On stockpiling after FDA deeming regulations

[Mazinny]

That is your choice but what if you're wrong?

I choose to prep stuff i will need because i refuse to go back to cigarettes.

If i'm wrong about there still being products in the market in a few months, i will still be ok. I have enough hardware and liquid for a good while any way. Beyond that, i could order from fasttech. In the unlikely event that shipment is seized, i can have my cousin order for me from Canada. Worst case scenario, i will stop vaping sooner than i expected. I will still be o.k.

I don't think that there is a danger of a crackdown on vape stuff prior to Aug 2018. I chose to believe that the FDA will not ignore the text of the document that took them 7 years to prepare ( they move slow ! ).

I don't think there is a wrong or right answer. I have studied the issue as best as i am able, including a long talk with my main eliquid vendor who is deeply involved in advocacy, and have decided not to stockpile stuff right now. Most who have posted in this thread, have decided otherwise. We are all making decisions based on our evaluation of the situation.

Regardless, i will not go back to smoking either

 

[crxess]

Is there anyway to know without taking the battery out? Can you tell by vapor production?

Non-Regulated Mod - Vapor production starts to Decrease, Flavor starts to Fall off with a NORMAL Draw.

It dies take a bit if getting used to for a Newer Vaper. For someone that has been vaping a while and has some taste bud recovery should notice change quicker.

 

[440BB]

If you're new to mechanical mods, the best thing is to spend a week or so using one, so that you will get familiar with the fairly noticeable drop off in vapor production. You will also get to know that mod's quirks a bit, so you are on the road to mastery of those little beasts!

 

[Bonskibon]

Thanks for all the great advise. I was intimidated about batteries at first and now I'm very comfortable with them. It's just something new and safety is number one.

 

[Iron Molly]

This may also make you feel better: When using a regulated mod, I can tell the battery light is going to start blinking before it does, due to taste and vapor. I bet if you pay attention on a regulated mod, you will get the knack of it. The mech mod is not any different, except that you don't get the flashing light.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

A mech is different because a regulated mod holds the same power to the atty until the battery gets too low and it shuts down. Or a few puffs before it suhts down the vpae quality may change. Some of my regulateds do and some don't.

In a mech mod the battery voltage decreases as the battery is discharged by vaping. As the voltage gets lower the performance of the atty decreases. It is a gradual decrease not an abrupt one like with a regulated mod.

 

[daviedog]

I have to admit that now I'm a bit worried about what I've stockpiled for this upcoming ban (ban.. because that's what it will be). I just had two fairly new Cloupors break down on me. One that had the computer board completely short out and die and the other having issues with the "check atomizer" error no matter how I adjust or change out the pin. That one was only a week old, the one that completely shorted out was only in use about 7 months. I'm replacing them with the Pico, but worried still.

Enter,, the mechanical..

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Those new to mech mods please get ones with a 510 center pin in the top.
Much safer than the hybrid style top cap ones for beginners with mechs.
And you can use ones with the 510 center pin with pretty much any tank or atty.

The ones with just a hole in the top you can see thru for your attys 510 are VERY dangerous to use with many tanks and attys. There are the ones I am calling the ones with the hybrid style topcap.

A true hybrid mod with matching atty are fine but not very common.
And can only be used with a hybrid style atty nothing else will connect to them.

 

[Str8vision]

When you have unrealistic optimism in the face of a Category 5 hurricane, a little common sense is indicated. There are those who are claiming it's not going to be too bad, when in fact, after it's all said and done (providing the court cases are a flat bust), there's not going to be much of anything to see.

The deeming regulations as they're written has the potential to wipe out the majority of what we see available today. And the winner in all this will be the tobacco companies with their closed systems.

I agree but it's not just BT that stands to profit, big Pharma and state governments will as well. Unless mitigated through legislation, the regs as currently written will certainly reek havoc throughout our community over the next two years. Even if we do somehow manage to evade this specific bullet, it won't be the last one they fire. And then there's the states. Anyone who's paid attention to state legislation across the country during the past few years realizes we were already under sustained attack. Remember the nic tax Indiana tried to pass in '15? I do. The potential for a $50 liter of nic suddenly costing $850 got my attention. Look at Arkansas and Utah's current vaping laws. How unfortunate for people living/vaping there, not devastating but definitely a major PITA especially for those who live in a rural setting like I do. And how about New York's proposed legislation? Ouch, even if it doesn't pass it's just a matter of time for people living there. Several states have already imposed "token" vape taxes along with other restrictions but in light of everything being deemed a "tobacco product" what will they do next? Doesn't really take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. While specific details of the future are unknowable, one thing is -crystal clear- the future of vaping includes progressively tighter restrictions, onerous laws and tobacco taxes. It's certainly not going to get any better, easier or less expensive than it is -right now-.

