On stockpiling after FDA deeming regulations

[Two_Bears]

I don't understand why anyone would be reluctant to stockpile, particularly nic base. I started vaping in mid-December of 2013 (the day before I joined ECF). Four day later I had my last cigarette. Two weeks later, I decided there was no way I'd ever let the goobermint take this miracle away from me and ordered my first liter of 100mg nic base. I've bought another liter every few months since then and will keep doing so as long it's available at a reasonable price from reputable sources. Sadly, I don't think that's gonna be for a whole lot longer.

I look at it this way: Even if Congress or the Courts slap down some of the most onerous provisions of the Dooming Regs and the vapestuff we know and love remains available, I think it's almost inevitable that the juice and nic base will end up getting taxed at levels comparable to traditional tobacco products, which means it will be far more expensive to buy later rather than sooner.

I remember sering something that some state. Wanted to tax 2ml ejuice the same as a pack of cigarettes. There in AZ the tax is. $2 a pack.

If that person was right there would be $10 taxes tacked onto a 10 ml bottle ejuice.

I can sorta understand why they get scared of nic base.

I cannot understand why they keep paying $2-6 per coil that doesnt last very long maybe two weeks.

I wrap my own coils.

Each coil lasts 10-13 weeks and costs me about 1.5 cents

I rewick every 3-4 days.

My coils and wick fof a year of vaping is only about $1.25.

They pay $26-$150 a year for CONVENIENCE. I pay $1.25 a year and don't find it inconvenient at all.

Spending 12 -15 minutes wraping and installing my 4-5 coils, and two minutes every 4 days to Dry burn tge coil and insert another wick.

The reason i understand them being scared of nic. They see 100 mg/ml nicotine and assuming it is 100% pure nicotine.

 

[mikepetro]

As I mentioned before, stockpiling is all about "insurance". Some (most) of us buy health/life/auto insurance to mitigate the various risks.

Each persons tolerance for risk is their own decision.

When it comes to the nico-demon, my own personal tolerance for risk is very low....

 

[Two_Bears]

I've been making NET for years so actually DIY is/has been my thing but I still enjoy sampling retail offerings even though I usually end up giving them away. I would hate if the select few retail flavors I do enjoy were to disappear, become unavailable to me (no internet tobacco purchases) or became cost prohibitive to buy. I personally believe we have a few years left and intend to make the most of it with gluttonous, self-indulgent behavior.

Becoming proficient at DIY takes some time mainly in finding the individual concentrated flavorings -you- prefer but also in learning how and in what percentages to mix them in order to make a juice you really like. I make hybrid (flavored) NETs which is somewhat different than regular DIY due to the extraction process but it took over a year before I could produce a finished product as good or better than was available retail. It might be a really good idea for anyone who intends to continue vaping to learn how to DIY while they still have plenty of time to master the skill. No better time to start than the present and without a doubt it's a handy skill set to have "just in case". No matter what happens on the legal front, I'll still be able to enjoy vaping my favorite juice at a cost less than three cents per ml to make for the rest of my life. Peace of mind.....Priceless.

I recommend people getting into DIY to start SMALL batches like 5 ml
Thus way if you hate the vape i would rather throw away ,5 ml instead of 30 ml.

When you hit gold record the recipe anf do your happy dance.

 

[mikepetro]

Back in 2014 when I saw the first FDA draft I recognized the need to become as self-sufficient as possible. The writing was on the wall "Winter is coming".

First I learned how to DIY ejuice, then I learned how wrap coils, then I learned how to build mods. With all the trial and error I am not sure I saved much money at first, I threw away a lot! That improved as I gained experience. However, the knowledge that I can now do most of this MYSELF is priceless.

 

[Two_Bears]

Ditto. Three years worth of quality nic for the cost of a -single- carton of smokes. Not much more than many people currently spend on a weeks worth of retail juice. The fact nic stores almost indefinitely is just icing on the cake. With states eyeing potential revenue from our soon to deemed "tobacco products", I figure buying nic now is like having bought shares of Microsoft stock for $10 back in the 80's. Since there is absolutely -zero downside- to stockpiling it, I've invested appropriately.

