PBusardo removed the vid for Freetovape

[Shootist]

Just thought I'd let everyone know that Phil has removed all traces of the Freetovape stuff from Utube and his website.

Siting that CASAA did not think it was a good idea. Maybe stealing some Thunder????

 

[plastictree]

There's some crazy fighting going on. Casaa said that it would hurt to plummet the fda with these formed submissions which is not what the fda wants. They want answers to their questions. But since they get sent out to congressmen and local officials too, i submitted one

 

[benroy44]

well maybe CASAA needs to keep us better informed of there plans not just a call to action once in a wile

 

[CloudsinCrowds]

Very interesting.
I guess he feels that it may not truly be the best avenue of progress. That is clearly just speculation but i cant really come up with anything else. Still very interesting.

 

[Jeffk123]

Im confused wasn't he working right with rip trippers and the other reviewers with this? He said so in his video a few weeks back why retract now? Surley they can just make this available to the congress members since they are the ones who will have the final say so if deeming regs do get finalized.

 

[Shootist]

There's some crazy fighting going on. Casaa said that it would hurt to plummet the fda with these formed submissions which is not what the fda wants. They want answers to their questions. But since they get sent out to congressmen and local officials too, i submitted one

Didn't CASAA have a form in the first call to action that got submitted to the FDA? I filled out one.
Answer to what questions?

I submitted one also.

@benroy
Yeah letting everyone know what they are doing, plan on doing and when would be a good idea.

Or is all of this turning into a power struggle? IE just like our government.

 

[crxess]

well maybe CASAA needs to keep us better informed of there plans not just a call to action once in a wile

Join CASAA, IT IS FREE, indicate your State - you will receive any pertinent information concerning your Right to vape. Your State/county/local issues and all Government(FDA) issues. CASAA has already activated step 2, but if you ignore or miss out while now staying on top of the issue - You Lose.

 

[Vaslovik]

I find this very curious and a little disturbing. Phil has an account on these forums, perhaps he will clarify things for us. I'm sure in time it will come out.

 

[Vaslovik]

There's some crazy fighting going on. Casaa said that it would hurt to plummet the fda with these formed submissions which is not what the fda wants. They want answers to their questions. But since they get sent out to congressmen and local officials too, i submitted one

I think what the FDA wants is to destroy the vaping industry and culture, and I think they don't give a flip about our stories of much improved health and other benefits of vaping. It's all about the money with them, and what their corporate handlers tell them to do. The fix is in and they are pumping out vicious propaganda and fake studies now. It's obvious what the FDA wants.and there is no end of lies they will tell to get it.

 

[classwife]

Could also make sure you keep yourself informed...

CASAA has a forum on ECF - it's a good place to look for updates :
CASAA

CASAA website :
CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association



There is also Legislation News Forum here :
Legislation News

 

[JustB'nMe]

According to his website, he was getting mixed signals from the community as to whether or not they were doing more harm than good. He's going to take some time away from it all and further look into things. So yes, for the moment, he's removed their banners from his various sites.

Live well, Love hard, Laugh often & Vape on!

 

[Icey]

I think what the FDA wants is to destroy the vaping industry and culture, and I think they don't give a flip about our stories of much improved health and other benefits of vaping. It's all about the money with them, and what their corporate handlers tell them to do. The fix is in and they are pumping out vicious propaganda and fake studies now. It's obvious what the FDA wants.and there is no end of lies they will tell to get it.

This is what I fear in the most. Years of having health checks ups and providing it in open isn't enough for them and now they're going way above and beyond taking rights to vape. Hell, I'm on a 30day heart monitor just to prove it doesn't increase heart rate currently.

 

[crxess]

I have to look at it this way.
Yesterday - Freetovape? Whats that?
Today - We need a Million signed up - and we will automate you everywhere! Wha'? We how? You will?

Hey, I'm on the band wagon. I speak my piece and I sign petitions(once read). I will do what is necessary and proper as I can

I will not go Snipe hunting in the woods at night drunk and get some friend shot.

In short there is a right time, place and Reason for everything that needs to be done.


Is their reason to aid all vapers or to inundate, intimidate and further alienate the FDA?

