Oye, Bone to pick with it all

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BlkWolfMidnight

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Howdy folks,
Its the new year, yup 2015 and looking back I've seen how far vaping has come. As a community and devices things have progressed on the fast track, the FDA has seemingly let up slightly (or trying other tactics) and tobacco companies are now looking backwards maybe wondering if they took the wrong step in siding with the FDA.

Ok, so here is my bone to pick, it may even get me banned I don't know.
When did vaping become a contest in popularity, how in the holy catfish did celebrities get born by just providing advice. If this is the case I should be a rock-star rebuilding shy near every device on the market and thus far I think I'm well past 400+ setup builds/devices/mods...ect (Little known fact, I taught Nitro how to build his first coil).

I don't know the drama behind the forum wars, nor do I really care, I do understand the policy and limitations behind ECF and rules abound (Trolls you see, they are everywhere) and yes, ECF does a good job of keeping the streets clean per say. But really, petty little elitist run around toting their metaphorical titles of wonderment or fame in a world that needs not have it. Wielding power above others like that will dive the community and this is one thing that can not happen at all, already vaping is a huge target of interest for the FDA and Government at the moment and entrust when I say they are looking for those fracture points. In my book running a blog posting this and that is not assisting the community unless it has a division and clear purpose in mind (not to collect kick backs and claim its for covering costs).

Granted I understand the need to save money, personally I'm broke enough that I'm pinching pennies to make change these days myself (even then I fall short way too much) however in that concept excess could be redirected to assist with costs fighting for our right to vape (Lobbyists aren't free if anyone didn't know, neither are lawyers). Were all in it together and I must say this isn't a beauty pageant though it seems this is what its turning in to as of lately, I'm rather kind of disheartened seeing what is going on.

I've set up vape meets out of pocket to raise awareness for local vapers to stop by and find community, I've attempted to more then once teach others how to progress to the "Next Level" if they so choose or fix what they've got if it saves a few cents. All materials come out of my wallet funds even though I don't have it, but recent events are seriously making me reconsider my stand on how to progress in the future. Maybe I should pick a corner and sit in it for a while, I'm not fully sure yet however recent reading of material that I pulled up on other sourced locations kind of makes me wonder. Those that have had the pleasure to know me either at a convention or in real life my stance on things changes nothing on a friendship well made, those that I haven't meet yet, well kindly met and it is my pleasure to hopefully see you at a convention.

I recently spoke with someone who had not visited ECF for a while, the reason for staying out of "All forums" as was put was drama. I didn't fully grasp that statement until tonight and I must agree that I see where he is coming from. If things are not fixed then I fear it will no longer be a community but rather a collection of groups all butting heads over a title that in the world outside of vaping means nothing more then words on paper. Community is our strength, lets hope that for the future of vaping we can all see that clearly and band together as a unified group for a purpose and not niche groups under a name.

Just my thoughts, feel free to pull it apart if you like
 
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K_Tech

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I'm almost positive I'd agree with almost everything you've said if:

1. I knew what incident you were talking about that set it off as you didn't specify

2. You used bullet points

Either way, thanks for the effort you've put into the community.

I'm with DB - maybe I'm not paying enough attention, but, then again, I'm only on the forums a few hours a week, so I might have missed something.

And as to Internet celebrities, will someone PLEASE explain Pewdiepie to me?
 

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I dunno, Blk........you seem to be *creating* drama by posting this topic.

This community is like any other.....lots of different kinds of people, who may or may not have anything in common EXCEPT vaping. Some are nice, some are smug, some don't share the same politics, some need more strokes, some just need some well-placed noogies......whatever.

You're in a room, you get pushed, you can push back (politely). (or not....but then accept the consequences.) I guess most of us are used to living in a world of "other people". They are going to do and say whatever they are going to do or say.

How much *harmony* does your expectation level require? ;)

As for the celebrities, we used to call them the *Vape Famous* back in 2012. :lol: (sarcastically).

You asked: "how in the holy catfish did celebrities get born by just providing advice." Well there is a humorous side to that. My asst. fire chief goes around showing people how to operate their fire extinguishers. He showed me how to build a fire in my woodstove a while back when I first got it. Is he a celebrity? Only to a few of us :lol: I taught for Volunteers for Literacy. Am I a celebrity? Only to those people who are now able to read, and to their families who thanked me heartily.

Really, most people would find the idea of vaper celebrity to be rather..............humorous. The guys who fly RC planes out at the local airstrip don't consider themselves celebrities, but they sure do know a lot about electronics.

You seem against this, yet you name-drop that you taught Nitro how to build a coil. You do realize that 50% of the people here probably don't even know who that is? Or even care.

I read your post 3 times and can't figure out what it is that you *need* .... that you want, what you're not getting, etc. A big thank you goes out to you for teaching others. Communities are supposed to be like that by default.

