On stockpiling after FDA deeming regulations

[OcalaFlGuy]

You continue to insist there is ZERO PROBLEM. When I and others dispute that and discuss the high degree of risk you then defend yourself by insisting we prove a 100% chance of supply disruption.

You refuse to recognize the risks associated with assuming any adverse consequences from the inclusion of vape supplies as tobacco products. I won't play your game. I will continue to demand you prove there is ZERO RISK. Nothing in anything you've said proves ZERO RISK.

I absolutely NEVER said my opinion was 100% certainty. In FACT, I even offered up the alternative scenarios and what I thought about them and their likelihood.

Now all you can do is pull completely baseless accusations out of thin air instead of factually discussing something.

I'm done here.
Bruce in Ocala, Fl

 

[Rossum]

Do you have a Florida B&M. Source for concentrated nic? Or are you going to set up a mail drop to pick up your nic during your 48 hour turnaround?

I have a house in FL.

I believe Wizard Labs will allow one to pick up an order in-person.

Trust me, he is all set........

Indeed, I am.

And I urge everyone reading this to get their act together before August 8th because it may become inconvenient to do so thereafter.

But inconvenient does not mean impossible.

 

[OcalaFlGuy]

If you are not interested in stocking up, why are you in a "Stockpiling" thread?

Is there some Thread Nazi Edict I'm unaware of that states I can only post to threads I'm in agreement with?
Bruce in Ocala, Fl

 

[VNeil]

Simply your own Completely Unsubstantiated or backed up GUESS.


A few instances that you offer ZERO back up to Are Not substantiation of any FACT.



Exactly Who is it that is pipe dreaming here?
At least I offer some fact based backup to my opinions that few here have actually attempted to refute. Someone saying Oh I HEARD this somewhere, so this means it's gonna happen to Everyone Everywhere is MY idea of nonsensical.

And you can Count on me to call out baseless Sky is Falling mania inciting whenever *I* see it.
Bruce in Ocala, Fl

Cigar shipments: New Maryland law bans shipments of cigars, pipe tobacco directly to consumers

The above is an example of how my state decided to reinterpret a law in order to restrict/tax cigars. The way USA law works is that govt interprets laws as they see fit. You can fight it but you need deeper pockets than the average vaper has. That is RISK. That state's laws are replete with "tobacco product" in their tobacco laws. That is all the evidence any reasonable person needs to determine a reasonable to high degree of risk after the feds specifically deem vape products to be tobacco products.

You can argue that until the cows come home but I am quite certain you will not be funding any legal challenges to any new "interpretations" of existing tobacco product law.

 

[r055co]

Simply your own Completely Unsubstantiated or backed up GUESS.


A few instances that you offer ZERO back up to Are Not substantiation of any FACT.



Exactly Who is it that is pipe dreaming here?
At least I offer some fact based backup to my opinions that few here have actually attempted to refute. Someone saying Oh I HEARD this somewhere, so this means it's gonna happen to Everyone Everywhere is MY idea of nonsensical.

And you can Count on me to call out baseless Sky is Falling mania inciting whenever *I* see it.
Bruce in Ocala, Fl

So I guess I can ignore the fact that it's a Class C felony to buy Tobacco online in Washington State then?

Direct quote from the Law

Direct quote from the law, as passed:

(1) A person may not:
(a) Ship or transport, or cause to be shipped or transported, any
tobacco product ordered or purchased by mail or through the internet
to anyone in this state other than a licensed wholesale or retailer;
or
(b) With knowledge or reason to know of the violation, provide
substantial assistance to a person who is in violation of this
section.
(2) (a) A person who knowingly violates subsection (1) of this section
is guilty of a class C felony, except that the maximum fine that may
be imposed is five thousand dollars.



http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/bi...ll Reports/Senate Final/5340-S SBR FBR 09.pdf

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[retired1]

Some of you need to back away from the keyboard and cool down.

 

[jwbnyc]

Anyone sitting on a pile of stuff may become a little leery of newbies.

