Paranormal Activity??

[eHuman]

I have to say eHuman, that I kinda got that snooty, "when you get where I am" vibe from you too, even though it may not have been your intent.

Well darn. That is not my intent but if 2 of you see it then it must be so. And i'm the mild one in the group I used to work with.

My appologies, I'll have to really think how I am coming across in the future.

I don't think it's ultimately a very important discussion since we all agree on the end result.

Believe it or not I feel the same way, I guess I just like a good debate too much. And I really do appreciate the Brotherly way you pointed it out.

Here's to a better try next time!

 

[eHuman]

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Brother we've both let this go too far. I'm not intentionally trying to get you or anyone else to play by my rules, I'm exercising my mind.

The core of this is always comparing notes, everyone chimes in, we all have a mind and an opinion on most of the topics on it. The problem (and it's not you) is when I want to go deeper than just the surface. (As in) OK, here's how I come to mine, how do you come to yours?

We can merely state our opinions and leave them on the table and be done with it and everything would be fine.

Or we can actually compare each others notes to one another and seek to determine if we can get a little deeper and closer to the one that is more correct, or as a result find the one we are all missing, and everything would be fine too.

I can understand that it's not for everyone and nobody is obligated to play. This method has been very useful to me in the industry to iron out wrinkles that I didn't even know I had. If you were to point out a flaw in a premise that I use to come to a conclusion then I am forced to re-evaluate it. And I would hope that you would do so.

We can stand around and be PC or we can hold each other accountable to the ideas that we represent, and grow in the process. Call it a personality flaw, call me coarse but I like going a little deeper. The world is full of people saying, "I'm ok, you're ok." Nobody has to jump in with me. I admit I have to work on my delivery and gentleness sometimes but I'll tell you the truth from experience; It is possible for 3 or 4 people to bounce off of each other in this way and all come out better for the process. Some of my best understandings have come from someone saying, :but have you considered this piece here?"

When I ask, "How can that be?" I don't mean, "You idiot!" I mean, "How did you get there? Share the data cause I can't see it!" "Enlighten me."

All that to lead to the real important stuff. My apologies brother as I can get pointed and excited and bull-dog-ish when I'm in the mode of sifting through info. I want it to fit. You are an asset to the forum and I respect your thoughts, I shouldn't always try do dig more out than people are willing able or desiring to give. Not everyone is the same.

 

[Jason_in_nc]

So, instead of discussing how we discuss...

Let me see if we can take this back on topic. To your point E, I understand what you are saying. IF our perception is based solely on our subjective perception instead of the word of God, then we are setting ourselves up for error. Our perceptions can be erroneous and faulty in a variety of ways. I get that.

But I do not agree that it's ether God or Satan. No. I believe (and this is based on what I have read and understood from reading scripture) that there are things that just "happen". God knows and permits, sometimes he intervenes, other times he does not. But he doesn't directly "cause" everything that happens, nor does Satan cause everything that God does not.

If there is a natural disaster and many die, did God cause it? He could have, but I don't assume he did. Did he permit it? Is he going to use it? Was it not woven into his plan before time began? Sure.

If God did not directly cause the disaster, did Satan? I don't think we can necessarily assume that either. I believe that certain "natural" events are neither good nor bad, they just are, but can be used for either good or bad.

Those passive paranormal events fall into that category for me. But, realizing that we cannot with any certainty know when something is some kind of "frequency" event or not, God would by necessity have to tell us to avoid all such strange paranormal occurrences for our own safety.

Now if you want to discuss whether or not every event is either caused by God or caused by Satan, that would probably be another topic.

 

[eHuman]

Jason, we're closer to each other in conclusions than you think. I would put a little more weight on Deity than you did on the "neutral" instead of just being part of the way things are in a fallen world, but then you said, "Was it not woven into his plan before time began?" which brought it back closer to together.

Admittedly I give more weight to "Was it not woven into his plan before time began?" than allot of others do I guess, but that not from emotion but study. Not a hair may drop from our heads without God ultimately authorizing it. God is also about a great work on a grand level of intricacy when you look at all of the lives that ever will be, not just those that are saved. How much "hands off" would it really take to start frustrating His plans before He had to step in to tweak and correct things? From there we ask, "some?" then, "how much?"

Some people on one end believe that God "rolled the dice" and sorta sits back and sees where everything falls. Some think He is involved actively but on a very small scale. Still others (and I'm probably closer to this end) God is in full control (as in actively not speaking of the obvious ability). Two part reason for that, the book and life itself. Some believe that He just happens to know what will happen, and others that He ensures it. I've been told I give God too much credit.

