I have nothing against those expensive attys... It's just the people who bash me for not buying them...You know that if nobody ever produced and sold those expensive attys there would be nothing to clone, right?
Also. I have a few authentic +£100 attys but I started off with clones. They were all, leaked, didn't work 10/10, didn't work at all sometimes and last but not least, broken from the get go.
I have one atty that was a mistake. That be the kfun 5. I got it for £99.99 and it is a poor atty.
No wonder there are so many fans of it here when you pay $12!
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That's fair enough, I appreciate your stance. My decision was based on the fact that every single clone I have ever bought has been useless so it made sense for me to buy originals.
The point about authentics = clones is a bonus to me. It would seem that companies such as svoemesto did deserve the money they have made (before the 5). I suppose it's the case with all things and even though a B.M.W is overpriced, a Versace tshirt is overpriced, DVDs & bluerays are overpriced, Fine wines are overpriced but you still may want them (no dvds, designers, wines in my case). Most of those things will depreciate but a good atty won't.
I've had my £100 phenomenon for 7 months. Apart from little scuffs it is as good and reliable as day 1.
That means £102/28 weeks = £3.64 per week.
Every day I use it.
I was spending £70 a week on cigs so is that not worth it???
Edit; obviously that is based on this month and the weekly pricing will decrease even further as time goes by.
Does a firm like svoemesto not deserve some kind of appreciation for developing the build deck and rta that we all know and love?
Last point. Survey this, petition that. Signing wherever you can. Advocacy, advocacy, advocacy. It occurs to me that you should support certain groups to an extent along with signing your name on a petition.
If you don't agree with their pricing, fair enough but just buy from the reams of inexpensive attys, like you said; the engine to name but one.
Let's change your statement a bit:
"It would seem that companies such as svoemesto did deserve the money they have made (after the 4 and 5)
Now I agree with you. They do deserve money they have made, but not my money. I hate their business model. I do have some originals, such as Subtank, Melo, Serpent Mini. Very reasonably priced Chinese originals. My first atomizer, which solidly put me on vaping rails, was original - iClear 16 by Innokin (China). My first mod - VAMO (China). So, even in the beginning I saw Chinese dominance in vaping gear. I think soon China also will take care of MTLangers and Svoemesto will fade. Not because they are inferior, but because of their business model. And opinion about superior machining quality of western originals now is mostly obsolete.
Agreed in parts. I said 5 because I had a clone of 4
It was my last clone because it was so terrible.
The design was completely flawed but I wouldn't offer that opinion because it wasn't an original.
An educated guess leads me to believe it was rubbish.
The lite + is a perfect vape and that is why I have 3 authentics.
You are right about the Chinese in some respects. I believe they are already starting to cater toward the mtl-ers.
That was not the case when I got my lites.
From experience, my cheaper Chinese attys have not been as good as the Greek, Russian or German gear. I think quality control is still taken too lightly in China.
Then again, when things are so cheap. Things can and will slide.
I too believe their business model has become lost.
Their atty is ok for direct lungers but nowhere near what they charge for it.
They, and a few others had control of a smaller, but dedicated bunch of mtl followers.
No longer. Why pay £100 for something you can get from the Chinese for £30?
I used to really care about that, and how clones hurt innovation, then I took a pay cut lol. Also, paying for an authentic, seeing that freinds clone of authentic is of same or better quality and better/stronger materials, and having modders constantly crap all over me after paying hundreds of dollars for poorly machined/faulty parts and then getting the reacharound while trying to get them replaced. At least if that stuff happens with a 10 dollar atty idc anywhere near as much, but actually, in my 7 years of vaping, I have had many more and worse experiences dealing with modders than dealing with China, as a matter of fact, they've always been straight w/ me.
Ofc I still buy plenty of authentics, but if I plan to keep it I almost always buy a clone of it as a source of backup parts. My authentic rose 3 I dropped about 2 feet onto the ground and 3 peices got cross threaded together, they're currently sitting on a shelf, unusable, while the authentic base is now screwed onto a clone tank, collar and chimney. Now go on eden mods website and try to order those parts, impossible right? So I'd be out one of my favorite atty's if not for China. For that reason alone they get 100 Internet points.
