On stockpiling after FDA deeming regulations

[Two_Bears]

Well I just placed my last FT order for stocking up. Thank you so much for that coupon code; it took a nice chunk off the total.

I really only have the rest of this month and July to order online. I fully expect WA to prohibit online sales. If I am wrong, it will be a good thing and I won't regret all the items I've acquired. I only bought good things I know I would use regardless of the regs.

My local B&M chain expects to survive at least for the next two years. It can afford tobacco licensing fees easily. So that will be my main resource until/if the FDA bans 2007 through present-day products and I will just use products I buy from them in the meantime.

Really the only ..... in my vaping chain is my limitations for DIY lol. I know I can make vapable juice but will it be as good and enjoyable as what I've been able to buy? Who knows. Really I enjoy the flavors the most; it doesn't matter what type of device or tank I'm forced to use due to availability. Nothing to me is more fun than shopping for an exciting new flavor.

You will make some liquid that is so bad you can't vape it. So start with small batches till you have some delicious recipes. Wont surprise me if you are making better Juice than you can buy in 2-3 months.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

I have been seeing this said a lot, but, has this been confirmed as 100% true (from governmental sources) or are we still speculating/assuming when vaping related gear/eliquid is deemed a tobacco product 8/16 it will be automatically included in the online buying/shipping/receiving tobacco bans for those states that have this law?

Depends on the wording of each states law.
But I also expect the laws to be amended to cover vaping if they do not already.
Some currently do and some do not.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

It has. It got to the USA on the 14th.

Not sure what you use to Track your package with? But 17Track gives pretty good History Info.

ALL-IN-ONE PACKAGE TRACKING | 17TRACK

Thank you for that link. I couldn't get anything on the Netherlands postal sight.
Do you know what 'The item is pre-advised' means' ?

eta I found the meaning,,,,,"Item pre-advised" means the carrier was notified that the shipment is about to be there for shipping but it's not physically with the carrier yet. You may check back later.

 

[zoiDman]

Thank you for that link. I couldn't get anything on the Netherlands postal sight.
Do you know what 'The item is pre-advised' means' ?

I believe that "Pre-Advised" means that a that a Shipping Label has been created and the Postage has been Paid.

PM Sent.

 

[Two_Bears]

Ok, I REALLY have completed my stash now, lol. Just need to order my grandson's LP Reo later in the week and his is done too

I have a great local vape store that will stay open as long as possible so its not like we won't be buying anything new in the future for as long as we can, BUT it feels really good to know I'm not going to have to deal with on-line age verification, adult signature required shipping cost, or stupid state laws that make ordering or selling via the internet difficult, or even import difficulties should they arise down the road. I don't have to worry about changes to the PACT Act that prohibit USPS shipping of our stuff. I've saved a fortune by avoiding the coming sin taxes and almost everything I've stashed has been purchased at great prices so a lot has been saved that way too.

Should a miracle happen and things not become as bleak as it appears now, I've simply assured this grandma will only be spending a minimal amount for my vaping enjoyment for the rest of my life. And I've insured my 18 year old grandson can continue to vape, if he chooses, for a very long time at a very reasonable cost.

Thats why myself and many others have been screaming to prep at the top of our lungs.

Prep now abd continue to vape what you need and like. You avoid inflation and the sin taxes COMING down the tracks.

One state New York if memory serves wants to tax 2 ml of ejuice at the same level as a pack of cigarettes.

Here in AZ the state tax on a pack of cigarettes is $2. Many States charge much more tax; buf lets use my state for example. Are you willing to pay $10 + tge cost of the Juice.

There are some here that vape 30 ml a day. I'm sure they don't want to send the Govenor $30 or more every day just for taxes.

 

[Two_Bears]

Plus the Replacement Glass Tank. (purple tank for Daughter)

I am a Vapaholic

Me too.

