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Well there's the fact people think we are smoking when we are not...

There's also a part of the population that loves to feel superior by trying to enforce rules...

Then there are people who are smokers or ex-smokers and they get jealous because you
can "smoke" inside places/events where smoking is prohibited, the simple "I can't/Couldn't have it, so I'm going to make sure you can't either".

Yes, people are pathetic, sigh...
 

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But, in the '50s and '60s we still had a constitution instead of a president who thinks the constitution is out-dated!

:rolls eyes:

You must have missed Nixon etc.

Please, no partisan politics here, it isn't about that.

Oshkosh is an aviation enthusiasts event.

It is not a vaping event.

I was in several places today that do not allow food or drink, and it's been hot.....I was thirsty. But I practiced self-control while I was there. I do likewise with vaping........if I am at Oshkosh, where most of the people do not smoke or vape, I just try to make as little a footprint as necssary.

BEEN to Oshkosh air show when I was a smoker.....didn't smoke while there. Too busy watching the shows, going to the museum, etc. I packed some nic gum or snus. No biggie, didn't ask anyone to recognize me as a special class or anything....took care of my own special needs. :)
 
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recently i went to EAA air adventure, that's right oshkosh the biggest avaition event in the country (i am and always be an airplane junky). anyways i was enjoying the night airshow, vaping away. someone from the crowd approached me (he was not an EAA official) and told me i cannot "smoke" here. i told him i am not smoking and to beat it... ie get lost. when he left and turned his back i continued right on vaping. there were people ahead of me vaping and someone was smoking a cigarette. he went and bothered all of them. it did not appear that anyone official cared about the vaping although i know smoking wasnt officially allowed. as far as the vapers go, what harm were they doing to this guy why did he feel it was his mission to get them to stop. it does zero bodily harm to him and produces almost no oder... does not stink like cigarettes. when he told me that i wasnt allowed to smoke and i told him that i was not smoking he shook his head in disbelief. really i am not smoking dont like it too da@# bad. he also told the guy that was smoking that he was not allowed to smoke his cigarette.... now i no longer care for cigarettes but i do not understand why it is nessary to ban smoking in outdoor venues. i know and fully understand that they do not want people to smoke anywhere near fueled or fueling aircraft; that should be common sense but the spectator area really?? its outside so it is not really doing anyone any harm... i personally do not care if they smoke, it should be their choice so long as i am not trapped in a closed area and forced to directly breath that crap.

as far as this guy bothering people vaping... my wife and i both felt that he should mind his own buisness.... he has allot of nerve bothering people, he is a spectator not an EAA official and has not authority to tell anyone to do anything. the only thing he could have done was complain to someone and when they discovered that the supposed smokers were actually using ecigs; they probably would have laughed at him.

i do think its great to see vaping catch on and seeing more and more people vaping and less smoking. as time passes cigarettes are going to become nearly extinct.... thats awesome... less sickness and death and people still continue living their lives as normal getting their nicotine to help them cope with life without dying for it.

The more I think about this, the more I agree with your stand. Kudos!!!
 

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Well there's the fact people think we are smoking when we are not...

There's also a part of the population that loves to feel superior by trying to enforce rules...

I think in Germany they were once known as "brown shirts." Sad to see many people aspiring to bring that notion back.
 

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recently i went to EAA air adventure, that's right oshkosh the biggest avaition event in the country (i am and always be an airplane junky). anyways i was enjoying the night airshow, vaping away. someone from the crowd approached me (he was not an EAA official) and told me i cannot "smoke" here. i told him i am not smoking and to beat it... ie get lost. when he left and turned his back i continued right on vaping. there were people ahead of me vaping and someone was smoking a cigarette. he went and bothered all of them. it did not appear that anyone official cared about the vaping although i know smoking wasnt officially allowed. as far as the vapers go, what harm were they doing to this guy why did he feel it was his mission to get them to stop. it does zero bodily harm to him and produces almost no oder... does not stink like cigarettes. when he told me that i wasnt allowed to smoke and i told him that i was not smoking he shook his head in disbelief. really i am not smoking dont like it too da@# bad. he also told the guy that was smoking that he was not allowed to smoke his cigarette.... now i no longer care for cigarettes but i do not understand why it is nessary to ban smoking in outdoor venues. i know and fully understand that they do not want people to smoke anywhere near fueled or fueling aircraft; that should be common sense but the spectator area really?? its outside so it is not really doing anyone any harm... i personally do not care if they smoke, it should be their choice so long as i am not trapped in a closed area and forced to directly breath that crap.

as far as this guy bothering people vaping... my wife and i both felt that he should mind his own buisness.... he has allot of nerve bothering people, he is a spectator not an EAA official and has not authority to tell anyone to do anything. the only thing he could have done was complain to someone and when they discovered that the supposed smokers were actually using ecigs; they probably would have laughed at him.

i do think its great to see vaping catch on and seeing more and more people vaping and less smoking. as time passes cigarettes are going to become nearly extinct.... thats awesome... less sickness and death and people still continue living their lives as normal getting their nicotine to help them cope with life without dying for it.[/QUOTE]

The more I think about this, the more I agree with your stand. Kudos!!!