Ofc I still buy plenty of authentics, but if I plan to keep it I almost always buy a clone of it as a source of backup parts. My authentic rose 3 I dropped about 2 feet onto the ground and 3 peices got cross threaded together, they're currently sitting on a shelf, unusable, while the authentic base is now screwed onto a clone tank, collar and chimney. Now go on eden mods website and try to order those parts, impossible right? So I'd be out one of my favorite atty's if not for China. For that reason alone they get 100 Internet points.
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I bought a KFL+ clone for $5 to try out. I loved it and promptly dropped over $200 for 3 authentics. Svoemesto would have never got a cent from me if I didn't try the clone first. Same with my Nemesis mechs. I own 2 authentics that I would never have bought if I didn't try clones first.Agreed in parts. I said 5 because I had a clone of 4
It was my last clone because it was so terrible.
The design was completely flawed but I wouldn't offer that opinion because it wasn't an original.
An educated guess leads me to believe it was rubbish.
The lite + is a perfect vape and that is why I have 3 authentics.
You are right about the Chinese in some respects. I believe they are already starting to cater toward the mtl-ers.
That was not the case when I got my lites.
From experience, my cheaper Chinese attys have not been as good as the Greek, Russian or German gear. I think quality control is still taken too lightly in China.
Then again, when things are so cheap. Things can and will slide.
I too believe their business model has become lost.
Their atty is ok for direct lungers but nowhere near what they charge for it.
They, and a few others had control of a smaller, but dedicated bunch of mtl followers.
No longer. Why pay £100 for something you can get from the Chinese for £30?
Cloning is absolutely theft but it allows people to try less expensive versions of items that may amount to future authentic sales.
Newer clones such as the Halady and Origin 16 are very close to the authentics and will very likely cost their manufacturers $$$. Bit of a different story IMO. Not saying it's right, but for many it's hard to justify paying 10-15x the cost for almost the same thing.
To each their own...
At this point, who cares. Everything cool has already been done and the modders are cloning each other.
Sure it's not usually a direct copy but 9 times out of 10 they change like one thing and stamp their name on it.
Example: narda, odis, hadaly.
Sure it's not usually a direct copy but 9 times out of 10 they change like one thing and stamp their name on it.
Example: narda, odis, hadaly.
When the Deeming Regs came down last May, and I realized the vapocalypse really might be a "thing," I realized how foolish I had been to not have anything but mods with internal batts, tanks with drop in replacement coils and to never have given a single thought to juice making. There's no way I could have built up the stash I have and am continuing to build if I hadn't bought some clone attys. My favorite atty, the Siren, isn't a clone and I am happy about that, but my being able to keep vaping for the remainder of my life is much more important to me than whether something is a clone or an authentic. I admire others for being loyal to manufacturer's of original attys and I wish that had been an option for me as well.
Tbh the first time I ever tried a clone, I was pretty much forced into it by the modder, I broke or lost (can't remember) some parts and I probably wouldn't of considered it then or since, had they had the parts I needed.
Edit: I remember now it was my ubertoot, and afterwards I realised they're really not so bad, I got the parts I needed & they were flawless and threaded/fit perfectly on my authentic. To this day the only way I can tell them apart is the slightly different knurling
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Exactly! Clones can be a real life-saver in the right circumstances. I may feel like an idiot for not heeding the warnings about the advent of the Deeming Regs, but, I don't feel guilty about buying clones given my situation.
Yup, especially given the situation in our country, if you want something get it now. Clone or otherwise.
Gotta say I did the whole Kayfun Lite thing after trying Nautilus, Tritons, all of which leaked like crazy in high ohm, low wattage scenarios where you drag like an analog. I was married to the Kayfun because of the "flavor boost" vs. coils, but despite being perfectly capable of building coils it's a PITA if you just want to vape.