The only downside is not to prep.

If they decide to stop vaping they can sell the gear and nic fof more than you paid for it and still give the buyer tge deal of tge Century by helping the buyer avoid taxes and inflation.

 

[Two_Bears]

As I mentioned before, stockpiling is all about "insurance". Some (most) of us buy health/life/auto insurance to mitigate the various risks.

Each persons tolerance for risk is their own decision.

When it comes to the nico-demon, my own personal tolerance for risk is very low....

I hear ya.

That id why i vape 5 months after going nic free last December.

 

[Two_Bears]

MFS has 1 liter of 100 mg nic for $42 using the CC MEM2016. Good thru tomorrow I think.

Thanks Robert.

 

[Two_Bears]

Back in 2014 when I saw the first FDA draft I recognized the need to become as self-sufficient as possible. The writing was on the wall "Winter is coming".

First I learned how to DIY ejuice, then I learned how wrap coils, then I learned how to build mods. With all the trial and error I am not sure I saved much money at first, I threw away a lot! That improved as I gained experience. However, the knowledge that I can now do most of this MYSELF is priceless.

Ive been a survivalist for 43 years. When the FDA over resched and was slapped down in 2009 got my attention

I was scared of vaping for a few years till i found out what the liquid was then I tried vaping and now i am free of the nic demon.

 

[WhiteHighlights]

Ive been a survivalist for 43 years. When the FDA over resched and was slapped down in 2009 got my attention

I was scared of vaping for a few years till i found out what the liquid was then I tried vaping and now i am free of the nic demon.

TB, for some of us nic isn't a demon. I'm on medications that fuzz the brain. In some testing, nic can help improve concentration and focus. I need all the help I can get. I'm at 6mg and am not in a rush to go lower. Because of my condition, stocking up on nic as an insurance policy was a no brainer (lol).

 

[Mowgli]

18 Aromamizer V2 attys, and 20+ spare glass tanks and oring kits

Awesome. I have 3 V2s, a V1, a Supreme & 2 Boreas. And a Steam Crave t-shirt
I plan on hoarding more V2s. Great minds yada yada

Knowledge to fix anything I have

Its called my "30 year plan".........

2 gallons of 100mg in glass in the freezer now.
More to come if/when FDA's Little Boy is actually plummeting towards us.
RTS Vapes (15% MD discount) has a potent storage-friendly option that we can't discuss here.

DIY ejuice will be barter currency to get my gear fixed if/when needed in the future

 

[crxess]

Ecigexpress

1 Liter 200mg/ml, 4 blend options - $79.99

I think it's almost inevitable that the juice and nic base will end up getting taxed at levels comparable to traditional tobacco products, which means it will be far more expensive to buy later rather than sooner.

Because I completely agree, I just ordered 2 Liters to add to my 7 Liters of 100mg/ml Nicotine.

I Refuse to willingly Allow The FDA/US Government or Any State to Dictate my Choice in my Decision to STOP SMOKING or to Profit from that Choice.

 

[YoursTruli]

I remember sering something that some state. Wanted to tax 2ml ejuice the same as a pack of cigarettes. There in AZ the tax is. $2 a pack.

If that person was right there would be $10 taxes tacked onto a 10 ml bottle ejuice.

I can sorta understand why they get scared of nic base.

I cannot understand why they keep paying $2-6 per coil that doesnt last very long maybe two weeks.

I wrap my own coils.

Each coil lasts 10-13 weeks and costs me about 1.5 cents

I rewick every 3-4 days.

My coils and wick fof a year of vaping is only about $1.25.

They pay $26-$150 a year for CONVENIENCE. I pay $1.25 a year and don't find it inconvenient at all.

Spending 12 -15 minutes wraping and installing my 4-5 coils, and two minutes every 4 days to Dry burn tge coil and insert another wick.