I prefer to remain upbeat for now despite all indications that the opposite is in order.

 

[OcalaFlGuy]

Cigar shipments: New Maryland law bans shipments of cigars, pipe tobacco directly to consumers

The above is an example of how my state decided to reinterpret a law in order to restrict/tax cigars. The way USA law works is that govt interprets laws as they see fit. You can fight it but ypu need deeper pockets than the one average vaper has. That is RISK. That state's laws are replete with "tobacco product" in their tobacco laws. That is all the evidence any reasonable person needs to determine a reasonable to high degree of risk after the feds specifically deem vape products to be tobacco products.

You can argue that until the cows come home but I am quite certain you will not be funding any legal challenges to any new "interpretations" of existing tobacco product law.

Simply your own completely unsubstantiated with anything other than, Cause I think so, Guess that they will do the same with E-Cigs.

Bruce in Ocala, Fl

 

[mikepetro]

Is there some Thread Nazi Edict I'm unaware of that states I can only post to threads I'm in agreement with?
Bruce in Ocala, Fl

No, but if you have no desire to stock, then it leads to to the question of why you are even in this thread.

This thread is all about having "insurance".
If you dont choose to buy insurance, cool, thats your choice.
Why are you here then?

 

[VNeil]

I absolutely NEVER said my opinion was 100% certainty. In FACT, I even offered up the alternative scenarios and what I thought about them and their likelihood.

Now all you can do is pull completely baseless accusations out of thin air instead of factually discussing something.

I'm done here.
Bruce in Ocala, Fl

If you're not arguing 100% certainty why do you continue to advise people that stockpiling is unnecessary? That is known as tap dancing in the face of evidence to the contrary

 

[Bob Chill]

If you're not arguing 100% certainty why do you continue to advise people that stockpiling is unnecessary? That is known as tap dancing in the face of evidence to the contrary

We both live in MD. I'm quite nervous about mail order. Premium cigars (little ones are illegal) and pipe tobacco are the only tobacco products allowed to be shipped from out of State. On 8/8 all ecig products and hardware are tobacco products. Without a specific exemption they will fall outside of cigar/pipe tobacco exemption. So shipping here may become illegal simply by default. And it sucks.

If anyone is interested, here's the law:

"Out-of-State Retailers In Maryland, premium cigars and pipe tobacco are the only tobacco products that legally may be shipped directly to a consumer by an out-of-state retailer. Cigarettes and all other types of tobacco products may not be shipped directly to a consumer. All out-of-state retailers who ship premium cigars and pipe tobacco to consumers in Maryland require the consumer to affirmatively indicate that he or she is at least18 years of age which is Maryland’s legal age for purchasing tobacco. Most states require that purchasers be at least 18 years old at the time of purchase, but a few states require purchasers to be 19 years old resulting in some retailers requiring all purchasers to be 19 years old or older in every state.

Most retailers use an independent age verification service, such as Veritad, to verify the purchaser’s age. These systems use a combination of public records to develop a series of personal knowledge multiple choice questions that, presumably, only the purchaser could answer. If the age cannot be verified through these systems, the retailers require direct telephone contact to attempt other means of verifying the purchaser’s age, generally by obtaining a copy of a driver’s license or some other government identification with photograph. While out-of-state retailers of premium cigars and pipe tobacco work to verify the age of purchasers during the ordering process, there are no statutory requirements for the delivery agent to verify the age of the recipient"

 

[Max-83]

What backup do you have that makes this a FACT Effective 8/8?
I don't usually ignore facts. I Often ignore people's unsubstantiated opinion that they've spun up to Factual status in their own mind.

Bruce,while it is a (semi) free country and everyone is entitled to voice they're opinion, you really need to relax with your anti prepping.

While there is a possibility the regs are temporarily set side during litigation or changed (significantly or not) thru congress, the fact remains that most cash strapped states (show me one thats not or at least doesn't have polls with pet projects that need funding) are gonna tax the crap outta all vaping related products. What does it harm to stock up on some hardware and plenty of nic?

