Opinion - Better to Quit or Vape?

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Vapoor eyes er

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Oh honey it is much easier on the 'mental aspect' with the physical urges gone. Chantix does not work for everyone and it can be rather dangerous. When I first started it I had to stop taking another medication because it made me severely depressed. Once I stopped the other, Chantix was fine in my system. Until my dosage kept going up with it and my cigarette smoking was not stopping though I was under half a pack which I've never been before. The mixture of cigarettes and this pill made me highly aggressive and angry. So one day I got ticked off enough I tossed out my cigarettes and ashtray. Been over 50 hours now without them and I'm back to being quite cheerful and feel normal again :) If you want to try Chantix to quit, you have to go get a prescription for it. Costs around $160.00 with coupon from Chantix, without insurance. But that is the best $160.00 I ever spent as I can -breathe- again without inhalers... which is how severe my issues were getting with analogs.

I have no problem with you taking Chantrix...just as long as you quit analogs. I'm a member of AA and when I see people get sober/ clean it makes me happy. I don't care how they achieved that goal, only that they are in a state of contented sobriety- that's all that matters to me. It's the same with smoking- chantrix, patches, gum, pv, cold turkey...it's ALL good.
Wishing you the best, Vapoor.
 

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Oh I know it is the analogs themselves, the carbon monoxide/tar that causes copd. I just figured it was silly to stick with nicotine if I can ditch that part at the same time.

I'm wondering how much of a struggle it might be if I do no nicotine and try to quit vaping later.. if I decide to just stop everything completely. I think if I've quit analogs, have no addiction, that I can handle the mental aspect later on ten times better than I'm handling it right now. So that might very well be my way to finish this. Vape on 0 for awhile to get past the nic fits, the analog cravings, etc. And when I've been quit for awhile.. go ahead and dropping vaping then if I want to. That should help me keep away from the dangerous 'start-up again' times. I've been smoking analogs for 14 years, I'm 28 years old. I know some people have for 40 years, but I was a 2-pack a day smoker until a week and a half ago :)

See this is why I wanted to talk. I'm trying to figure out what is best for me, what will work for me so I never fall off the wagon as Vapoor mentions :D
 

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I quit analogs using Chantix a little over 5 months ago. I was doing fine. However, about a month ago I was going through a stressful time and just wanted to have one. Instead I bought a disposable e cig and found that it got me through that rough spot. I decided to purchase a good ecig to just have on hand for times when I wanted to "smoke" so that I wouldn't be tempted to smoke analogs. It has worked beautifully. Just an opinion, do whatever works for you and good luck!
 

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Welcome onto ECF :)

This is what came to me.... You quit... You end up wanting to smoke again... You reach for A. Electronic cigarette or B. cigarette.

I think the electronic is the winner here if after you get off Chantix the urge to smoke comes back. The ritual is the hard part. After I couple days of getting my eGo I haven't had a real cigarette since. Going to be 2 months smoke free November 10th.

I still use nicotine. Nicotine is a stimulant like caffeine. Not that bad by itself. Its all the extra chemicals in the smoke of tobacco doing all the damage. I can breathe like i haven't been able to in years now, I smile more, don't cough well... really at all anymore since going with an electronic cigarette. Long story short, It's saved my life. I don't see it causing me any damage. I just feel better all around. Do your research around here and you will find something that could be very budget friendly for you if you choose to go with an e-cigg to stay away from real cigarettes.
 

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I was smoking a pack a day for about 35 years, I'm 51 now, and decided to quit cold turkey. I quit for about 8 months, then started sneaking in a couple a day, then more, and....well, prob an old story. I've just been off of them for about a week now, so far no cravings or desire to pick up another, and hope it stays that way. If I vape the rest of my life without one more analog, then I will vape. If I decide to stop vaping, and it doesn't lead to analogs, that's fine too, but I still prefer vaping to the possibility of starting up again. If you decide to use e-cigs to help, we will all be here for you, if you decide not to, that's great, too, we will still be here if you want to say hi, and let us know how you are doing :) :).