I ultimately went retro to the Aerotank family where I can get good clone coils for about $.75 each if I buy 50 at a time and the flavor is not Kayfun, but it's not far enough off to make it worth building, when I only need to switch coils once every couple of weeks. They really don't leak and never flood (like the Nautilus / Triton did occasionally) despite my hard, tight draws at low wattage. They leak on planes, but they all do.
So, after a lot of experimentation I went back to basics and haven't looked back. And these days you can get legit Aerotank stuff of 1:1 clones on eBay for around $10.
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Ok. I do not have a problem with people purchasing clones.
In fact, in BreSha6869s case its a good thing as he then buys an authentic if worth it.
every single clone rta and/or mech was leaky/badly machined/broke after a while/didn't work.
Although every rda was
I bought from all the major guys; SXK, Ehpro etc...
I was on a british site and i saw an authentic kfun lite+ for £50 i thought 'that's too much but ill try it out'
Best move ever. Since then, i have found my style and i proudly walk around with my gear which has never, ever, ever had any problems.
I cracked the poly tank on one kfun but i dont know how.
I think that most vapers have good luck when it comes to clones. For me, why bother buying £15 knock off rubbish kfuns when i can buy the real deal for £50?
Considering that i have had that atty for double the time of the phenomenon and it was half the price, thats =
89p per week! (My maths is terrible even with a calc, somewhere near)
How can that be a bad deal?
Also, like people have said;
You should be glad that chumps/bosses (whichever way you look at things) walk around with £100+ attys so that you can buy $10 knock offs.
Sorry for the longest of rants. Gotta explain myself.
Tl;dr Each to his/her own. As long as mtl attys keep coming i dont care who makes them or how much you pay
In fact, in BreSha6869s case its a good thing as he then buys an authentic if worth it.
every single clone rta and/or mech was leaky/badly machined/broke after a while/didn't work.
Although every rda was
I bought from all the major guys; SXK, Ehpro etc...
I was on a british site and i saw an authentic kfun lite+ for £50 i thought 'that's too much but ill try it out'
Best move ever. Since then, i have found my style and i proudly walk around with my gear which has never, ever, ever had any problems.
I cracked the poly tank on one kfun but i dont know how.
I think that most vapers have good luck when it comes to clones. For me, why bother buying £15 knock off rubbish kfuns when i can buy the real deal for £50?
Considering that i have had that atty for double the time of the phenomenon and it was half the price, thats =
89p per week! (My maths is terrible even with a calc, somewhere near)
How can that be a bad deal?
Also, like people have said;
You should be glad that chumps/bosses (whichever way you look at things) walk around with £100+ attys so that you can buy $10 knock offs.
Sorry for the longest of rants. Gotta explain myself.
Tl;dr Each to his/her own. As long as mtl attys keep coming i dont care who makes them or how much you pay
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This^ I buy Authentic devices/tanks when their actually worth what they're asking. My Evolv boards are worth every penny I paid for them, my Smok tanks are, my drippers are too. I refuse to pay $100+ for a tank when a China based manufacture only charges $20. Does that mean Svoemesto doesn't deserve what they earned? Nope. Here's the thing though; if China starts making good mtl tanks they are going to go under. They're appealing to a very small market just like Provape was.
You are right but there is an elegance and style involved now. For me at least.
I wouldn't just keep buying cheap tat because it's cheap.
The kayfun lite is very good but I am getting more and more impressed by Greek manufacturers.
I have the Paps V4 which is undoubtedly the best mod I have ever bought.
That mod is so worth €99. I suppose if a few rickety plastic boxes and griffins are enough for you then that's great.
Also, I have a few Gus pieces. Again, it's only a metal tube but I think at roundabout €100 they are far from expensive.
when I hold something so beautiful like some of my pieces I am so happy and it only broadens my smile when somebody tells me they can get something which looks the same for $20.
Wonder why Im not impressed how good my mods look?
I'm more interested in performance..but that's just me I reckon, lol
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I'm more interested in performance..but that's just me I reckon, lol
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