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I know what a great vape with cotton can be. Cotton needs time to soak ejuice. You will notice a big difference with a cotton wick soaked/saturated in ejuice for a day or two before using. Compared to having a fresh cotton that you just put in and just dripped ejuice on and start using right away.
Cotton can burn easy. That is why every fiber needs time to soak in juice. After awhile it will wear out. If there's not good juice flow, like in a tank, it will burn. Once it burns, that taste will not go away. And the cotton needs to be changed. I can tell on the slightest taste when the cotton is not good anymore.
 

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Every item that gets burned produce oxides that are dangerous almost always. We must not burn anything and we must not put very high temperature on any material because it crystallize structure changes.

I follow your reasoning Imeo but... the key point regarding this is still missing imo. As we are not eating the wires, do the oxides formed during glowing/dry burning get into the vapor and into our lungs when vaping? So far I have only seen speculation and assumption on this.
I mean, my car is full of dangerous materials too but that doesn't make driving it unhealthy.
 

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i dont see a connection between driving and vaping fog lol

We have to be extremely careful of what we put inside mouth or lungs buddy. And of course all these oxides go inside our lungs.

Would you dilute some rust inside your liquid before put it in your atomizer?
Or would you still put your liquids inside rusted bottles?
 
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Hi , just to share a couple of latest pics on topic .
first is the V3 with magalodon short mod (18350).
second is close up of micro coils i make (tension wrap , no burning at all ) 2mm. diameter bit, 0,20mm. kanthal (32 gauge ) total of 7 wraps that makes a 2.2 ohm . total width of coil is 1,9 mm.
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So, update:

I've been using loose cotton because it seemed to wick better, maybe it's something I'm doing wrong with the silica.
I noticed that after a day or two max the flavor turns very flat and kind of harsh...forcing a rebuild...mostly because I don't want to try re-wicking a wet coil, and the coil is starting to look a bit gunky anyhow.

Is it the cotton that's causing the flavor problem? Maybe I should try Silica again, maybe do it like Bishop's video?
 

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So, update:

I've been using loose cotton because it seemed to wick better, maybe it's something I'm doing wrong with the silica.
I noticed that after a day or two max the flavor turns very flat and kind of harsh...forcing a rebuild...mostly because I don't want to try re-wicking a wet coil, and the coil is starting to look a bit gunky anyhow.

Is it the cotton that's causing the flavor problem? Maybe I should try Silica again, maybe do it like Bishop's video?

Try soaking your cotton wick for a day or two before use. I soak mine in a small dish/bowl. Even with a thin piece of cotton soaking you will notice that the cotton has become twice the size in diameter. You don't have to use a lot of juice for this. I'm not saying to put your wick in your ejuice bottle...unless you really want to. But put the cotton wick in a dish and drip juice on it until you notice that the cotton wick will not soak juice anymore. Then put a small amount of juice on the sides of the wick, making a small puddle. Since Penelope wicks are small, it should take only 1-2mm or less of juice to do this. I should also mention to cut the wick to size fit your RBA beforehand, that way you're not wasting juice. Leave it sitting for a day and come back and you will notice your small puddle is gone like magic. But the cotton soaked it all up. If you use too much ejuice then there might still be a puddle left, since the cotton can only soak up so much. But once you've done it a few times you'll get the hang of it.

You can do this with the cotton before or after the coil is on the wick. When the wick is ready, the RBA set up now will be a little messy and will require to get ejuice on your hands. But the clean up is not that bad and the vape is oh so worth it...even in sub-ohms.:)
 

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So, update:

I've been using loose cotton because it seemed to wick better, maybe it's something I'm doing wrong with the silica.
I noticed that after a day or two max the flavor turns very flat and kind of harsh...forcing a rebuild...mostly because I don't want to try re-wicking a wet coil, and the coil is starting to look a bit gunky anyhow.

Is it the cotton that's causing the flavor problem? Maybe I should try Silica again, maybe do it like Bishop's video?

