Overfilling .vs. Dripping: What's the Difference?

[DaveDzRochNY]

I have read many posts here blaming overfilling carts for the problems of
the world: leaking, flooding, poor vape, killing attys.

But, there are a lot of people here that drip and it seems to be some
sign of knowledge, experience, sageness and the Holy Grail of PV usage.

So... I fill a cart just until the top of the filler is moist and glistening. Then,
I add ONE more drop and the liquid goes convex. That's overfilling and
bad bad bad and I'm a stupid newb.

OR...

I remove the cart, pour 2, 3, sometimes 4 drops directly on the atty and
I am "da ....".


What gives?

Thanks for reading!
Dave

 

[Bruce H]

I don't think there's much difference in overfilling or dripping. Either results in the same thing, flooding the atty with juice.

I still use empty carts just I don't drip directly on them, instead I drip directly on the atty (one or two drops). The fibers in the atty helps keep the juice from coming out of the mouthpiece which is good because I hold and store my e-cig mouthpiece down. I do this to keep unvaped juice from running down into the battery.

I just wonder if dripping kills the atty before it's time?

 

[DC2]

Flooding an atomizer is caused by getting too much juice down into the atomizer.
And yes, that can happen quite easily by dripping, if you use too many drops.

The only way I can see overfilling a cartridge leading to a flooded atomizer is if you have one of those recessed cartridges. Then you can easily put way too much liquid in if you aren't careful.

But I don't see how you can overfill a 510 cartridge, for example, enough to cause any flooding issues.

 

[STILLSMOK9]

I agree with DC2..

 

[gatsby]

I think the confusion here is that we call the entire unit the atomizer, but really the atomizer is a small hating unit in a ceramic bowl that atomizes the liquid. When you drip (or with a cart for that matter) the goal is to soak the wire wick (visible part) so that the liquid wicks slowly to the atomizer. The atomizer floods if you over drip and fill the ceramic bowl and flood the heating element. Take look at the modding section for lots of good information. It is easier to flood wih dripping because you can put a drop right into the bowl and flood it with one drop if you aren't careful.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/atomizer-mods/13074-atomizer-disection-re-assembly.html

 

[bearscreek]

Dave, I totally understand what you're saying, and I really don't see much difference. I'm almost always 1 drop over on filling, but I look at it like dripping and wonder about it just like you do.

 

[gatsby]

Its just terminology guys. Dripping is just the term used for dripping on the wick with no cart while adding to the cart is topping off. As far as one being 'advanced vaping' thats just BS. Some people might act like one is better, but like most of this stuff its all pretty much just personal preference.

 

[trog100]

wet topping up is just like dripping just less error prone.. dripping isnt about flooding atomizers.. a flooded atomizer is a waste of space..

a wet top up works just as well and is easier to do.. dont try and empty the cart too much and do it fairly often..

miss out the extra drop in the atomizer.. just slightly puddle the top of the wool.. it all goes straight into the atomizer as soon as you put the cart in anyways.. but a flooded atomizer wont work.. the idea is to get it just right.. and do it often to keep it just right..

trog

 

[kalojado]

Its just terminology guys. Dripping is just the term used for dripping on the wick with no cart while adding to the cart is topping off. As far as one being 'advanced vaping' thats just BS. Some people might act like one is better, but like most of this stuff its all pretty much just personal preference.

Well, I would have to say that I actually think "dipping" (not "dripping") is the best way. I use an empty mouthpiece, and dip into my little contact lens case filled with juice. When I try to fill a cart, even when I do not put much juice, it always seems like it gets in my mouth. Been "dipping" for a few weeks now, with an empty cart mind you, and as strange as it sounds I NEVER get any in my mouth. When I first heard of doing this, I thought that having no filler inside would make more juice get my mouth, but it has been the total opposite. Also with dipping, I emerge the little wick in juice for like 10 seconds and I have not had any issues. Still using the same attys for like 40 days or whenever I quit smoking. Have even cleaned a few times with warm water (both ends of the atty) and after blowing out each end and letting dry, have not had any issues...

 

[gatsby]

Well, I would have to say that I actually think "dipping" (not "dripping") is the best way. I use an empty mouthpiece, and dip into my little contact lens case filled with juice. When I try to fill a cart, even when I do not put much juice, it always seems like it gets in my mouth. Been "dipping" for a few weeks now, with an empty cart mind you, and as strange as it sounds I NEVER get any in my mouth. When I first heard of doing this, I thought that having no filler inside would make more juice get my mouth, but it has been the total opposite. Also with dipping, I emerge the little wick in juice for like 10 seconds and I have not had any issues. Still using the same attys for like 40 days or whenever I quit smoking. Have even cleaned a few times with warm water (both ends of the atty) and after blowing out each end and letting dry, have not had any issues...

Kal, if you look at my post history you will see I agree 100%. I hate hate hate carts and I am convinced that dipping has saved my gear over dripping and it really is a lot less messy in general. I was just pointing out that it is a terminology and personal preference issue. Thee are some folks who have turned packing carts into an art form and really prefer that too. I think its good to try everything a little bit but in the end there isn't a right answer for everyone. That said, Dipping rulezzz, baby!

 

[bearscreek]

I obviously can't dip with a 510 or 4081, but how long do you have between dips, anyway? I'm kinda stuck on the pyramid tea bag and can go for a long time between fills/top offs, and then that extra drop on the top soaks the mesh and makes it even better.

 

[kalojado]

Kal, if you look at my post history you will see I agree 100%. I hate hate hate carts and I am convinced that dipping has saved my gear over dripping and it really is a lot less messy in general. I was just pointing out that it is a terminology and personal preference issue. Thee are some folks who have turned packing carts into an art form and really prefer that too. I think its good to try everything a little bit but in the end there isn't a right answer for everyone. That said, Dipping rulezzz, baby!

Haha, yeah, I did forget to mention that too... Dripping is pretty messy and starts running down my battery when I try it. But I agree, try everything because I am sure different models produce different results, but with the 401, dipping is the way to go!

 

[gatsby]

I obviously can't dip with a 510 or 4081, but how long do you have between dips, anyway? I'm kinda stuck on the pyramid tea bag and can go for a long time between fills/top offs, and then that extra drop on the top soaks the mesh and makes it even better.

For me a good dip is about equal to what I used to get out of a cigarette so sometimes I dip and take a 'smoke break' or if I am chaining smoking I will dip a second (third fourth...) time when the flavor starts to fade. I would guess about 15 good pulls maybe more with a fresh atty. If you have something working for you there isn't a need to mess with it IMO, but if you want to try 306 atomizers are exposed and work great on 510 batteries. I am thinking about giving the pyramid bags a try. I messed around with the paper tea bag filler (and coffee filters, and fluval, and ...), but never liked it much, but mostly that was because it got kind of mushy and nasty tasting quick IMO. It sounds like the plastic tea bags are a different experience though.

 

[Ak8s]

Can you explain this "dipping" to a newb please? I don't think I understand what you are talking about. Thanks! PS....I have a Riva 510. If it doesn't work with my particular model, then nevermind.