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P.S. sorry if I misunderstood your original post,
 

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There we go! Tryagain, you just said exactly what my brain needed to sort out. I deal with emotional/psychological issues and so smoking is something I never even thought I could quit, if I had wanted to. Yet here I am, doing amazingly well. THAT however.. scares me. What you mentioned. Hitting a stressful time and wanting one. With my disorders, I constantly have times like that popping up. So I think I found my way back to e-cigs preemptively. I just know there are times when I can't handle the rough spots and I don't.. do not.. want to start on analogs ever again. So I think I'm going to do that. Purchase a nice e-cig to have on hand to keep me off analogs or just during those times I'm feeling nostalgic and miss my sticks badly enough that I'm tempted. Thank you :)


And thank you to everyone else as well. You are so right frosting, that is what I was thinking.. but eh. I'm being hard on myself right now because my emotions are in a tizzy from this no-analog nonsense. I just want to make sure I -quit-. I didn't find a safe-way to escape quitting and still 'smoke'.

Wow, Balt.. good luck with that :) I mean that seriously. I've always known vaping is better than analogs, that is why I tried years ago but just couldn't do it personally.
 
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I had something like 36mg when I first started vaping. I tried 12, 18, etc. Nothing was strong enough for me. However the 36 gave me a headache and made me feel sick rather quickly. I learned that it was just a weak battery, etc that wasn't letting anything really get through on the others. I barely had any vapor.

However this time around.. I just ordered myself a joye ego-t 900MAH type b from Liberty Flights with an assortment of 0mg juices. I have no idea how to use this one but I suppose I shall find out when it gets here :D
 

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After smoking for 22 years with a few breaks. I can tell you that your chances of relapse are high. Do what you think will benefit your health the most. Since I received my PV I haven't had any urge to use an analog at all. And I've been thinking about them a lot as I keep somewhat checking to see if I have the urge to smoke.

Here is some data from a 2006 article in Clinical Psychology Review: "Approximately 70% of current smokers reported that they wanted to quit smoking completely, and 41% reported trying to quit smoking for at least one day in the past year. However, relatively few of these attempts are successful; only 4.7% of current smokers in 2000 were able to quit for at least 3 months (CDC, 2002)."
 

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After smoking for 22 years with a few breaks. I can tell you that your chances of relapse are high. Do what you think will benefit your health the most. Since I received my PV I haven't had any urge to use an analog at all. And I've been thinking about them a lot as I keep somewhat checking to see if I have the urge to smoke.

Here is some data from a 2006 article in Clinical Psychology Review: "Approximately 70% of current smokers reported that they wanted to quit smoking completely, and 41% reported trying to quit smoking for at least one day in the past year. However, relatively few of these attempts are successful; only 4.7% of current smokers in 2000 were able to quit for at least 3 months (CDC, 2002)."

Wow. That says it all, doesn't it?
 

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I had something like 36mg when I first started vaping. I tried 12, 18, etc. Nothing was strong enough for me. However the 36 gave me a headache and made me feel sick rather quickly. I learned that it was just a weak battery, etc that wasn't letting anything really get through on the others. I barely had any vapor.

However this time around.. I just ordered myself a joye ego-t 900MAH type b from Liberty Flights with an assortment of 0mg juices. I have no idea how to use this one but I suppose I shall find out when it gets here :D

Hi CC. Remember that VG= Vapor and PG= Throat Hit (TH). Nicotine also adds to the TH. Also automatic batts will limit the user. I can press down on my manual batt button for 2 secs and then inhale while holding the button for another 4-5 secs. Sometimes I just need that extra kick and the manual puts ME in control rather than the batt.
Good Luck, Vapoor.

Edit: just read a physician's report on smoking cessation devices, excluding Ecigs, and the success rate was 3?%.
 
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obviously it's better to quit than vape, but it is also a lot harder
I'm going to play devil's advocate here, which is easy for me because I actually believe what I am about to say...

I feel that vaping is better than not vaping.
I feel that the small daily doses of PG are a big reason I haven't been sick even once since I started vaping 28 months ago.

Not only that, but I feel that for my personal situation, having a little nicotine is better for me than not having it.

I have a healthy heart and my blood pressure is excellent, so the stimulant effect of nicotine does not concern me at this time.
But I am hoping that a little nicotine each day might just help ward off Parkinsons and Alzheimers down the road.