It's a big community, you can certainly avoid any and all drama pretty easily.......just click off the topic and open a new browser tab.

Some days are better here than others, depending on who shows up. That's true with life in general though. There are days when we all just stay home in our jammies and turn off the phone and computer.

Cheer up.
 

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doesn't a thread like this just call attention to said drama?

I'm here to quit smoking, learn about vaping and seek knowledge and if there's some nice socializing in the meantime that's great.

I've sent a lot of our new "ex smokers" new vapers here and some from another forum I cater where trolls and drama runs amuck. They agree with me this is a nice place and the moderators and fellow posters make an effort to keep it that way (the majority).

There's always that drama causing minority and I just choose not to give them the attention they so desperately seek. That's how you smother that drama and troll stuff out..it's just childish attention seeking.
 

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I must be blind or dead stupid. I dont see any drama here. I love the aspire Atlantis and am glad I dont have to build coils anymore for a decent vape. There are some builders who think the Atlantis is a stupid waste of money, they can have a better vape in 5 minutes for a cost of about a penny.

Sometimes we dont agree... thats what we do here... poke fun at each others and state our opinions... no forum wars that I am aware of...
 

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Howdy,
My intention was not to create drama but rather put it out front, I guess so many just brush it under the rug anymore and decide that "It didn't happen" policy is better then not.
I can't name drop because of policies of ECF, but I can say it deals largely with the 2014 vape awards and some mud slinging already abound.

RaceHorse,
I do appreciate what you've done as giving back to the community is a gift that will last lifetimes to come. I try to uphold a policy of helping those that I can without reservation as a general rule. I realize that few will know who I referenced in this article, I'd prefer that I not paint a picture as that is bad taste. Those curious can follow the bread crumbs and figure it out if they so choose. I am actually happy just needed to get a brain dump off my chest.

Drunkenbatman and K_Tech,
I don't do bullet points, the idea of a scattered post is just that due to two factors really. It was late and I was tired at the time of posting this. It made sense to me at the time but as usual careful not to use a giant foam finger to point at anyone, if you read between the lines and follow a few bread crumbs left its pretty easy to put the puzzle pieces together.

GinnyTx,
Welcome to the forum, ECF is a place where some of the most amazing folks I've meet thus far have been. They have helped me through so many issues and in turn as I learned the cycle progressed as I help those who need it. I've learned that the curious here have the most fun and often times get the answers to the questions asked. Feel free to ask anything pretty much and likely someone somewhere has had an experience with it and can answer it.

Deeo,
You I think know a bit more then your posting (or have been in the vaping community a while). My father once said "Speak less, learn more" and at times I can agree with that.

Danbrooks2k,
Your neither, I agree that the Aspire is a great system and don't get me wrong for a quick go to vape is an awesome device. I can though remember when Blu e-cigs were the thing and RDA's and RTA's were only a dream. The only true "Replaceable Head Atomizers" were the 306 attys and the eGo which was new to the market not but 5 months later. Times change, hardware gets better and so on and so forth. Building my attys saves money and in truth allows me to customize my own vape experience is the sole reason I do it that way.
 

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I'm with DB - maybe I'm not paying enough attention, but, then again, I'm only on the forums a few hours a week, so I might have missed something.

And as to Internet celebrities, will someone PLEASE explain Pewdiepie to me?

Pewdiepie gained his fame in the early times as a gamer who overacted every reaction. He was able to get so much fame so fast based on the flawed way youtube handles advertising a channel. Since he has lived in 3 different countries and visited even more he has uploaded in each country which has helped. Youtube runs off the concept of locational advertising + people who have subscribed from different countries. Since he visited the US semi early it popped up on the us channels and shortly after he hit the UK and Germany uploading which again, put his video's on the front page. (Hint: you can pay youtube to put your video's on the front page) Because of all of this word spread about the goofy guy who plays various games, starting with horror, and more people joined worldwide giving him even more subscribers.

Idiotic as he is, and the concept of playing games for profit, he accidentally found a way to make millions a year just to release two gaming video's a day. Personally, if you go with gaming channels, I prefer Markiplier since he does send a ton of money to charities, helps out new youtubers, goes out to cons to meet people and is a really down to earth guy. But I am on an ecig forum so enough gaming channels. Blkwolf raises a number of good points and I am seeing the snobbish attitude of several false celebrities who think they are hot .... because they have people who watch their show but really people are there to get the free ..... If they didn't give out free ...., they would only find 50 to MAYBE 200 people watching and even then they would be bored to death. People seem to idolize these people and have even followed the way of the idiot running .0x ohm coils which are hot enough to change the chemical properties of what they vape. I know I will get flamed for it but these people know very little about biology, chemistry, and claim to know ohm's law but only end up butchering it so badly it has gone past what it actually means which is a lot deeper than just a stupid equation. I have seen someone who has a firm grasp of the principles prodice a .9 and 1.0 that has outdone these .0X coils because of the understanding of how electricity works and how to properly use the amperage instead of just doing a mass burst which, as several posts have shown, is quite dangerous. Incase you do wonder the person I talk about is BlkWolfMidnight. He is running a .4 right now as an experiment with a coil design and has even had great success with long lasting batteries and a constant drain as opposed to massive bursts which can be quite dangerous.