That last part would be great, but that's not what happened. In the previous statement the non smoker was told by ad that he wasn't smoking and then he brushed him off. That means that everything that in the post after that is merely wishful thinking. Yes, it is great that vaping is taking off and that people are smoking less and less, but that didn't happen in this case. There was no forward movement on the part of the non smoker. He's just as ignorant now as he was earlier regarding smoking. The opportunity was missed to educate this person and then let him go out and educate more people.

I've keep reading the subsequent posts on this thread and, IMHO, I keep thinking that people are missing the point. It's not only about minding your own business or smokers rights vs vapers rights. It's about education. If you want people to understand what you're doing and how it's better than smoking then you need to be prepared to answer alot of questions and deal with the ignorant. They're ignorant to vaping because no one takes the time to educate. We're too busy being ...... off about being bothered or having our rights stepped on.
 

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Agreed. Sorry you brought it up. I shouldn't have taken the bait.

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What bait did you take at 6:14 pm on 8/14? You are the first person in the topic to post up with the {tired} partisan politics.

You got annoyed when Steve echoed your words back to you as well.

Any other ideas?

Yeah, you need to get that Oshkosh is an aviation event. They can make whatever rules they want on those premises. If you don't like them, then don't attend the event.

This is starting to sound like "wahhhh! They won't let me bring my dog to work!"

My canines are a part of my lifestyle choice.......i like to have them WITH me.........just like you like to have your PV..........yet, there are so many places and events that I attend where dogs are not allowed.

When you make a lifestyle choice, and you're an adult, (emotionally) you don't expect the whole rest of the world to cater to you or your choices.

Very few vapers that I have met, on ECF or in real life, are anywhere near as self-centered as your suggestions suggest you may be.
 

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FWIW.....Vapor4Life includes a "business card" with each order...
The "business card" front states: "This is NOT a cigarette"...the back explains, in very simple terms, what an e-cig is - and what it's NOT!!
IMHO....a GREAT way to inform someone who gets "in your face" about "smoking"...
You catch more flies with HONEY....than VINEGAR!!;)
Just my 2 cents....
 

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There we go! I want some of those cards to share where possible. Thx for the tip.

If only every nosey bodied ..... would appreciate learning, our jobs would be a piece of cake.

What are some workable solutions for those who just want to shake their arrogant fingers in disgust for those who have stopped smoking by switching over to the smoking simulation tool aka ecig? They dont want to learn or accept a darn thing that contradicts their hate filled hearts & minds.

Time to blare out Mac's "everybody's beautiful" song?

In their own waaaaay, like the starry summer night, love will find a waaaay..

Sheesh its been a long time, i maybe should consider looking up the lyrics lol
tapatypo
 

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If the guy was an official at the event I'd understand. But this guy had no authority to tell anyone anything. One day someone is going to split his hair for him.

People that don't mind their own business drive me friggin nuts! That being said , I think that most of us when we smoked, viciously defended our rights to do it , especially in smoke allowed areas where you would still get dirty looks and comments. So , now that we are vapers , I believe that there are some of us that "lay in wait" for the jerks that tell us we aren't allowed to "smoke" just so we can tell them where to go and how to get there. Although , you may get that warm fuzzy feeling inside for making that person feel like an idiot and walk away having no understanding at all of what your doing that looks like smoke , is not going to help our cause as vapers. We definitely need to help people understand what it is that we are doing because they don't know that it wont affect them negatively. There is already vaping bans going on all over the place because of uneducated people making ignorant decisions. Also people "stealth" vaping in places where smoking is not allowed also not good IMO. Anyway , I get your aggravation with control freaks that think they have authority over others and the first response that comes to my mind is "F-U" pal!" but I think of the bigger picture before I let it fly. Thats only the way I look at it , could be right or could be stupid , I don't know?
 

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It is kind of strange the way people act around smokers these days. I don't think it's that the smell disturbs them as much as it's the thought of the "dangers" of second hand smoke. The fear in a lot of people is over the top.

I can remember as a child, nobody ever seemed to be bothered by smokers. You could smoke in bars, restaurants, hospital waiting rooms, airplanes or pretty much anywhere. My parents never smoked, but when friends and or family came over to visit my mom would break out the stash of ashtrays for the smokers to use.

I can understand that there are certain public places where we should not smoke or vape. But banning smoking at outdoor locations is a bit ridiculous. We inhale just as many or more cancer causing fumes everyday when we drive to work. Should we ban the use of automobiles outdoors?
 

