This with some "best practices" treatment protocols could be the salvation of Medicare. Go ahead, call me a cynic.
On stockpiling after FDA deeming regulations
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This with some "best practices" treatment protocols could be the salvation of Medicare. Go ahead, call me a cynic.
The raw flavors will always be available just how we get them today. If they banned the raw flavorings it would decimate the candy, gum, mint businesses and many bakeries as well. I can see them doing something with the flavors of pre-made juices though, just not the raw flavors.
I have not stocked up yet, but I am definitely no "grasshopper". I just realize that stocking up before the rules are even announced may be premature, especially since nic does deteriorate over time. The latest announcement is just a general direction of planning. We have years before they even announce their actual planned rules, then maybe a couple more while they take feedback from the public and get the plan approved. All that time is time your stores can be deteriorating. Not to mention you could be stocking up on things that may not even be part of the plan. Will flavors be affected? How? Will wire be affected? How? Will raw batteries be affected? How? Will existing mods/tanks be grandfathered? I absolutely will be stocking up, but not until I see the plan and know exactly what to stock up on.
I do realize many people have stocked up due to absurd state and local taxes and regs, so I will also be keeping an eye on my state as well. Currently I am one of the lucky ones in a state that isn't trying to destroy vaping, so for now I can afford to wait.
JMO.
But I believe what this FDA wants to do when they say they want "Lower Nicotine Levels" or make a "Less Addictive" addictive Cigarette is they want to Remove Many of the Added Chemicals that are in Todays cigarette tobacco.
To make (and I know this is going to be an Oxymoron) a Healthier Cigarette.
Be it that they just Acknowledge that Cigarettes can Never be completely Removed from the Market (or that they Don't want to for Loss of Tax Revenue) or that e-Cigarettes are showing that they are Viable Harm Reduction, or that the FDA is Finally doing something aliened with their Mission Statement Tobacco-wise.
Whatever the Reason, I believe this FDA is trying to Break from the Failed Tobacco Policies of the Past.
How it Shakes out for Vaper's is to be Seen.
I think everyone is different in that regard, my feelings were much different than yours.
I never liked DIY.. all i wanted was to buy what i needed and go on with my life.. the FDA denies us that.
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Yeah I have 2 liters of 100 nic and a gallon of 60 nic, and I wouldn't mind another gallon or two to be on the safe side, in case I get old (I hear this happens, with harm reduction).
I agree about the flavors, which is why I'm halting stashing anything more than nic, I just do it in stages and figure I'll be good to go within the next 6 months (for my own comfort level).
I guess I am kind of an ant. Hopefully I'll never need all of it, just trying to balance "prudent reserve" and length nic will keep and etc.
Something politicians NEVER seem able to do (the prudent reserve thing) in fact WHENEVER they get one, like with Social security, they find ways to steal, ahem borrow it.
Oh well, fortunately I can still arrange my own home how I want. I know I'll be vaping come what may, but I desire to be the happy, satisfied vaper I am now.
And.... I still feel terrible for those to come "discovering" vaping. And, smoking ultra lights is my version of smoking hell... You have to tear the filters off to even get anywhere and even then, it's like sucking on a Berserker with ZERO airflow.
How unfortunate if all these maybe soon to be unhappy smokers have to deal with redacted vaping. I guess we'll see what happens. I still do what I can, follow CASA and etc., I'm just not overly hopeful, I guess.
It really does suck though, to say "Okay, how much will I stockpile and when" but it's probably worse than NOT doing it. Just my opinion as always.
Anna
I agree about the flavors, which is why I'm halting stashing anything more than nic, I just do it in stages and figure I'll be good to go within the next 6 months (for my own comfort level).
I guess I am kind of an ant. Hopefully I'll never need all of it, just trying to balance "prudent reserve" and length nic will keep and etc.
Something politicians NEVER seem able to do (the prudent reserve thing) in fact WHENEVER they get one, like with Social security, they find ways to steal, ahem borrow it.
Oh well, fortunately I can still arrange my own home how I want. I know I'll be vaping come what may, but I desire to be the happy, satisfied vaper I am now.
And.... I still feel terrible for those to come "discovering" vaping. And, smoking ultra lights is my version of smoking hell... You have to tear the filters off to even get anywhere and even then, it's like sucking on a Berserker with ZERO airflow.
How unfortunate if all these maybe soon to be unhappy smokers have to deal with redacted vaping. I guess we'll see what happens. I still do what I can, follow CASA and etc., I'm just not overly hopeful, I guess.
It really does suck though, to say "Okay, how much will I stockpile and when" but it's probably worse than NOT doing it. Just my opinion as always.
Anna
I started DIY to save money. It worked. Futureproofing was just a byproduct.
We have enough nic that my family and friends will vape as much as we want until we don't want to anymore.
We have enough nic that my family and friends will vape as much as we want until we don't want to anymore.
I didn't really want to DIY either, after all at MBV's prices vaping was already relatively inexpensive. I was forced to start DIY when MBV stopped making my ADV juice (Wintergreen). I am glad I did becuause to get my wife to stop smoking and back to vaping this most recent time, I had to custom make her a Mandarin Orange juice of 6mg nic with 2mg from freebase, 2mg from salts, and 2mg from WTA. Yeah good luck finding that pre-made anywhere.
Absolutely, "regulations" always reduce our choices.
However, I don't mind having been pushed in the direction of DIY and dirt-simple, will last a lifetime, rebuildable devices.
One reason: The amount I've spent on consumables in the last ~18 months is precisely $0.00
(Not counting nic base I've bought for science.)
I hear the back country of Alaska ain't bad either.
Coming up on 5 years smoke-free @ScottP ?
I remember that a whole lotta MBV fans were ...... with that wintergreen fiasco.
DIY MBV Hawk Sauce steeping and I still DIY Blue Moo & Banana Cream Pie.
MBV started requiring distributor paperwork to buy from their wholesale site.
It pays to be a friendly sort because I have vapeshop owner friends.
I wanted to move to Alaska so bad, I have a pal there who was happy to pay me over 70K to come be a social worker for her. Unfortunately it's not the cold, it's the photoperiod that drove me away. I don't think I could handle 24/7 daylight half the year, and no light the other half. It makes relatively sane people go a little crazy, I just tended to consider it a bad idea.
And, over 70K in Alaska doesn't buy that much either, so there was that. Not worth risking it.
But Texas.... If we ever move again, it will be to somewhere in Texas. That state is just full of win!
Anna
And, over 70K in Alaska doesn't buy that much either, so there was that. Not worth risking it.
But Texas.... If we ever move again, it will be to somewhere in Texas. That state is just full of win!
Anna
Yep. There's a reason why places like Florida and Arizona are so popular with older folks.
But... When I was down here in January, it actually got below freezing a couple of nights. BRRR..
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Actually a bit over 5 years. I switched Jan 1 2013. I just didn't find ECF until after a few months.
I was only mad until i found how cheap and easy DIY Wintergreen actually was. I am sure trying to replicate more complex flavors might be more of a pain, but I just use Wintergreen and a cooling agent that's it. I have been getting my nic from NicotineRiver and it is cheap enough. I can see the advantage of wholesale though.
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