability, just like in VV mode to adjust up/down to tweak for that device/liquid.
No calculating, no surprise burnt hits or oops way to cold draws no thinking about anything but enjoying my Vape.

Am I preaching VW? Nope, I also enjoy my VV only APV as well as my Mechanical Mods.

Funny thing is, I can set my eVic by Volts even while in VW mode. Most VV device users cannot do the opposite.:)

When I kick back to Vape, I'm doing it my way for my enjoyment and all this becomes a totally moot point.:D

ETA - posting out of boredom - rainy day. So please not take any of this to seriously:toast:
 
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So there it is. Washer / Dryer mode. That dishwasher mode has me thinking, though. I don't like dirty coils

yea i get it, own them, i have used them and to me it doesnt mean anything but hey im not the average Joe with 14 tanks. im still running the same coil and wick in my geni for 6 weeks now so all this vw VS vv is meaningless to me.

(my mom says I like to argue though) :D
 

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yea i get it, own them, i have used them and to me it doesnt mean anything but hey im not the average Joe with 14 tanks. im still running the same coil and wick in my geni for 6 weeks now so all this vw VS vv is meaningless to me.

(my mom says I like to argue though) :D


I do the same When I get something working well I get as much out of the set up as I possibly can. Im going on 90 days with the same set up in my Ithaka. But thats with VV use things dont last as long with VW IMO;-)
 

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yea i get it, own them, i have used them and to me it doesnt mean anything but hey im not the average Joe with 14 tanks. im still running the same coil and wick in my geni for 6 weeks now so all this vw VS vv is meaningless to me.

(my mom says I like to argue though) :D




Whoa, there, fella! I'm missing out. I need some new toys! What is this VS mode that is all the rage, now?????
 

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All up in your grill..
I thinks its more of a case of someone saying -
Lets create a solution to a problem no one knows exists yet but once we show them that it exists they will buy our solution because we will convince them it really is a problem now that we can fix it..............

you know same reason they invented cordless phones in the 80's too hard to walk 5 feet to the phone on the table. (1st world problems man, 1st world problems)

I'm confused. Did you quote me in error? "More of a case of" that then what? I have a zmax. I don't hop between different coil resistances on it so I don't bother with the wattage. For a while I was using carto tanks on it and tried it both ways and didn't see much difference. These days I'm using a Genesis on it and I like the hit using the VV setting better then any wattage setting I've tried. I know they are popular because people buy a lot of them. How does what you are saying relate to that??

Anyway I don't think that's what happened at all. More like someone mailed a provari to China and once they were done copying the idea they then said "Aha! We can add a new feature the provari doesn't have!" Or something like that.
 
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