Just as the Holy Spirit both prompts God's kids He draws and tugs on those who aren't. Satan prompts his kids and draws and tugs on those who aren't. Nature? I don't believe that any act of nature can take the life of anyone unless it was already deemed as their appointed time from before the foundations of the world, which brings me back round to who's controlling this merry-go-round to make sure it happens as it should so that all of God's appointments are kept?

Maybe I do give God too much credit.

 

[HyOnLyph]

Brother ...

Thank you, I trust we'll have more discussions.

 

[HyOnLyph]

If I may engage... back on topic... (hallelujah)

Jason, we're closer to each other in conclusions than you think. I would put a little more weight on Deity than you did on the "neutral" instead of just being part of the way things are in a fallen world, but then you said, "Was it not woven into his plan before time began?" which brought it back closer to together.

Admittedly I give more weight to "Was it not woven into his plan before time began?" than allot of others do I guess, .... How much "hands off" would it really take to start frustrating His plans before He had to step in to tweak and correct things? From there we ask, "some?" then, "how much?"

Do you think that one is exclusive of the other? Is it your position that simply because something is not holy or evil that it cannot be part of God's amazing plan? Are you saying that if some event were neutral (to use Jason's terminology) that God must be taking a "hands off" stance toward it?

Is it possible that it could be said, in the most general sense of the word, that all events, spirits, people etc are "good" if it is all part of God's plan and his performance of His Word. "all things work together for good ...." ?

 

[Jason_in_nc]

Jason, we're closer to each other in conclusions than you think. I would put a little more weight on Deity than you did on the "neutral" instead of just being part of the way things are in a fallen world, but then you said, "Was it not woven into his plan before time began?" which brought it back closer to together.

Admittedly I give more weight to "Was it not woven into his plan before time began?" than allot of others do I guess, but that not from emotion but study. Not a hair may drop from our heads without God ultimately authorizing it. God is also about a great work on a grand level of intricacy when you look at all of the lives that ever will be, not just those that are saved. How much "hands off" would it really take to start frustrating His plans before He had to step in to tweak and correct things? From there we ask, "some?" then, "how much?"

Some people on one end believe that God "rolled the dice" and sorta sits back and sees where everything falls. Some think He is involved actively but on a very small scale. Still others (and I'm probably closer to this end) God is in full control (as in actively not speaking of the obvious ability). Two part reason for that, the book and life itself. Some believe that He just happens to know what will happen, and others that He ensures it. I've been told I give God too much credit.

Just as the Holy Spirit both prompts God's kids He draws and tugs on those who aren't. Satan prompts his kids and draws and tugs on those who aren't. Nature? I don't believe that any act of nature can take the life of anyone unless it was already deemed as their appointed time from before the foundations of the world, which brings me back round to who's controlling this merry-go-round to make sure it happens as it should so that all of God's appointments are kept?

Maybe I do give God too much credit.

I don't think I would call it giving God too much credit exactly. I just don't think that God pulls everything down that rolls off a cliff. He instituted gravity before time, knowing full well the effect it would have on everything that ever would be. So God did institute gravity, but he doesn't make everything fall.

If a person falls off of a cliff, then they may suffer the consequences or, if God so chooses, he may intervene in some way.
Regardless, gravity does it's work as ordained by God.

Radio and tv frequences are similar. They do what they do. Sometimes the reception of these waves can get "crossed" whether it be by a mechanical device or our own senses. At least that's my theory as relates to this discussion. It doesn't mean these occurances are good or bad, but because there certainly ARE demonic forces at work in the realm of the paranormal, and because our discernment of these events is limited at best, we are to avoid all.

 

[Jason_in_nc]

and for what it's worth, I am enjoying Destination Truth far less because they have decided to focus more on the paranormal than cryptozoology. I've never been a fan of the paranormal stuff. One, it's supposed to be avoided and two, it's really easy to fake.

;-)

 

[HyOnLyph]

I don't think I would call it giving God too much credit exactly. I just don't think that God pulls everything down that rolls off a cliff. He instituted gravity before time, knowing full well the effect it would have on everything that ever would be. So God did institute gravity, but he doesn't make everything fall.

If a person falls off of a cliff, then they may suffer the consequences or, if God so chooses, he may intervene in some way.
Regardless, gravity does it's work as ordained by God.