Flame away, have fun with it as nothing you say or do will affect me because it's just words.
 

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Its not about popularity that I care about, if you connect with someone that's fine by me however so many don't go to measures to capitalize on that and then there are those that do.

I personally don't travel with blinders on in truth, I know the game is "Gain fame, get free stuff" and why not try to aspire to that but...here is where the dividing line comes. If its free, then why not pay it forward as it doesn't cost a cent to do so, I know some do and for that I thank them personally. Those few that don't need to understand that those of us that help out and do pull funds out of our own pockets normally do not receive any type of recognition in return.

The spin on the whole thing is based on attitude, I've meet many of these "Vape Famous" in person, some are pretty good folks and others look down upon those in the community with a whole hearted "God Attitude" and thusly treat them like such.

Personally I don't care who is who, to me community members are just that, we all sit around a round table and no singular person is more important then another. Contributions have been made from everyone to make it what it is and some folks have lost touch with that and rebranded it as an "Original Idea" which is not correct. Some use their fame to pull opinion or favor with a lot in the community which again is not proper. They would be better off binding together as a whole and bringing this community together rather then splitting it apart.

I can recall a time when my avatar was accidently a logo of Phil Busardo, though it didn't mean a thing to me so many decided to get on me about it to the point of complaints sent to me via PM. Again where in a logical sense does this make any difference in truth, a true idealism was born and those "Followers" were upset for a reason that really needed not be (I've since changed the logo).

All the awards and Special mentions do is separate a community in to a cast system, who is higher on the rung and who is lower. Why does it even matter in truth if we are all in this for the same reason. I'm not saying strip your ideals and run with none, if you clique with someone then fine by me but lets not make it this vs that.
 
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It's is like a smorgasbord, take what is good and leave the rest.

As was said several times, is this a troll? Is it drama, is it even important to me?

I have met a lot of nice people and I hope I am also, but the smorgasbord always has something good...somewhere on it.

I don't know, it is too deep, tooo early.
 

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On every forum, from video games, cars, motorcycles, guitars...the list goes on. There are always that little clique that rather than offer useful content, spend most of their posts to belittle, spell check, grammar check, dismiss and generally adhere to a need to prove they are somehow more knowledgeable, older school, basically more elite than others.

I haven't a clue what in particular set you off but I see the posts and replies and generally, they make up a pretty small group on this forum. Want to get really annoyed, check fire arm forums, they are the worse! But I think I get what you're saying. I keep a mental list of posters who I disregard or avoid replying to their posts.
 

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I really don't see where this posting will do more than invoke a few(a plus) to think before typing.

Unfortunately I am rarely one of those.:facepalm:

Any board has their Elite that feel or act as if they have Ownership and Entitlement. They assume their Standards are justified and expect all to follow.
Others are just looking for help and guidance. To often I see those as the ones that get backhanded for their non-conformist choices. You know, the choices they made with no help or guidance from(Elitist)
Those that choose to have rather than to live under foot of the Haves as a Have Nots and do so through affordability.

Think I'll shut up now and see if I can help someone instead of wasting time on this.:)
 

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These threads come around every once in a while and while I do not know of any recent flare ups contention is bound to raise its ugly head with a group this large.

It has been an amazing year for the vape community, tons of great gear has come on the market at all price points and the juice selection seems to be moving in the right direction. I know that many are proud of their gear, as they should be, and some may at times be over-vocal with their points of view but that is what an open forum is about. I agree that there is no place here for statements such as "if you aren't using ______ , then you don't know anything about vaping" or "if you don't vape .001 builds then you're not a vaper" but these types of jabs get thrown around. I ignore them as I know the person posting, more often than not, is the one who knows little about vaping in general.

From my own experience this group amazes me with their willingness to go the extra mile to help all vapers, new and experienced, in any way they can. Keep in mind that even the groups that may appear elitist are in no way trying to be so, they simply often speak a different lingo that pertains to their gear and you need to learn their language before you will feel like you fit in. I have yet to come across a group that doesn't welcome all with open arms enthusiastically.

Hang in there and see the good in the board while and let the comments that annoy you slip to the side.

These are just my thoughts and opinions so take them for what they are worth...lol.
 
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