Ok what am I doing wrong here?

[Bubba]

Need some help figuring out what's going on

I've been using carto tanks for a while but got tired of them dying constantly, fiddling with them non-stop, etc., so I've been using a Vapeonly BCC

Normally this doesn't give me any trouble

Past couple of days, somethings going wrong

See, I watched this review from Pbusardo where he talks about taking wicks out. Well, if Pbusardo does it, I'm gonna do it. So I did.

Then the flooding/gurgling started. No problem, switch heads (of course I threw the wick I removed out - who needs it? Pbusardo said so)

So I switch heads and think all is well, then I start getting liquid puddling up in the well where the drip tip is.

Changed volts up and down, tried "dialing in the sweet spot" using VW, still with the puddle (God I HATE that term, dialing in the sweet spot)

Then I changed drip tips and put the original back on. No issues so far

Could it be that the tip I was using wasn't snug enough and was causing this?

Specs:

eVic
4.0 V
1.8 ohms
50/50 juice

So is it a VV/VW thing? did I not have it dialed in right, or could the drip tip have been causing this since it was a little loose?

Like I said, never an issue until today (which is when I changed both the head and drip tip)

 

[Ken_A]

I find that looser drip tips allow condensation to build up... I wick it away with the tip of a cotton swab. it works for me

 

[Bubba]

I find that looser drip tips allow condensation to build up... I wick it away with the tip of a cotton swab. it works for me

That's what I thought too, but we're not talking a couple of drops - the well was almost full of juice within a few puffs. Could it be the tip in combination with voltage too low? I'm normally around 4V, but I was fooling with it all day so I'm wondering if that had anything to do with it?

 

[SilentScreams]

Likely you are using to hard of a draw, if it's filling that fast.

On another note... Just because Pbusardo does it doesn't mean you need to. If you pay attention he says "what works for me might not work for you". Have tried using them without removing a wick? Worked fine with my 60/40 and 50/50 juices without removing a wick.

 

[Bubba]

Likely you are using to hard of a draw, if it's filling that fast.

On another note... Just because Pbusardo does it doesn't mean you need to. If you pay attention he says "what works for me might not work for you". Have tried using them without removing a wick? Worked fine with my 60/40 and 50/50 juices without removing a wick.

That whole Pbusardo bit was a joke - although I did see him do it and wondered what would happen...

Anyway, I'm thinking you're right about drawing too hard. I think I'm probably literally sucking the juice up into the well. Been hitting it a little easier and can tell a difference

 

[Ken_A]

Yes.. I just tried it. Hard draw will cause overfill of the coil. Try just enough of a draw to get the vapor instead of what you would use when sucking through a wad of Cotten.
And I remove a top wick, but I also use 50/50 juice, so it's thick enough to do that.

 

[Bubba]

Yes.. I just tried it. Hard draw will cause overfill of the coil. Try just enough of a draw to get the vapor instead of what you would use when sucking through a wad of Cotten.
And I remove a top wick, but I also use 50/50 juice, so it's thick enough to do that.

OK I'm using 50/50 too - may have to try that wick removal thing again. Flavor was great when I did it the first time - up until it flooded

 

[Rocketpunk]

I removed all the top wicks, exposing only the wicks wrapped in wire.

Big mistake.

Instant leaking and gurgling. Especially if I have to use a 510 to ego adapter. This irritates me, because I bought 5 MT3's at once. TWO work on my Twist. The other three need 510 to ego adapters. Makes no sense to me.

Kanger MT3's, for me, failed epically, but only because of my own user error. I just got an iClear 30, but if this thing craps out on me, too, that's the last wicking device I will ever spend a cent on, EVER.

I don't know why I keep thinking "the newest clearomizer will work better!" There seems to be lingering issues with wicking devices that no innovation can get rid of, or remove.

I'll just stick with my tried-and-true carto tanks.

 

[Bubba]

I really like the flavor of a carto tank, just hate all the fiddling around

 

[Rocketpunk]

Keep at it. You learn from trial and error. It's worth it, once you get the hang of it.

 

[Skullman]

Hey Bubba: I have been experiencing something very similar to you! I wanted to try Cartos Tanks, Ocelot directed me over to VaporPhoenix for their 510 SCT-V2 3.5ml Tanks that would work with Volatile eLiquids I purchased a few. I found some that seemed to be the same as from VaporPhoenix but with a huge discount from another vendor got those too.

I noticed right off one would work Fantastic while the other Flooded & Gurgled!?? I swapped out cartos but it was still the same I started to think it was the tanks until I noticed that the Carto Holes from VaporPhoenix were NOT the same as the others! The Cartos on the ones that worked Great were (Boge F16 Cartos) had small drilled or punched holes staggered up the shaft where the ones that Flooded & Gurgled (Phoenix Replacement Cartos) have Slotted Holes Punched up the side!

