It sure does. We're at the mercy of greedy tyrants. And all this stuff about the FDA....when Sweden obviously has stricter laws. Stupid
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It sure does. We're at the mercy of greedy tyrants. And all this stuff about the FDA....when Sweden obviously has stricter laws. Stupid
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It is a bend of spread em and cough type of thing for the actual users.
All I see left of this free country is everything is taxed, and the hidden taxes on supplies is almost as bad.
All I see left of this free country is everything is taxed, and the hidden taxes on supplies is almost as bad.
One more from Frank at Northerner posted at snuson
Once again I'll post the thread this is on
SnusOn.com - Snus Forum :: View topic - Northerner.com will sell in USA but will follow the Pact Act
I'm starting to wonder if any of the nasal snuff manufactures have complied with the law. Have not heard anything from them about it.
Once again I'll post the thread this is on
SnusOn.com - Snus Forum :: View topic - Northerner.com will sell in USA but will follow the Pact Act
I'm starting to wonder if any of the nasal snuff manufactures have complied with the law. Have not heard anything from them about it.
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Nope....It sure has been quiet on the Snuff Front.....Hope we hear something soon!
Thanks Stubby!
The Wiz!
Nope....It sure has been quiet on the Snuff Front.....Hope we hear something soon!
Thanks Stubby!
Complying with this is part of the Family Protection act that gave regulation of tobacco products to the FDA. Part of it is that all tobacco products have to be registered with the FDA along with all the ingredients. This is what northerner is dealing with plus the PACT act. If a manufacturer doesn't have their product registered by June 22 it can't be sold by a US vender.
Okay.... I may have already overstepped my legal expertise, which is close to zero, but that's my understanding of what's going on.
I have doubts as to if any nasal snuff makers and venders are even trying to comply with this one. They seem to want to try and get around the law by selling from across the pond. Time will tell how that works out.
Stubby....I wasn't aware of that fact! So proof of ingredients is in the hands of the manufacturers themselves(Poschl,Wilsons ect.)or they cannot be sold buy vendors here in the US? How would that impact Toque for instance who ships directly to the US consumer from the UK?...They don't seem to worried about PACT at this point in time!
Nicotinerush is the only snuff supplier who has shown any concern over Pact....No word from MrSnuff yet...other than a some Pre-Pact discounts!
The Wiz!
Stubby....I wasn't aware of that fact! So proof of ingredients is in the hands of the manufacturers themselves(Poschl,Wilsons ect.)or they cannot be sold buy vendors here in the US? How would that impact Toque for instance who ships directly to the US consumer from the UK?...They don't seem to worried about PACT at this point in time!
Nicotinerush is the only snuff supplier who has shown any concern over Pact....No word from MrSnuff yet...other than a some Pre-Pact discounts!
Good questions and I don't have any sure answers. The thread by Frank has been enlightening as it brings up other issues beside the PACT act. From what I've been reading at snuffhouse Toque is saying that international treaties protect there right to sell products directly to US customers. The major nasal snuff venders have also stated they plan on moving their base of operation to the UK and shipping from there to try and get around the legal issues. It remains to be seen how that works out.
OOoops, my mistake Wiz!Unless your a Republican....Then it's Spend and Spend!
There ya go.
Stubby....I wasn't aware of that fact! So proof of ingredients is in the hands of the manufacturers themselves(Poschl,Wilsons ect.)or they cannot be sold buy vendors here in the US? How would that impact Toque for instance who ships directly to the US consumer from the UK?...They don't seem to worried about PACT at this point in time!
Nicotinerush is the only snuff supplier who has shown any concern over Pact....No word from MrSnuff yet...other than a some Pre-Pact discounts!
Did you miss this one Wiz?
Daves response to the signing
Wow... A few days away and it looks like the whole playing field has shifted on us... Looks like I'm in for a busy weekend just trying to catch up on all the threads. At this point, I'm just glad there's a 90-day window before they lock things down.
Thanks OTD....I did miss that(need to pop in over at Snuffhouse more often I guess). This is one time I Won't be saddened to see a US based buisness take their operation overseas.
Dave seemed pretty certain that Pact will be overturned(If I read that correctly?)
Hey at least we know we can get our goodies when we need them...I think it's a good move on both Nicotinerush and MrSnuffs behalf(Plus I dig the unity between them!!)
Thanks for the link my friend!!
The Wiz!
Thanks OTD....I did miss that(need to pop in over at Snuffhouse more often I guess). This is one time I Won't be saddened to see a US based buisness take their operation overseas.
Dave seemed pretty certain that Pact will be overturned(If I read that correctly?)
Hey at least we know we can get our goodies when we need them...I think it's a good move on both Nicotinerush and MrSnuffs behalf(Plus I dig the unity between them!!)
Thanks for the link my friend!!
They're certainly taking a chance by not playing both sides of the fence. With snus, most of the manufactures are playing be US rules and dotting the i's and crossing the t's, including registering there snus with the FDA. If the end result is that we can import from the UK or Sweden with no problems, it's all good. We can all get a full selection of snuff and snus.
If problems arise, which could very well happen, the overseas nasal snuff manufactures are screwed as far as the US market goes. I don't see why Toque and other manufactures don't register their snuff will the FDA and cover there bases. If it goes bad with importing snuff from the UK they would still have the option of playing along the FDA and the PACT act.
Perhaps they're just to small of an operation to deal with it.
No stubs northerner aka. frank the ..... has stated he will totally cave and restrict what they import in to the USA and fully cave further by complying to the PACT act.
Northerners rollover/response really go to ya didn't it dred 
Me too.
Stubby, your points are completely valid and plausible. That is why I've enough GOOD snuff to last me a ridiculously long time. My snus stash is fast getting to that point as well.
Bahstuds....
Me too.
Stubby, your points are completely valid and plausible. That is why I've enough GOOD snuff to last me a ridiculously long time. My snus stash is fast getting to that point as well.
Bahstuds....
Your mistaken on restricting what they import. This is Franks response to that
My next order, which will be a large one, will be from Northerner just because they are playing by the rules and have gone out of there way to explain what and why they are doing what they are doing. The availability of snus in the future is far more important to me then playing a losing game of moral indignation.
No what gets me is the roll over and pass it to everyone else right in the shorts. EFF northerner eff frank eff the swedes ill get it somewhere else prior to june and then they can all leach money else where.
IT is not in effect yet nor will have any teeth outside of the USA that is what pisses me off about it. The FDA and USDA is falling down on their collective backsides about food and allowed more horrible crap to be added to cigs.
IT is not in effect yet nor will have any teeth outside of the USA that is what pisses me off about it. The FDA and USDA is falling down on their collective backsides about food and allowed more horrible crap to be added to cigs.
Looks like alot of folks are getting in on the pre-PACT ordering. Almost all the White Portions are out of stock on GetSnus.
Back order it... 5 almost 6 business days since order no response from northerner and half my order is stuck in pending.
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