Having said that, I would never encourage anyone to follow in my footsteps until we have a lot more proof on these issues.
 

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I'm going to play devil's advocate here, which is easy for me because I actually believe what I am about to say...

I feel that vaping is better than not vaping.
I feel that the small daily doses of PG are a big reason I haven't been sick even once since I started vaping 28 months ago.

Not only that, but I feel that for my personal situation, having a little nicotine is better for me than not having it.

I have a healthy heart and my blood pressure is excellent, so the stimulant effect of nicotine does not concern me at this time.
But I am hoping that a little nicotine each day might just help ward off Parkinsons and Alzheimers down the road.

Having said that, I would never encourage anyone to follow in my footsteps until we have a lot more proof on these issues.

I agree with you 1,000%.

But until vaping is more mainstream and we can do away with the stigmas and stop being clumped in with smokers, there are still issues for some in the workplace. I just read in the Legal News that vaping is going to be included in the North Jersey outside ban. So there's still that crap to deal with.
 

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I'm going to play devil's advocate here, which is easy for me because I actually believe what I am about to say...

I feel that vaping is better than not vaping.
I feel that the small daily doses of PG are a big reason I haven't been sick even once since I started vaping 28 months ago.

Not only that, but I feel that for my personal situation, having a little nicotine is better for me than not having it.

I have a healthy heart and my blood pressure is excellent, so the stimulant effect of nicotine does not concern me at this time.
But I am hoping that a little nicotine each day might just help ward off Parkinsons and Alzheimers down the road.

Having said that, I would never encourage anyone to follow in my footsteps until we have a lot more proof on these issues.

Alzheimers- Daily Sublingual B12 + Folic Acid + B6
 

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I feel that if you can quit the analogs (have the willpower to do this)
I'm sure doing so without vaping may be the best solution.

In my situation I smoked Marlborro's for over 30 years, and during that time tried virtually any and every method available to quit smoking, from the patch to accupuncture to hypnoses as well as Chantix.
For me nothing worked.....
I found out about the e-cig about a month ago, and I say THANK YOU to whoever invented this.

As my sig shows, I have been without a 'smoke' for almost a month now and the e-cig was able to make this happen for me.
So many times I tried only to falter after a few days of success, or certain stress factors during normal life made go back to the analogs.

Today I can say that I have NO urge whatsoever to light me up another Marlborro, knowing I have a wonderfull ego-T right beside me with a great vaping flavor.

Yes I do feel it is trading perhaps one habit for another, but if it keeps me from lighting up another bon fire in my mouth, it should be all good!!!!

Ted
 

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If I start vaping after I quit smoking outright.. is that just a failure?

You've quit smoking for 3 days. That hardly counts as "quitting outright", IMO. I tried quitting cigs numerous times. I made it for over 3 days several times. I always went back to smoking.

I never tried Chantix. I know it works for some people, but there are also some horror stories.

I always enjoyed smoking. I smoked for 30+ years, and was smoking 3 packs a day. I was pretty convinced that I would never be able to quit. I wanted to quit because of health, and the high cost, and the fact that in todays world, smokers are ostracized and expected to stand in sun or the rain or the cold. I wanted to quit because of the smell. But I still enjoyed smoking - and, of course, I was addicted.

I've been off the cigs for 3 weeks today. I don't ever expect to smoke again. Using an eGo, quitting has been easy for me. There is a learning curve, and some up front costs, but I'm already saving money, and I'll be saving a lot more in the future because I don't need to experiment as much anymore.

I believe that vaping works for 2 reasons. One, it provides the nicotine which smokers are addicted to. That's not the only physical addiction involved, but it's certainly the biggest one.

The other reason vaping works is the issue you are having. The "what do I do with my hands". The sort of psychological "where is my cigarette" thing. By vaping, we get an experience very similar to smoking. Some people actually prefer it. Myself, I'm not to that point. I would *rather* have a cigarette. But I don't *need* a cigarette any more.