 

[Iron Molly]

A mech is different because a regulated mod holds the same power to the atty until the battery gets too low and it shuts down. Or a few puffs before it suhts down the vpae quality may change. Some of my regulateds do and some don't.

In a mech mod the battery voltage decreases as the battery is discharged by vaping. As the voltage gets lower the performance of the atty decreases. It is a gradual decrease not an abrupt one like with a regulated mod.

I must be some sort of vaping savant, or else I have a puff counter in my head. I know what you said is true, but I still can tell when the battery is getting low. And this is on a Provari. I guess vaping for 5+ years can do that to you?

 

[Robert Cromwell]

I must be some sort of vaping savant, or else I have a puff counter in my head. I know what you said is true, but I still can tell when the battery is getting low. And this is on a Provari. I guess vaping for 5+ years can do that to you?

Perhaps...
As I said some of my regulated mods gives a brief heads up and some do not.

 

[YoursTruli]

I must be some sort of vaping savant, or else I have a puff counter in my head. I know what you said is true, but I still can tell when the battery is getting low. And this is on a Provari. I guess vaping for 5+ years can do that to you?

Same here on the Provari 2.5s I always can tell just before it is going to start blinking, it must be that 5 year thing
On some of my other regulated mods like the evic vtc mini or vaporflask I can never tell when the battery is low though unless I look at the battery indicator.

 

[retired1]

A true hybrid mod with matching atty are fine but not very common.

Hybrids are my favorites. Have two, and I'm thinking about getting a third.

 

[YoursTruli]

On the whole stockpiling thing, people need to do what they feel comfortable with and can afford to do.
A lot of us are of a mind to stock up now based on current Federal regulation and various State laws on tobacco products while others feel a lot more optimistic about it all and are choosing not to stock up, neither needs to defend their view on this.

I agree with Str8vision. It's not just at the federal level we need to be concerned, state and local legislation will also have a negative impact on this industry, much more so now that it has officially been declared a tobacco product.

It's certainly not going to get any better, easier or less expensive than it is -right now-.

No matter how you feel about what is to come there is no denying this fact.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Agreed Truli.
imho the vaping golden age in the USA s peaking and will go downhill a lot though.
I knew about the pending Deeming regs when I started vaping over a year ago and started stockpiling then when I found great deals on vaping stuff I liked.
I suspect there will be more great deals for buyers later this year as more vendors bail out.
Not seen any numbers but I suspect that right now manufacturers are having trouble keeping up with demand.

 

[Mazinny]

Not seen any numbers but I suspect that right now manufacturers are having trouble keeping up with demand.

Not saying you are wrong, but how do you get this impression ? Every single item i have ever purchased, is priced the same or lower than what i paid for it. Not generally an indication of lack of supply.

 

[YoursTruli]

Not saying you are wrong, but how do you get this impression ? Every single item i have ever purchased, is priced the same or lower than what i paid for it. Not generally an indication of lack of supply.

I have not seen price hiking although I have heard of a few cases so far, but I have seen a lot of quick sellouts during some of these memorial day sales. Could be because they are dumping hang around stock they do not have a lot of too. I don't think there is any doubt people are buying things now that they otherwise might not have, I know I am guilty of picking up another vaporflask because of a fantastic sale price

 

[Icemanxxxv]

Stockpile I'm almost stocked up 2000rnds 5.56 1000 9mm 1500 45 acp 500 30-06 300 22-250 1500 12ga 4000 22lr. I'm ready oh yeah plenty of vape gear and diy ingrediants. Now I just need 100 pounds of beans and 300 gallons of fresh water. Better start on that? Set until Armageddon!

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[Mazinny]

I have not seen price hiking although I have heard of a few cases so far, but I have seen a lot of quick sellouts during some of these memorial day sales. Could be because they are dumping hang around stock they do not have a lot of too. I don't think there is any doubt people are buying things now that they otherwise might not have, I know I am guilty of picking up another vaporflask because of a fantastic sale price

I am really tempted by that Vaporflask deal too ! But i'm gonna resist I don't need a mod for the foreseeable future. I will revisit in September or October when all the stuff Shenzhen has in the pipelines will already be in the market, and hopefully there will be some customer feedback by then as well.

 

[crxess]

Not saying you are wrong, but how do you get this impression ? Every single item i have ever purchased, is priced the same or lower than what i paid for it. Not generally an indication of lack of supply.

Unfortunately this applies to a Fast moving, new product market. In a Stalled Market it is unlikely prices will drastically fall due to no availability of a Newer Higher profit product.
Even Used product sales will slow due to minimal gain in re-purchasing.............with exception of Damaged/failed product.


Sadly, there may be a short term Surge of purchases of Over Priced NEW product, before the Start date for no New Products.