Radio and tv frequences are similar. They do what they do. Sometimes the reception of these waves can get "crossed" whether it be by a mechanical device or our own senses. At least that's my theory as relates to this discussion. It doesn't mean these occurances are good or bad, but because there certainly ARE demonic forces at work in the realm of the paranormal, and because our discernment of these events is limited at best, we are to avoid all.

oooh... oooh... can we start a new thread on Radio and TV frequencies? I'm wearing my tin-foil demon-shield hat as we speak.... just kidding. I really do love to discuss the effect of man-generated frequencies on humans. Wish I had more resources on that one.

 

[blondeambition3]

E, Jason and Hy.. I just LOVE reading these fabulous, in depth and INTELLIGENT discussions! They're helping me to have a better understanding of WHAT I believe... (lol) I won't 'conclude' anything until the discussion ends however.. (lol)
Incredible Minds! (Thumbs up!)

 

[LisaLisa]

oooh... oooh... can we start a new thread on Radio and TV frequencies? I'm wearing my tin-foil demon-shield hat as we speak.... just kidding. I really do love to discuss the effect of man-generated frequencies on humans. Wish I had more resources on that one.

I can help you with that. This is just one application, but there are many others including weather modification and altering our thoughts, emotions, and bodily functions too. Google HAARP and start reading. Much to know, many applications for this technology (evil).


Many people have wondered about the television switchover from analog to digital and the little converter boxes that the government is helping people to purchase. It is quite a scheme, and the “upgrade” is one that will facilitate high-tech mind control.

Our U.S. Military has used such technology for over ten years, and it was used on the Iraqis to bring them to their knees quickly when invaded in 1990. The technology is called Silent Sound Spread Spectrum or SSSS. U.S. Patent number 4,858,612 was issued to Philip Stocklin on December 19th, 1983, for the invention. It is also known as sound of silence (remember the Simon and Garfunkel song), and it works by transmission of sound undetected by the ear but planted into the human auditory cortex of the brain. It is the ultimate in universal mind control.

If this system were attempted to be used with the old analog television, it would show up only as static. That is why everything must be converted to digital, and the government will help you pay for it. Don’t put it past big brother to try to put the will of the Antichrist directly into your brain as you make eye contact with your digital television. You may find yourself thinking things you otherwise would never think and doing things you would otherwise never do!

Incidentally, the first verse of the satanically prophetic song “The Sound of Silence” reads as follows: “Hello darkness my old friend, I’ve come to talk with you again, Because a vision softly creeping, Left its seeds while I was sleeping, And the vision that was planted in my brain still remains, Within the sound of silence.”


The link below is dated January of '09 so I am sure this attack is now in full swing! If you need further proof, "google" it for yourself: SILENT SOUND SPREAD SPECTRUM. More info at the links below.

whatsup?: Artificial Telepathy, Silent Sound Spread Spectrum & Chemtrails

Silent Sound Spread Spectrum (SSSS) & the All-Digital TV Broadcast Signal: Connection? « The PPJ Gazette

Mind Control With Silent Sounds And Super Computers

 

[HyOnLyph]

That's a lot more than I anticipated. Very interesting stuff.

I haven't really wondered much about the whole "mind control" etc. issue. Although I don't discount it at all.
I have often wondered... that IF radio/micro/tv waves including cell phones etc are simply another form of radiation (which they are) AND IF radiation causes cancer and autoimmune diseases (which we can confirm) : Then I wonder what the relationship would be between increase in cancer and other autoimmune diseases (rheum. arthritis, chrons, etc.) and the increase in man made "waves" in the atmosphere.

Radiation decreases our body's natural ability to fight off all of the diseases it was designed to fight. We were designed to handle and even utilize naturally occuring radiation... just not the extreme man made stuff.

Scripture tells us that without God's intervention humankind would destroy itself.
Would it be interesting, when we see the Lord, that we find out that the way we would do it was by destroying our own immune system through our technologies.

We are so afraid of nuclear weapons and our ability to blow ourselves up... and we quite possibly are killing ourselves from the inside. Just a thought.

 

[Saintscruiser]

I hadn't even thought about that song, Lisa. I really didn't like it....you know the 5th Dimension did Age of Aquarius. Who really knew back then. Now I am going to throw in one more thing that I got from a very reliable source. There are trucks with x-ray tech that can look into your home without your knowledge. It was originally for terrorist location, but guess who bought 500 of these trucks. Anybody? The current administration, that's who! I always wondered how they would find the Christians hiding out during the Tribulation period. I actually thought it would be some kind of transmitter within the HD tv. I'm wrong. It's gotta be with these trucks. Technology is made before a 2nd person thinks of it. I haven't watched Jesse V. as yet. I have them dvr'd. Paranoid? No. Curious? Yes. Yeah, the Haarp organization is something. People have no idea. None. It's going to be bad.