PBUSARDO's Genesis Epiphany

[pmar4015]

Just watched PBusardo's video regarding his revelation that Genesis atomizers are the "holy grail" of vaping. He mentions that he now understands why people are infatuated with Mechanical Mods due to these mods, amongst other factors, not having the wattage limitations that his Provari does.

I must admit, I still don't fully understand his premise in terms of the wattage benefit he states are inherent to mechanical mods. With the advent of Variable Wattage electronic mods that have the ability to go to 15 watts, and certainly any mod with the dna 20D which provides up to 20 watts, isn't this amount of wattage more than enough?

I have the utmost respect for PBusardo's knowledge of the world of vaping; therefore, I strongly suspect it is myself who is missing something.

Thanks

 

[aziffel]

I think its because a mechanical PV with a good hi drain battery like the AW's or the panasonic or MNKE is a little more forgiving of shorts or hot spots than a VV.Also some want to vape a 60w light bulb too.
although I don't have any problems running a z atty pro or a DID on the provari either.I really like the consistant power delivery of a VV or VW vs. falling off with the battery on a mech. PV.I use both,but swap batteries at around 3.7-3.8v in a mech PV
The hit just ain't there below that.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

Hello fellow long islander

I don't own a mechanical, but I use the DID20mm and Z Atty Pro on my provari. My typical set up is around 1.5 ohms which I hammer at 4-4.5 volts. The reality is, if you have .... taste buds like myself, flavors will all start to scorch at some point, usually somewhere between 10-15 watts depending on what it is/who you ask.

For me, the provari can give me more than enough. I do aspire to own a mechanical or hybrid, but not for desire to run it hotter. Keep in mind that some people have sharp, discerning taste, some can't taste anything. Sorry if that hurts anyones feelings, but its the truth, however I'm not singling out anyone in particular let alone pbusardo who I enjoy. This explains, in my opinion, many a scenario of someone giving a rave review on a set up that simply doesn't wick or is flat out being run to the point of burning, leaving many of us shaking our heads in disbelief and frustration.

I vape 90% unflavored, which of course can be vaped much hotter/harder

The confound here is that we're not really vaping watts, though its a good way to talk about the "bottom line" of a vape when comparing identical coil/wick set ups. The problem is with RBAs, a thicker wick with more wraps of wire/thicker wire will not only be able to tolerate more wattage than a less wraps/thinner wire/thinner wick, it will also require more wattage to feel like a 12 watt vape, lets say for example, that you may get from a prefabricated atomizer. Reason is the distribution of energy and heat sink from all the metal/mesh is more wide and demanding. See below link if you care to run down this rabbit hole on a rainy day

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-not-matter-its-all-about-wire-temp-read.html

Those that sing the praises of mechanicals over the provari, etc do so for many reasons (see great post above for some), one of which is the ability to use <1.0 ohm coils, allowing them to use higher wattage, so I imagine that's whe pbusardo is getting at. Think of a freshly charged 4.2 volt battery firing a .7 ohm coil. Yes the battery will drop under load, but you're still getting mucho watts

 

[Pete54]

Where is this video? I don't see it on his site.

 

[SilentScreams]

Where is this video? I don't see it on his site.

He posted it to youtube about 1 this morning.

 

[tomaKBRN]

If that's the video I saw I think it was one of the first times he had successfully used a geny (when I first managed to get it working properly I too was like !O.O! ). And he then proceeded to propose the setup that was easiest to upkeep, mech mods blow no fuse and now with the kick they are very strong in the scene, having a device that will fire .8o coils as well as 3o+ that need nothing but charging batteries and the genesis that usees SS and a little wire is definitely a good way to spend your money.

I'm not sure if the kick is VW without turning the knob, say you change the atomizer, will the kick adjust V so that the W stays put? Because if so then holy cow I'm with him, If not they still are pretty good.

 

[Pete54]

If that's the video I saw I think it was one of the first times he had successfully used a geny (when I first managed to get it working properly I too was like !O.O! ). And he then proceeded to propose the setup that was easiest to upkeep, mech mods blow no fuse and now with the kick they are very strong in the scene, having a device that will fire .8o coils as well as 3o+ that need nothing but charging batteries and the genesis that usees SS and a little wire is definitely a good way to spend your money.

I'm not sure if the kick is VW without turning the knob, say you change the atomizer, will the kick adjust V so that the W stays put? Because if so then holy cow I'm with him, If not they still are pretty good.

The Kick is VW. It adjusts the voltage, depending on atomiser resistance, to your pre-set wattage. Unfortunately, with a limit of 10 watts, it is not an option for me. I use a 1.0Ω coil so I'm at 16.8 watts with a fresh battery.

 

[pmar4015]

Thank you for the reply. By the way, the video I am referring to was posted today. Just in case anyone is unsure as to what specific video I am referring to.

 

[tomaKBRN]

Just saw it and all I can think is that he said his coil are around 1oHm so the mech mod get high up like pete said, but IMO the coil may get super hot but the heating of the metal wick is what is probably giving the vape he liked, I've seen some mods to gennys that include thing like the coil inside a glass tube sealed at both ends like a light bulb and the glass is what heat the juice up, not the coil itself running at 10+W.
Oh well if Phill says is very good I guess I can justify a mech mod buy

 

[Cyrus Vap]

Watching the video now, I'm not sure what his epiphany really amounts to except to say genesis atomizers work better with more power

 

[tj99959]

To each their own, the "Holy Grail" is just far to subjective IMO.
The are those that love their Gennies ......... I hate them. There are those that love their mechanical mods ........ I'm one of them.
I say, find what you like, and don't worry about what someone else likes. Did you ever worry about your frinds liking Chesterfields instead of Camels? Believe me RBA's and Gennies are not the only good vapes on a mechanical mod. Good dripping atties and LR cartos have been around for a long time.

So again, whatever floats your boat is just fine, no one else has to like it.

 

[CASEACE79]

There is something beautiful about vaping 28g kanthal at like 17-18w. I don't scorch my juice either as long as I have built a good wick. You just can't get that kind of power out of anything but a mech mod. And there are people who will scream about the voltage drop off. But if you use the correct batteries this really isn't that much of an issue. AW IMR batteries are great, especially for power regulated mods. They however aren't the best for mech mods. The MNKE 18650 has 20amp continuous output so it's safer to run sub 1 ohm coils on. The real benefit is that the voltage doesn't drop off till almost the end of the battery. The only downside is that it's 1500 mah.

This set up by far produces the cleanest, most vapor rich experience I have ever had. There really is nothing that comes even close.