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Of course, chemical vapors from chlorine and such is breathing vapor but it is breathing harmful chemicals in the vapor. Just because it is called vaping doesn't mean it is harmful.
So, just because people call it steam when they vape doesn't make it harmful.
Just because smokeless tobacco is called chew and you can get chewed up in machinery doesn't mean that snus are bad for you either.
He's just looking for excuses not to quit a known hazard for a new unknown but shown to be less hazardous nicotine fix.
I take a long time to type stuff, so my definitive "there IS steam in vapor" was typed as other people were saying that there is not steam in vape. My statement was not aimed at those people, I was just trying to say I think there might be some steam in vapor only because of the small amount of water content in the juices, but it is not what we are actually vaping.
I don't blame you. But I'd still say it's on him to prove it's unsafe. If he's just afraid of it, that's pretty much his problem. Too many people live in fear of all kinds of things.
Don't waste your money. He is making excuses and nothing you can tell him is going to make him give up his cigs. When he is ready he has to do it on his own.
I doubt there is any study on what he wants, as we have cleared up that it is not steam. Maybe if you find a study on what the vapor actually is, he can see that he doesn't have to worry about the steam. Just a thought.
Yall seem like yall are getting kinda harsh on her nephew.. He knows ecigs 2nd hand smoke is safe, but i think he is just adding up in his head that vape is steam, and he has had to rescue people with emphysema from steam inhalation, that he is nervous to try it.
He has had real life experiences that have made him think twice about it. Nothing to get all aggressive about, lol
Yall seem like yall are getting kinda harsh on her nephew.. He knows ecigs 2nd hand smoke is safe, but i think he is just adding up in his head that vape is steam, and he has had to rescue people with emphysema from steam inhalation, that he is nervous to try it.
He has had real life experiences that have made him think twice about it. Nothing to get all aggressive about, lol
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Steam is a type of water vapor. I realize we aren't inhaling direct shots of steam, but the difference between the two is about the same as the difference between squares and rectangles. Obviously the main differences are we aren't scalding our lungs, and our liquids aren't pure water.
Steam and fog look the same, one can cause injuries, the other .... only if you're driving in it.
While steam and vapor from an e-cig may look the same, they're two very different things.
Is that rebuttal enough?
That does not mean that vaping has no risk. We don't know the full extent of risk yet, long term studies take ... well ... long term. We assume that vaping has less risk than smoking.
Sounds like your nephew isn't open to change, I myself have had the skin falling off my palate from eating pizza, on many occasions, done it over and over again, in various scenarios for many decades...each and everyone of them steaming. Please point him to the
forum for research...then help if he wants to drink
Well steam is not always 220 degrees, it cools as it goes through its "lifespan" and turns into invisible water vapor, i guess at that point it either condensates onto something or enters (evaporates into?) the air as humidity. Our devices do the exact thing as boiling a pot of water, except the vapor acts differently because its PG/VG and stays visible longer in air, i guess because it does not evaporate/disperse as water would?
I should stop trying, cuz i know what I'm trying to say, but I dont know all the correct words i need to use to express it
1) There is also glycerin in tobacco (added to keep it moist), so he is already inhaling it all day, every day if he smokes. It is not one of the tobacco ingredients ANTZ point to as causing smoking-related disease and death.
2) E-cigarette vapor is not steam. It is actually a mist created by warming the liquid enough to turn it into a vapor, which cools quickly as it leaves the device into a visible mist. The vapor itself is cool to slightly warm, but never hot enough to burn. The whole reason the mist is visible is because it has cooled from vapor form. It would be ridiculous to even do "peer-reviewed studies showing that ecigs are significantly safer than whatever causes emphysema from steam inhalation" because it's not steam that is created by e-cigarettes. That would be like doing a study to see if spilling iced coffee on your lap burns less than spilling hot coffee on your lap.
2) E-cigarette vapor is not steam. It is actually a mist created by warming the liquid enough to turn it into a vapor, which cools quickly as it leaves the device into a visible mist. The vapor itself is cool to slightly warm, but never hot enough to burn. The whole reason the mist is visible is because it has cooled from vapor form. It would be ridiculous to even do "peer-reviewed studies showing that ecigs are significantly safer than whatever causes emphysema from steam inhalation" because it's not steam that is created by e-cigarettes. That would be like doing a study to see if spilling iced coffee on your lap burns less than spilling hot coffee on your lap.