 

[Two_Bears]

I have been seeing this said a lot, but, has this been confirmed as 100% true (from governmental sources) or are we still speculating/assuming when vaping related gear/eliquid is deemed a tobacco product 8/16 it will be automatically included in the online buying/shipping/receiving tobacco bans for those states that have this law?

Unfortunately yes.

Several States already have these idiot laws.

According to the deeming regulations everything vaping related is clasdified as a tobacco product whether it has tobacco in it or not all ejuice, and anything intended to be used with vaping even nicotine extracted from eggplant.

There was four States with those laws, and a fifth state enacted that law about a week ago. If memory serves Washington classified shippung Juice across state lines as a felony.

Folks if you live in these States the time grows short ,5-6 weeks

 

[Two_Bears]

Innovation is great. The only problem with that in the vaping industry is that things get obsolete so quickly. The people who prefer 'older tech' (such as myself) are stuck scouring the internet for what they want, and in some cases they are unable to find it at all. That's a shame, when you find something that works for you, or think could work for you, to find it's no longer available.

Are the majority of vapers really into clouds over flavor? It would seem so if the way the market looks to me to be headed is any indication.

Not me

I'm a flavor junkie

 

[Haylon357]

Can you Site the California Law which Prohibits California Residents (21+) from receiving Nicotine, E-Liquids, Mods, Coils, etc, after 8-8-16.

I think it is sad that 18 is the legal age to die for your country. But you have to be 21 to buy alcohol and now nicotine..... I need a vape.


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[zoiDman]

I think it is sad that 18 is the legal age to die for your country. But you have to be 21 to buy alcohol and now nicotine..... I need a vape.


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I am, and have been, Strongly Opposed to an Age Limit that is Greater than 18 to buy Tobacco or e-Cigarette Products.

But just to be Clear. I know of No Existing CA Law that is going to Prohibited California Residents (21+) from receiving Nicotine, E-Liquids, Mods, Coils, etc, after 8-8-16.

And I am curious where Two_Bears is getting this from?

 

[bnrkwest]

Thats why myself and many others have been screaming to prep at the top of our lungs.

Prep now abd continue to vape what you need and like. You avoid inflation and the sin taxes COMING down the tracks.

One state New York if memory serves wants to tax 2 ml of ejuice at the same level as a pack of cigarettes.

Here in AZ the state tax on a pack of cigarettes is $2. Many States charge much more tax; buf lets use my state for example. Are you willing to pay $10 + tge cost of the Juice.

There are some here that vape 30 ml a day. I'm sure they don't want to send the Govenor $30 or more every day just for taxes.

Yes stock up!!! Do it now! You will feel so much better

 

[Haylon357]

I am, and have been, Strongly Opposed to an Age Limit that is Greater than 18 to buy Tobacco or e-Cigarette Products.

But just to be Clear. I know of No Existing CA Law that is going to Prohibited California Residents (21+) from receiving Nicotine, E-Liquids, Mods, Coils, etc, after 8-8-16.

And I am curious where Two_Bears is getting this from?

Didn't CA sign a law that the legal age to buy tobacco products is 21?

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[zoiDman]

Didn't CA sign a law that the legal age to buy tobacco products is 21?

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Yes. The Legal age to purchase Tobacco Products and e-Liquids/e-Cigarettes is 21+ in California.

 

[crxess]

Didn't CA sign a law that the legal age to buy tobacco products is 21?

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Any State which has or will shortly TAX E-liquids will Battle for Tax on imported E-Liquids(Imported=into state) It will take a Crowbar to Get e-liquid into Indiana after July 1, 2016

 

[Mowgli]

So today I go visit my son and we go to a vape shop near where he lives. I go inside and start talking with the people who run the shop and ask if they know about the FDA deeming. Hardly a concern, in fact they are very confident that nothing will happen at all. I pretty much got laughed at when I said I was stocking up on supplies. They didn't want to hear about it, so that was that. Guess they might be in for a rude awaking. Wish I was as confident as they were.