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It's my opinion that it's gotten to a point where the self-righteous ones have been given permission to vilify smokers and in their minds smokers embody all the "evil" traits they hold in their minds. It is socially acceptable to berate and shun smokers and in a perverted sense, the righteous minds get a high out of it. Just recall what happened during the witch trials throughout the world. And when they do it in public it gives them an audience to show how much more superior they are.

It is a response from the human condition and it's more psychological issue than factual. The same applies to every group whether it is religious issues, moral issues, smoking, vaping, body weight, alcoholism, etc. The dynamic is that in their minds, they will come out "victorious" and someone (the victim) is an abomination that deserves to be disrespected and mistreated.
 

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Agree with you RosaJ. I posted this some time ago on another thread:

"I've taken it in the gut, so to speak, for years from self-righteous non and ex smokers and I'm not going to do it anymore. If I detect an ounce of prejudice coming my way, I say so. Some people have genuine concerns for their OWN health and I respect that and will treat them respectfully by explaining they're in no danger.... but... and its a big one.... when I see they're like a fish flopping around on the beach and terrified they're going to loose their pet hate peeve I will find an opportune put down that points out their prejudice and judgement. Its high time the shame was thrown back in their face where it actually belongs. The bashing they've done of smokers is not acceptable which is really what they're still trying to do. They need that in their lives to feel superior. I will let them know just what inferior humans they are and then move one because closed minds with a hidden agenda cannot be reasoned with but they sure can be shown that what worked on me before is over. I'm one of those 60's kids and have done it before with racial epithets. I spoke up loudly whenever one was used around me. Smoking was turned into a "moral issue" rather than a health one by these types and I won't continue to be their target while vaping. People don't change. Some will fight hard to keep some group or other "beneath" them. Discern the difference between that and reason and handle things accordingly. "
 

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Yep, Patkin totally agree. I'm a kid from the 60's also and lived through all the social prejudices that we take for granted these days. I'm not condoning violent altercations of any kind, but can't help but think that many of the prejudices in the past came to a halt after some kind of riot/demonstrations.

It's time to call it like it is, and vaping is the latest in the history of the world. Are we going to stand by and cow-tow, have we been so well conditioned to accept accusations of "killing" others with our vapor? Not me, if I'm ever approached by a self-righteous ANTZ, I will politely thank them for their concern and continue vaping (if I am standing outside). I'm not a trouble maker by any means, I'm just sick and tired of being used.
 

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No amount of education will get around the fact that vaping looks like smoking from a distance. Officials at such an event certainly don't have time to run around checking to see if one is vaping, instead of smoking, in areas that are not designated smoking areas. There are also smokers that will light up in non-smoking areas if they see people vaping. It is just easier for those running private events and businesses to prohibit both smoking and vaping. It is what it is. If I 'needed' to vape, I would stand near the smoking area.
 

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recently i went to EAA air adventure, that's right oshkosh the biggest avaition event in the country (i am and always be an airplane junky). anyways i was enjoying the night airshow, vaping away. someone from the crowd approached me (he was not an EAA official) and told me i cannot "smoke" here. i told him i am not smoking and to beat it... ie get lost. when he left and turned his back i continued right on vaping. there were people ahead of me vaping and someone was smoking a cigarette. he went and bothered all of them. it did not appear that anyone official cared about the vaping although i know smoking wasnt officially allowed. as far as the vapers go, what harm were they doing to this guy why did he feel it was his mission to get them to stop. it does zero bodily harm to him and produces almost no oder... does not stink like cigarettes. when he told me that i wasnt allowed to smoke and i told him that i was not smoking he shook his head in disbelief. really i am not smoking dont like it too da@# bad. he also told the guy that was smoking that he was not allowed to smoke his cigarette.... now i no longer care for cigarettes but i do not understand why it is nessary to ban smoking in outdoor venues. i know and fully understand that they do not want people to smoke anywhere near fueled or fueling aircraft; that should be common sense but the spectator area really?? its outside so it is not really doing anyone any harm... i personally do not care if they smoke, it should be their choice so long as i am not trapped in a closed area and forced to directly breath that crap.

as far as this guy bothering people vaping... my wife and i both felt that he should mind his own buisness.... he has allot of nerve bothering people, he is a spectator not an EAA official and has not authority to tell anyone to do anything. the only thing he could have done was complain to someone and when they discovered that the supposed smokers were actually using ecigs; they probably would have laughed at him.

i do think its great to see vaping catch on and seeing more and more people vaping and less smoking. as time passes cigarettes are going to become nearly extinct.... thats awesome... less sickness and death and people still continue living their lives as normal getting their nicotine to help them cope with life without dying for it.

I'm reposting the OP. The person that approached was not from the venue's security staff, it was just another person attending the event. And, didn't give the OP a chance to educate him, just turned around and went to the next vaper and proceeded to do the same thing. As I said before, the guy was on a self-appointed "mission."
 
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