 

[raspberryblu]

This is what I fear in the most. Years of having health checks ups and providing it in open isn't enough for them and now they're going way above and beyond taking rights to vape. Hell, I'm on a 30day heart monitor just to prove it doesn't increase heart rate currently.

I did the thirty day holter monitor too. The interesting thing was, I had all sorts of episodes of tachycardia, PVC's and such, right up until my quit date which was March 9th. You can actually see the data. I have not had ANY of these cardiac symptoms since starting vaping. My doctor actually asked to see my mod......

 

[Mitchdisaster]

Sounds to me like the CASAA powers that be are getting their panties in a bunch because they're not the ones leading the charge. The only way to get through to the people up on the hill are to annoy them until they listen or pay them. Well we can't afford to pay them but we sure as hell can annoy them.

I support CASAA and all the work that they do, but something has to be done before our elected representatives do something that their constituents don't want. How can they know what we want if we don't tell them. you HAVE to flood them or they won't even see the issue.

Not like it'll matter they won't see 99% of what is sent to them. It all goes through the interns and clerks. Unless freetovape or CASAA can afford a high end lobbying group we might as well be pissing in the wind.

 

[kristin]

CASAA laid out its game plan here: CASAA: Overview of CASAA's Action Plan Regarding Proposed FDA Regulations

That game plan also includes contacting Congress with specific requests. CASAA is treating the FDA comments and contacting Congress as two separate and equally important actions, rather than sending a one-time, bulk "catch-all" letter.

CASAA did not get "its panties in a bunch" over this. FTV contacted us a while ago and we told them our concerns. We heard nothing more of it until we received an email yesterday saying they chose to go ahead with it anyway and that is absolutely their right. We sent an email back reiterating our concerns and thought that was that.

However, when a member of CASAA asked about it on the CASAA Facebook group and CASAA responded to him explaining our concerns, CASAA was attacked for not urging our members to still participate in spite of our concerns and for somehow trying to block people's right to do what they want. CASAA leadership didn't even bring up FTV, we were questioned about it. CASAA leadership has not been bad mouthing FTV at all and we have not been telling vapers not to participate outside of threads on our own FB member group. Obviously, CASAA wants CASAA members to follow CASAA's plan of attack, rather than one we disagree with, and we expressed that opinon only in our own member group. Is that really all that unreasonable?

 

[Jdbaker82]

I got news for everyone in case you didn't already know. They don't care about what anyone says or wants they will get their way this comes down to money just like everything else in life. Sorry but we stand no chance so whatever is coming will come and there is no point wasting any time fighting it.

Sent from my SCH-I545 using Xparent Skyblue Tapatalk 2

 

[Robino1]

I got news for everyone in case you didn't already know. They don't care about what anyone says or wants they will get their way this comes down to money just like everything else in life. Sorry but we stand no chance so whatever is coming will come and there is no point wasting any time fighting it.

Sent from my SCH-I545 using Xparent Skyblue Tapatalk 2

I don't see it as a waste of time. I didn't fight when they passed laws to curb smoking in my bar. I didn't fight when they started taxing the crap out of cigarettes. I bought the whole smoking is bad for me and those around me. I have since come to learn that second hand smoke is not nearly has bad as those that wish to get rid of all tobacco and nicotine products. That is beside the point. I didn't fight because I believed that it was bad for those I loved around me.

I will fight and I believe that those who are trying to pass this crap stuff, thought that I would just roll over like I did when they were passing laws against smoking. Not this time. I don't believe they thought there would be any push back. HA!

I think we DO stand a chance. If we give up, yeah, then we certainly don't have a chance.

 

[Susan~S]

CASAA laid out its game plan here: CASAA: Overview of CASAA's Action Plan Regarding Proposed FDA Regulations

That game plan also includes contacting Congress with specific requests. CASAA is treating the FDA comments and contacting Congress as two separate and equally important actions, rather than sending a one-time, bulk "catch-all" letter.

I'm following CASAA! Two different audiences requires two different approaches to be the most effective.

 

[Myrany]

Well I won't be filling out the form. I am not comfortable with handing out personal information to a site hiding its ownership behind a proxy.