On stockpiling after FDA deeming regulations
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You're missing one thing.
They will be available for two years unless the product is tested and is denied. At that point the product has to be removed.
What is to stop these
corrupt Bureaucrats from categorically denyinv a large number of proxucts.
Someone asked this in a PM and I thought I would respond here in case anyone else is interested.
Yes, I think the V2 (luerlok) packaging helps. However, I dont think it even remotely justifies the premium in cost. If you buy glass boston rounds and fill them to just where the narrow neck starts, there is not not enough oxygen trapped in the bottle to do much, even if every bit of the trapped oxygen gets oxidized (unlikely). My habit is to use the smallest bottles that I consider reasonable. The biggest enemy is the introduction of MORE oxygen, not so much what is trapped in the bottle assuming the bottle is full. Plastic can allow more oxygen to enter, thats why we use glass. Opening the bottle is the biggest introduction of oxygen, which is the reason why the NN V2 helps, it prevents MORE oxygen from entering when you use some. If you use small bottles that dont require a lot reopening then you have no need for V2 packaging. "For me" the V2 packaging is certainly convenient, but I can get good nic and a bunch of empty bottles for half of NN's price.
This is a quote from Kurt, who holds a PHD in Chemistry:
As for the V3, I honestly have no clue. I certainly believe it works in preventing oxidation, as theoretically the ascorbic acid will scavenge the available O2 before the nic reacts with it. It works well in food packaging, for example it will keep cut apples from turning brown. What I have zero clue about is vaping the stuff.
Kurt's blurb on it:
Nicotine Comparisons
Yes, I think the V2 (luerlok) packaging helps. However, I dont think it even remotely justifies the premium in cost. If you buy glass boston rounds and fill them to just where the narrow neck starts, there is not not enough oxygen trapped in the bottle to do much, even if every bit of the trapped oxygen gets oxidized (unlikely). My habit is to use the smallest bottles that I consider reasonable. The biggest enemy is the introduction of MORE oxygen, not so much what is trapped in the bottle assuming the bottle is full. Plastic can allow more oxygen to enter, thats why we use glass. Opening the bottle is the biggest introduction of oxygen, which is the reason why the NN V2 helps, it prevents MORE oxygen from entering when you use some. If you use small bottles that dont require a lot reopening then you have no need for V2 packaging. "For me" the V2 packaging is certainly convenient, but I can get good nic and a bunch of empty bottles for half of NN's price.
This is a quote from Kurt, who holds a PHD in Chemistry:
As for the V3, I honestly have no clue. I certainly believe it works in preventing oxidation, as theoretically the ascorbic acid will scavenge the available O2 before the nic reacts with it. It works well in food packaging, for example it will keep cut apples from turning brown. What I have zero clue about is vaping the stuff.
Kurt's blurb on it:
Nicotine Comparisons
BUT nobody HAS to submit applications until the 2 years are up - and why would ANYONE submit their app early? So realistically, I think it's fair to say 2-3 years. They get 3 years if they aren't rejected earlier than the final decision date - which deadline, if they're inundated with apps, the FDA probably can't even meet themselves!You're missing one thing.
They will be available for two years unless the product is tested and is denied. At that point the product has to be removed.
What is to stop these
But..But..I have the money to spend now,not in the next 2 yrs! I've been hoarding money since X-mas to stock up!You're missing one thing.
They will be available for two years unless the product is tested and is denied. At that point the product has to be removed.
What is to stop these
Yes, I realize, but the nearest is still almost 50 miles one way from me -- doesn't make a lot of sense to me to drive a 100-mile roundtrip to buy what I can order online and have delivered for less than my gasoline would cost me
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Thats all from the Federal side. Obviously not favorable.You're missing one thing.
They will be available for two years unless the product is tested and is denied. At that point the product has to be removed.
What is to stop these
I think the State side also is a major threat, and possibly more immediate. Now that all this stuff has been "deemed" as tobacco, the States can step in with their own tobacco regulations, taxes, etc. It is very likely that many States will not allow mail order or Internet sales, just like they prohibit them with tobacco today. It very likely that some States will tax the ever loving crap out of it too.
Last time I bought some bottles I bought some of these Euro capped bottles. They have something that might be similar to NN's V2 cap that accepts a blunt tip needle but I've never seen those NN caps close up. I have not used them yet. I can only assume they remain air tight but have no way of testing it.
15 ml (1/2 oz*) Amber Euro Dropper Bottle with Black Cap
15 ml (1/2 oz*) Amber Euro Dropper Bottle with Black Cap
Yes I read the whole (excellent) thread about nic storage. For me the luer lock top was about convenience and sterility more than oxidation.
I'm thinking, from the posts and NN site, that the NN V2 needs a SHARP to penetrate (that it's the standard self-healing rubber-stopper type); whereas the v3 can use a blunt-tip. I might be wrong tho!!
I agree with Mike. I'm not sure if the whole Nude armor thing really makes that much of a difference. My 3 year old nic in standard amber/polycone is good as new out of the freezer. There are reports of 6-7 year old nic being the same.
I take one extra precaution that probably isn't even necessary but I do vacuum seal all my bottles. Have no clue if even that makes a difference.
With this being said, I'm buying 1-2 liters of nude armor v1 because I'm going for a 15 year supply. Those are my end game nic bottles. With the way my crew slowly drops nic I may end up having a 20 year supply. Will it all last that long? No idea. But I have to at least try it. My gut says it will last that long in storage no problem. IMO- Worst case is it weakens a little. Not hard to adjust for that with a juice calc. Nic test kits are cheap and easy.
I take one extra precaution that probably isn't even necessary but I do vacuum seal all my bottles. Have no clue if even that makes a difference.
With this being said, I'm buying 1-2 liters of nude armor v1 because I'm going for a 15 year supply. Those are my end game nic bottles. With the way my crew slowly drops nic I may end up having a 20 year supply. Will it all last that long? No idea. But I have to at least try it. My gut says it will last that long in storage no problem. IMO- Worst case is it weakens a little. Not hard to adjust for that with a juice calc. Nic test kits are cheap and easy.
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