Visit them again in mid-August for their Going Out Of Business sale

 

[grandmato5]

Several States have already States that ceritain items like batteries, ejuice and tobacco prodycts cannot be shipped ib those States.

As of 8/8/2016 nicotine, ejuice, mods, coils etc are labeled as tobacco prodycts and cannot be shipped into Washington state, New York, California, and other States

They say without pmta they can stay on tge market. However the US Government is notorious for breaking treaties when they wanted.

I trust tge Govt as far as i can throw an elephant.

New York State does not have a law that will make shipping here illegal as of 8/8/16. Our law written in 2000 and upheld by the court in 2003 is for "cigarettes" and will need to be amended before "tobacco product" are included. And yes, I do expect that at some point in the future they will change it, but we are ok 8/8/16.

 

[Bonskibon]

Visit them again in mid-August for their Going Out Of Business sale

Wish I could like that. It's just a shame how many shops just don't care.

 

[zoiDman]

Any State which has or will shortly TAX E-liquids will Battle for Tax on imported E-Liquids(Imported=into state) It will take a Crowbar to Get e-liquid into Indiana after July 1, 2016

In a somewhat Ironic Twist, after the Governor of California signed a host of Ant-Vaping Bills and Raising the Legal age to 21, he Vetoed this bill...

Bill Text - ABX2-10 Local taxes: authorization: cigarettes and tobacco products.

... which would have Included e-Cigarettes and e-Liquids.

 

[Mowgli]

Wish I could like that. It's just a shame how many shops just don't care.

NorthEast is a large area but visit Bay Sate Vapors in Auburn MA & Digital Cloudz in Ayer MA
Both have large selections for n00bs and both are active in advocacy.
Not saying you're a n00b.
It's a deal breaker if they don't care to help smokers quit or help the good fight IMO.
Good shops help smokers quit first & foremost. Clouds just pay the rent to help do that.

 

[GunMonkeyINTL]

Looking into buying a few mechs if all my electronic mods fail. So if I buy a few of these, I can just pop my STM with my 1.0 ohm RBA build on top? I understand there are other battery/safety issues to be aware of with mechs, I'm just talking about compatibility. Thanks again all for the help.

$18.80 Nemesis Style Mechanical Mod - 18350 / 18500 / 18650 mod at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

Only use the STM and most tanks on a mech with a 510 center pin in the top. Such as a Nemesis.
NEVER use the STM on a mech with a hybrid style topcap such as the SMPL mods which just have a hole in the top to screw your atty and your atty directly connects with the top of your battery.

Dcdozer, yes, you can use your STM on a mech mod, observing all the same safety precautions you would use with any build/atty. if you don't already know those rules/precautions, then study up on them a little bit. They're not overly complicated, but are very important. Once you understand them, you own them, and you'll be fine.

Robert Cromwell's advice that you should "NEVER" use a STM on a mech with a "hybrid" of "direct to battery" top cap is just, well, wrong.

Those type of top caps do have the additional concern of requiring you to make sure that the positive pin of your atty stands proud of the negative-thread, but that is the same with any atty, not just the STM.

I've used all of my STMs in a mech with that kind of top cap, knowing what to check before I installed them, and they've worked perfectly, with no more or less risk than any of my RDAs.

Whether you buy mechs with a traditional 510 connector or a "hybrid"/"direct to battery" top cap is a personal choice. The 510 connector has one less safety check you have to be concerned with, but the "hybrid" has several fewer parts to fail and is more robust- the additional safety "concern" is literally a 1/2 second to make sure your atty is good-to-go before installing.

You probably give an atty a quick once-over before you install it on any mod now, whether it is conscious or not. Using a hybrid top-cap is not a big deal. Just need to know that your positive pin should stand proud. And, if you have one that doesn't, you stick an o-ring under the pin (in most cases), and you're GTG.