It's not like people are wasting money on something they'll never use, but what about the ones who believe that "it's gonna be all right" and find out that it's not?

 

[WillyZee]

Thank goodness my parents live in Florida ... if anybody needs anything come the fall ... we can just get my Mom to ship to the States affected by the Regs.

Just tell her, you are a friend


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[leftyandsparky]

 

[GaryInTexas]

Blue skies forever optimism is a nice plan...until the storm hits. I see huge dark clouds moving my way and will prepare accordingly. Those that haven't can just feed their vaping habit from the corner store with the approved cig-a-likes.

 

[leftyandsparky]

Thank goodness my parents live in Florida ... if anybody needs anything come the fall ... we can just get my Mom to ship to the States affected by the Regs.

Just tell her, you are a friend


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I just moved from Ocala in 2014
They do love taxes there! If there is a way any state can jump on the tax train Fl will follow...easy money with out raising property taxes.

 

[crxess]

Simply your own Completely Unsubstantiated or backed up GUESS.


A few instances that you offer ZERO back up to Are Not substantiation of any FACT.



Exactly Who is it that is pipe dreaming here?
At least I offer some fact based backup to my opinions that few here have actually attempted to refute. Someone saying Oh I HEARD this somewhere, so this means it's gonna happen to Everyone Everywhere is MY idea of nonsensical.

And you can Count on me to call out baseless Sky is Falling mania inciting whenever *I* see it.
Bruce in Ocala, Fl

Now, the real question is:

Is there anything Wrong with Personal Choice to take precautionary actions?


I Vape
I Vote
I worry
I Care

 

[ENAUD]

That's where I'm fortunate, storing nic in the freezer costs me nothing but space. I use a large industrial freezer that would be running anyway, it's where I store bulk meat purchases and the free half a beef I get each year. In truth I would gladly pay the annual electric cost just for the nic, peace of mind is indeed priceless.

Actually my wife prodded me to get the freezer because she wanted her freezer back, even though I do all the cooking, so technically, my freezer Then she proceeded to put a bunch of Specialty foods in the new freezer

 

[Max-83]

Simply your own completely unsubstantiated with anything other than, Cause I think so, Guess that they will do the same with E-Cigs.

 

[VNeil]

We both live in MD. I'm quite nervous about mail order. Premium cigars (little ones are illegal) and pipe tobacco are the only tobacco products allowed to be shipped from out of State. On 8/8 all ecig products and hardware are tobacco products. Without a specific exemption they will fall outside of cigar/pipe tobacco exemption. So shipping here may become illegal simply by default. And it sucks.

If anyone is interested, here's the law:

"Out-of-State Retailers In Maryland, premium cigars and pipe tobacco are the only tobacco products that legally may be shipped directly to a consumer by an out-of-state retailer. Cigarettes and all other types of tobacco products may not be shipped directly to a consumer. All out-of-state retailers who ship premium cigars and pipe tobacco to consumers in Maryland require the consumer to affirmatively indicate that he or she is at least18 years of age which is Maryland’s legal age for purchasing tobacco. Most states require that purchasers be at least 18 years old at the time of purchase, but a few states require purchasers to be 19 years old resulting in some retailers requiring all purchasers to be 19 years old or older in every state.

Most retailers use an independent age verification service, such as Veritad, to verify the purchaser’s age. These systems use a combination of public records to develop a series of personal knowledge multiple choice questions that, presumably, only the purchaser could answer. If the age cannot be verified through these systems, the retailers require direct telephone contact to attempt other means of verifying the purchaser’s age, generally by obtaining a copy of a driver’s license or some other government identification with photograph. While out-of-state retailers of premium cigars and pipe tobacco work to verify the age of purchasers during the ordering process, there are no statutory requirements for the delivery agent to verify the age of the recipient"

That is also a state that extorted customer records from out of state cig retailers and sent huge bills to those customers. And regularly runs sting operations by monitoring customer traffic to neighboring state low tax cig outlets.