Every Single one of the Slotted Hole Replacement Cartos Flooded & Gurgled. I tried every single one of them. Yep, changed them all out but still Gurggle Gurggle Gurggle then Juice in the Mouth! So Now using all Boge F16's in all the Tanks with No issues! I have since ordered the Carto Punch Tool so I may be Master of My Cartos and Dial them in in what way works for me! Then I will be One with My Carto's!

If anyone is having or had this same problem and have worked it how some how please share! I have a bunch of these Replacement Cartos from VaporPhoenix that I would like to put back into use! Thanks!

Skullman {:{}

 

[Bubba]

Every Single one of the Slotted Hole Replacement Cartos Flooded & Gurgled. I tried every single one of them. Yep, changed them all out but still Gurggle Gurggle Gurggle then Juice in the Mouth! So Now using all Boge F16's in all the Tanks with No issues! I have since ordered the Carto Punch Tool so I may be Master of My Cartos and Dial them in in what way works for me! Then I will be One with My Carto's!

Where did you get the F16's? Maybe my supplier got a bad batch...the one's I'm using look like your bottom pic

I've got two BCC's on the way with some replacement heads, I'm about done jackin with all this stuff. Been fighting with my vaping equipment for a week now and it's getting old. Just want something that works consistently that I don't have to fool with, and that doesn't taste like burnt plastic and/or cotton.

OK, I'm done being a cry baby pee pants for now

 

[Rocketpunk]

I've been hearing similar stories coming out about the slotted cartos. In my opinion, the slots are entirely too large.

I've had nothing but success with the single hole with all my juices, which are typically 60/40 pg/vg. With Boba's, I just punch a second hole on the opposite side of the original hole, and it's been working just fine, as well.

 

[Rocketpunk]

have a bunch of these Replacement Cartos from VaporPhoenix that I would like to put back into use! Thanks!

Skullman {:{}

You can wrap electrical tape around the slots and use them as regular cartomizers, without the tank. They'll need topping off, but they'll work just fine that way. You can't use an ego cone or anything since they're flanged.

 

[Skullman]

Where did you get the F16's? Maybe my supplier got a bad batch...the one's I'm using look like your bottom pic

I've got two BCC's on the way with some replacement heads, I'm about done jackin with all this stuff. Been fighting with my vaping equipment for a week now and it's getting old. Just want something that works consistently that I don't have to fool with, and that doesn't taste like burnt plastic and/or cotton.

OK, I'm done being a cry baby pee pants for now

Hey Bubba: Believe me I feel your Frustration! I have to say the Tank Carto System works Purty Darn Good when you have it up and working correctly! Here are the the other Cartos that are working great for me! Boge F16 Cartos $1.99 each from VaporPhoenix. The 510 SMOKTECH XL 3.0ohm Single Coil 5-Pack $9.95 from CrystalClearVaping and the DCT for tube tank dual coil system clear and healthy for $1.50 each from Vaporbreak. The ones from VaporBreak work just as well as the SmokTech and from the looks of em are SmokTech or a real good clone! The best Vaping are the Boges but I only got the Low Ohm ones I need to try higher resistance they are on the light side for the MODS like VAMO 2 but work great on the eGo batteries! Just keep Voltage down on MODS! While you are at the different sites look at the different resistance/ohms availble on the Cartos to find what Best works with your devices! Check the Charts that are posted all over this forum for help! Remember they make Pre-Punched Cartos in 1 hole 2 Hole and Slotted styles figure out what you have then check the others for what you need!

I have been in contact with VaporPhoenix about the problem which they say is "Not a Problem" but said a lot of folks have contacted them with the same complaints. VaporPhoenix has asked that I try a few things and let them "Break in" but I have had my first one is still in the rack from day one! I work it every day multiple times a day but after getting juice in the mouth time and again then Hot Juice in the mouth then to the rack it goes! I think near 4 weeks breaking it in is long enough in my eyes but I'm waiting to hear back from them. I see on this Forum that most folks with the Slotted Carto problem/complaint have given up. I have a half dozen left I just don't want to give up! I went with the Pre-Punched Cartos for convenience but this ordeal has not been! I have since ordered up one of those Carto Punch Tools so I can experiment with em myself! We'll see!??

Keep in Mind this is Just My 13cents Worth

Skullman {:{}

 

[Skullman]

You can wrap electrical tape around the slots and use them as regular cartomizers, without the tank. They'll need topping off, but they'll work just fine that way. You can't use an ego cone or anything since they're flanged.

Hey RocketPunk Great idea! I tried Scotch tape to block part of the Slot but between the juice and the seals it didn't work. But for straight Carto use electrical tape should do fine! I wonder if a drip shield would fit over to hide it all? At least they wouldn't go to waste!