I don't get jittery, I don't get grumpy. I don't have trouble concentrating, and I'm not constantly reaching for a cigarette. It never stressed me at all. When I feel any need for a cigarette, I vape. It's *not* like quitting before. Every time I tried to quit before was hell. I hated the world, and the world hated me.

Vaping has been a very easy transition.

When I first bought my eGo, I was told here on the forums not to push it, that I should let it come naturally. Some people start vaping and never want another cigarette. Others need to transition a bit slower. I think part of that is the nicotine level. If you aren't using a high enough nicotine level, then vaping won't get you off the cigarettes.

I bought my ego, and I both smoked and vaped. Overnight, without working at it, my 3 pack a day habit dropped to about 1.5 a day. Within a week, I was smoking a pack a day or less. Within several weeks, I was smoking 10 to 15 cigs a day. And at that point the progression stopped. I would be fine in the morning just vaping, up until I ate lunch. But right after lunch, I'd want a cigarette - vaping didn't do it. I'd actually need several cigs before I felt Ok. And then after dinner, the same thing.

After vaping/smoking for a couple of months, I was still smoking 10 or so a day, mostly after meals. I was using 24 mg nicotine, which is a fairly high level, but that didn't get me off the cigs. Then I ordered some juice in a 30mg level. I continued (and still continue) to use the 24 as my "all day" juice, but after meals, when I feel the need for a cig, I started using the 30mg juice, dripping it into an atomizer.

The day I started using the 30mg juice, I quit smoking. I wasn't really planning to stop that day, it just happened. I didn't *need* the cigs anymore. Vaping had already been working for me for everything except after meals, and using the 30mg juice cured my after-meal cravings. And I quit.

I had half an open pack of cigs when I quit. A week later, I gave that half-pack away. I also had 6 full packs left in the carton - and I still have those. They are right here in the room with me. But I don't need them anymore.

I am still addicted to nicotine, of course. One of my biggest worries is that my battery will die, or I'll run out of juice, or something similar. I know that if I'm unable to vape, I'll end up buying cigs as an alternative. But I can plan for that. I have extra batteries, extra cartomizers, etc. In addition to the juice I like that I use all the time, I have I have juice that I don't really like which I keep around as emergency backup. I have backups of everything at home, enough that I could go for a month without ordering anything. And if I leave the house and won't be able to come back for more than an hour, I usually carry backups with me. (A spare battery, for instance, in case the one I'm using dies unexpectedly. An extra cartomizer and a bottle of juice.)

So I'm still addicted to nicotine, and I know it. But nicotine isn't a carcinogen, and I've taken all of the known carcinogens out of the picture. I've taken the tar and ash out of the picture. I'm on a far healthier path than before.

Over time, I hope to lower my nicotine level, and in the long run, I hope I can stop vaping.

But if I vape the rest of my life, that's still a big win compared to cigarettes.

Should you vape? I think you have to decide that. I think that not vaping and not smoking, don't do either one, is ideal. But "just quit smoking" fails for most people, even when they use chantix, or patches, or nicotine gum or whatever. Vaping works for a lot of people, and it's worked for me, so I'm going to stick with it. Once I've been cig-free for 2 or 3 months, I'll start working at cutting down the nicotine level.

Vaping probably isn't as healthy as just "don't vape and don't smoke". Clean air is bound to be better for us than vaping. But unless you live way out in the country, you probably don't get clean air anyway. :) For most people, the only side effects of vaping seem to be things that can be taken care of by drinking plenty of water. A few seem to have issues with PG, or with VG, or with flavoring, but as best I can tell, those are fairly rare cases.

A number of people have posted that they started vaping after years of smoking, and they are now back to doing things they had stopped for years. One guy was training to box. Several have posted about taking up running or bicycling because they now have the lung power to do it again. A number have posted how surprised how happy their doctor was with their results after they switched.

For me, the choice is essentially "vape" or "smoke", and it's an easy choice to make.

If you decide you want to vape, you'll find there is a learning curve. You learn about equipment, and you have to find flavors you like, and the way you inhale to vape is a little different from smoking. (More like smoking a cigar than a cigarette.) But that learning curve gets easier since you know about ECF. The people here are very helpful, and it's like an online "stop smoking" support group.

Good luck with whatever you choose.
 
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