I think you'll have a hard time finding a study that says exactly what you're looking for since, as has been pointed out, the vapor that comes out of a PV is wholly different from the kind of harmful steam your nephew is worried about. I'm no expert but I think the difference between harmful steam and all of the other steam would be the temperature. Perhaps there's a study on the casaa site that shows the average temperature of vapor from a PV? Those this would vary quite a bit based on pg/vg ratios, coil resistance, delivery device(distance from coil to drip tip opening), airflow, etc.
Try these:
Levels of selected carcinogens and toxicants in vapour from electronic cigarettes -- Goniewicz et al. -- Tobacco Control
http://clearstream.flavourart.it/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/CSA_ItaEng.pdf
http://www.electroniccigaretteban.org/PDF/Dublin-Benchtop-E-cigarette-report.pdf
And here is the wiki on pg Propylene glycol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
My most favorite quote from the wiki: "Inhalation of the propylene glycol vapors appears to present no significant hazard in ordinary applications."
What you are asking for doesn't exist. But the material I listed should be ample. Remember if he is still smoking, all the mental gymnastics in the world don't change the basic chemistry at play here. Smoke of any kind is more toxic then glycol vapor and by a pretty wide margin.
Levels of selected carcinogens and toxicants in vapour from electronic cigarettes -- Goniewicz et al. -- Tobacco Control
http://clearstream.flavourart.it/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/CSA_ItaEng.pdf
http://www.electroniccigaretteban.org/PDF/Dublin-Benchtop-E-cigarette-report.pdf
And here is the wiki on pg Propylene glycol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
My most favorite quote from the wiki: "Inhalation of the propylene glycol vapors appears to present no significant hazard in ordinary applications."
What you are asking for doesn't exist. But the material I listed should be ample. Remember if he is still smoking, all the mental gymnastics in the world don't change the basic chemistry at play here. Smoke of any kind is more toxic then glycol vapor and by a pretty wide margin.
I'm afraid you aren't going to find any peer-reviewed studies showing that ecigs are significantly safer than whatever causes emphysema from steam inhalation because anyone with a modicum of scientific knowledge would know there is absolutely no comparison between the two and therefore no reason to attempt a study (I blame the educational system).
Your nephew is assuming the vapor generated by an e-cig is the same as that generated by water heated to boiling and that is simply not the case. Anecdotal thinking at its worst (it looks like steam so it must be hot and dangerous).
Good luck.
Your nephew is assuming the vapor generated by an e-cig is the same as that generated by water heated to boiling and that is simply not the case. Anecdotal thinking at its worst (it looks like steam so it must be hot and dangerous).
Good luck.
I was confused as well, I was close but no cigar, but here clears up the differences between steam and vapor.. I'm probably the only one that really needed this =P well maybe your nephew too heh
Steam is actually invisible, dangerous, and can kill you. What you can see if you boil water in a tea kettle, as the pressure builds and blows the water vapor out of the whistle port, the invisible area immediately exiting the whistle port is steam, as soon as the steam hits the atmosphere and begins to cool it becomes visible water vapor.
So what i thought was steam, is in fact just hot water vapor cooling to ambient temperature.
I don't believe its actually the education system to blame for misunderstandings like this. You go through your life calling water vapor steam in passing, its going to eventually just kinda stick if you don't have any real encounters or need to reference an actual steam vent.
Steam is actually invisible, dangerous, and can kill you. What you can see if you boil water in a tea kettle, as the pressure builds and blows the water vapor out of the whistle port, the invisible area immediately exiting the whistle port is steam, as soon as the steam hits the atmosphere and begins to cool it becomes visible water vapor.
So what i thought was steam, is in fact just hot water vapor cooling to ambient temperature.
I don't believe its actually the education system to blame for misunderstandings like this. You go through your life calling water vapor steam in passing, its going to eventually just kinda stick if you don't have any real encounters or need to reference an actual steam vent.
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