Skullman {:{}

 

[horkus1]

I was just about to post about the mouth full of juice I have am getting off of my Tabac BCC! Uggh. I did not remove any wicks and only started having this problem with liquid that was thinner than 50/50. The mouthpiece is tight and no leaking from the threads. Just gurgling, barely any vapor and a tip full of liquid no matter how lightly I draw from it.

I just bought more coils and could kick myself. I am so frustrated with them and am really sorry to hear that I am not the only one. Thanks for posting though. After reading all of this, I am thinking I am going to have to move on to something more reliable. Really sucks - when it works, it is great but I am not interested in drinking e-liquid ever again.

 

[The Ocelot]

I told you about the Vapor Phoenix tanks, but didn't warn you about the cartos? I'm so sorry! They are not regular single-coil cartos. They are an old CE2 stlye. (The vendor knows what are, he and I have been over it. I'm surprised he isn't more up front.) I have a whole box sitting here too.

Beware of the Frankencarto!

 

[Skullman]

I told you about the Vapor Phoenix tanks, but didn't warn you about the cartos? I'm so sorry! They are not regular single-coil cartos. They are an old CE2 stlye. (The vendor knows what are, he and I have been over it. I'm surprised he isn't more up front.) I have a whole box sitting here too.

Beware of the Frankencarto!

Hey Ocelot: I figured you would pipe in at some time. Yeah I know you wouldn't steer me in the wrong direction looking for Tanks that could handle Volatile eliquids they work Great as long as I'm putting some other Cartos in em! OK, more ammo for when I discuss this with VaporPhoenix later today! Much later looking at the hour I'm writing this! I'm recovering from surgery to my neck Wednesday. Pain is my Enemy Right Now! Hopefully not VaporPhoenix!? I'm happy with everything else I've purchased from them and Remember its All Your Fault I purchased as much as I did from them! Yep a lot!

OK, Joking aside they have been good with communication but and this is a big but they admit to others complaining of the same and even though I have been very clear describing all that I have done plus tried every Carto I received from them they still want me to "Try Some Things" with emphasis on giving it some time to break in!? I think near 4 weeks is plenty of time with juice in the mouth every day trying to break it in!

I think it is simple that with the slotted design too much juice is entering the device causing the troubles! Now that I see the internals of this device it makes sense! Thanks for that Oce! I'll update with you all what comes of it. The Boges and SmokTech Work Great! An older VAMO 1 working the one Slotted Carto then I have 3 VAMO 2's with 3 different juices I'm alternating all day & night with the Carto Tanks installed with the Boges & SmokTech's. I couldn't be more happy with the Tanks and these Cartos! And that's even with the Kanger Pro Tanks I recently received! The Carto Tanks are getting more use!

Skullman {:{}

 

[The Ocelot]

Hey Ocelot: I figured you would pipe in at some time. Yeah I know you wouldn't steer me in the wrong direction looking for Tanks that could handle Volatile eliquids they work Great as long as I'm putting some other Cartos in em! OK, more ammo for when I discuss this with VaporPhoenix later today! Much later looking at the hour I'm writing this! I'm recovering from surgery to my neck Wednesday. Pain is my Enemy Right Now! Hopefully not VaporPhoenix!? I'm happy with everything else I've purchased from them and Remember its All Your Fault I purchased as much as I did from them! Yep a lot!

OK, Joking aside they have been good with communication but and this is a big but they admit to others complaining of the same and even though I have been very clear describing all that I have done plus tried every Carto I received from them they still want me to "Try Some Things" with emphasis on giving it some time to break in!? I think near 4 weeks is plenty of time with juice in the mouth every day trying to break it in!

I think it is simple that with the slotted design too much juice is entering the device causing the troubles! Now that I see the internals of this device it makes sense! Thanks for that Oce! I'll update with you all what comes of it. The Boges and SmokTech Work Great! An older VAMO 1 working the one Slotted Carto then I have 3 VAMO 2's with 3 different juices I'm alternating all day & night with the Carto Tanks installed with the Boges & SmokTech's. I couldn't be more happy with the Tanks and these Cartos! And that's even with the Kanger Pro Tanks I recently received! The Carto Tanks are getting more use!

Skullman {:{}

The reply at the end of my "Frankencarto" thread was from an email I got from Adam(?) at Vapor Phoenix. My complaint was that I bought the cartos specifically because they were higher resistance, but they fried.

ETA: I hope you're feeling better soon! I'm trying to love the Protanks, I'm liking them more than I did (but not as much as I wanted to), yet I still keep coming beck to my carto tanks: Smoktech/Boge and now IKenVape - which are really nice if you can get them.