The reason i understand them being scared of nic. They see 100 mg/ml nicotine and assuming it is 100% pure nicotine.

well.... good for you but I seriously wish you would quit making blanket statements of judging and calling people out. Not everyone CAN wrap coils or rebuild attys, some people have physical limitations, visual limitations or poor mechanical skills, they do the best they can (like buying premade/precoiled coils) in order to keep vaping... JUST like you.

 

[Two_Bears]

TB, for some of us nic isn't a demon. I'm on medications that fuzz the brain. In some testing, nic can help improve concentration and focus. I need all the help I can get. I'm at 6mg and am not in a rush to go lower. Because of my condition, stocking up on nic as an insurance policy was a no brainer (lol).

Nic used to make me do stuff i didn't want to do all the time.

I had THR choice of smoking of being misersble until i did smoke.

A Friend Karen used to be out every morning picking up cigarette butts to smoke just because she can't afford to smoke now.

I have her a starter kit and she Vapes now.

Calling the cravings a demon us a LOT better than using a few choice four letter words to say what i really think.

 

[mikepetro]

Ecigexpress

1 Liter 200mg/ml, 4 blend options - $79.99



Because I completely agree, I just ordered 2 Liters to add to my 7 Liters of 100mg/ml Nicotine.

I Refuse to willingly Allow The FDA/US Government or Any State to Dictate my Choice in my Decision to STOP SMOKING or to Profit from that Choice.

I cant find that, link please?

 

[crxess]

The reason i understand them being scared of nic. They see 100 mg/ml nicotine and assuming it is 100% pure nicotine.

Straw that breaks the Camels Back!
Total Lack of understanding by judging according to ones own abilities or standards.
This mentality by others is what got us into this situation to start with.
i.e. I don't like Vaping, you shouldn't
I think it is unsafe - you should agree
It is the same as smoking
etc.,etc.,etc.

well.... good for you but I seriously wish you would quit making blanket statements of judging and calling people out. Not everyone CAN wrap coils or rebuild attys, some people have physical limitations, visual limitations or poor mechanical skills, they do the best they can (like buying premade/precoiled coils) in order to keep vaping... JUST like you.

Each in their own way

 

[crxess]

I cant find that, link please?

200mg Wholesale Nicotine - 1 Liter

Welcome

 

[mikepetro]

200mg Wholesale Nicotine - 1 Liter

Welcome

Thank you.....

 

[dennism]

well.... good for you but I seriously wish you would quit making blanket statements of judging and calling people out. Not everyone CAN wrap coils or rebuild attys, some people have physical limitations, visual limitations or poor mechanical skills, they do the best they can (like buying premade/precoiled coils) in order to keep vaping... JUST like you.

Thank you for saying what I was thinking, and I agree 100%.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Straw that breaks the Camels Back!
Total Lack of understanding by judging according to ones own abilities or standards.
This mentality by others is what got us into this situation to start with.
i.e. I don't like Vaping, you shouldn't
I think it is unsafe - you should agree
It is the same as smoking
etc.,etc.,etc.



Each in their own way

The ex smoker attitude?

Many vapers seem to be against smoking where they were not before they started vaping.They were just one of the persecuted smokers then. Now the smokers are stinkies?

The more things change the more they stay the same.
Humans....

Me? Do whatever you want as long as it hurts no one else.

 

[sofarsogood]

I have 6 liters of 100 mg of nic I broke them down to 250ml bottles and froze them
I use 120 ml 24mg juice a month I estimate I have enough to last me 15.8 years
Could somebody that knows chime in and tell me my math is correct thanks in advance

A 1 liter bottle of 100mg nic has 100,000 mg of nic. I vape 7ml of liquid per day with 10mg nic so 10mg nic x 7ml = 70mg nic per day. 100,000 mg nic / 70mg per day = 1428 days / 365 = 3.9 years per bottle--for me.

I have several liters. One of them is divided into 4 250ml active bottles. When they are empty I'll split the next liter into the 250ml bottles.