If you are using a tight coil or micro coil and you don't over stuff the wick in you should be able to pull out the cotton no problem. Although I usually cut one side right next to the coil to pull it out. Even if you use a spaced coil you can pull it out you just have to be more careful.

As for the taste if you aren't burning the cotton then it could be your juice. My old go to juice would gunk up any wick within a day or 2. My new juice will last much longer with most any wick sometimes as long as 3-4 weeks. However if you let your tank go dry or there is a wicking issue and that cotton burns even a little it will make it taste bad.

I highly recommend trying to get a good coil built that can handle having your wick replaced. I hardly ever recoil any of my stuff just swap out the wick (cotton) once a week or so. I can usually do each atomizer in under 5 min and that includes draining and cleaning. I do also agree with letting the cotton soak before use unless you are in a pinch. I usually try to either replace my wicks right before bed so they have all night to soak or I stagger them out so I can let one soak for a while before I use it.
 

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If you are using a tight coil or micro coil and you don't over stuff the wick in you should be able to pull out the cotton no problem. Although I usually cut one side right next to the coil to pull it out. Even if you use a spaced coil you can pull it out you just have to be more careful.

As for the taste if you aren't burning the cotton then it could be your juice. My old go to juice would gunk up any wick within a day or 2. My new juice will last much longer with most any wick sometimes as long as 3-4 weeks. However if you let your tank go dry or there is a wicking issue and that cotton burns even a little it will make it taste bad.

I highly recommend trying to get a good coil built that can handle having your wick replaced. I hardly ever recoil any of my stuff just swap out the wick (cotton) once a week or so. I can usually do each atomizer in under 5 min and that includes draining and cleaning. I do also agree with letting the cotton soak before use unless you are in a pinch. I usually try to either replace my wicks right before bed so they have all night to soak or I stagger them out so I can let one soak for a while before I use it.

I've been DIYing my juice for a couple years now, and I've pretty consistently settled on a blend of Mint with a bit of maple in it for sweetener. Otherwise, 60/40 blend at 10mg. When it's fully steeped, it's a bit lighter than the red AW batteries. Strange thing about the cotton wick is that the flavor has been coming out fairly muted compared to my Penny V1 with Silica.

I would honestly prefer to use the Silica if there was a choice, but, like I said, I was having dry hits, or flooding, with very little in between.

I saw Bishop made a tight coil with silica, and I'm wondering if anyone else tried that, if it wicked well. Every time I've put legs down the channels, it ended poorly. But then, I've only rebuilt it a dozen times or so, and I keep changing everything instead of one little thing at a time.

Realistically, I can rebuild Penny V1 in about 15 minutes. The V3 takes me about the same length if I'm messing around with the cotton.
 

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Xai, on penny V3 dont put wick on channels more than 1mm in length per side. Also you can try it without wick at all inside channels
I've been DIYing my juice for a couple years now, and I've pretty consistently settled on a blend of Mint with a bit of maple in it for sweetener. Otherwise, 60/40 blend at 10mg. When it's fully steeped, it's a bit lighter than the red AW batteries. Strange thing about the cotton wick is that the flavor has been coming out fairly muted compared to my Penny V1 with Silica.

I would honestly prefer to use the Silica if there was a choice, but, like I said, I was having dry hits, or flooding, with very little in between.

I saw Bishop made a tight coil with silica, and I'm wondering if anyone else tried that, if it wicked well. Every time I've put legs down the channels, it ended poorly. But then, I've only rebuilt it a dozen times or so, and I keep changing everything instead of one little thing at a time.

Realistically, I can rebuild Penny V1 in about 15 minutes. The V3 takes me about the same length if I'm messing around with the cotton.
 

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15 mins to setup penny V1? Its 2 mins work Xai. Maybe you do it in a strange way?
I've been DIYing my juice for a couple years now, and I've pretty consistently settled on a blend of Mint with a bit of maple in it for sweetener. Otherwise, 60/40 blend at 10mg. When it's fully steeped, it's a bit lighter than the red AW batteries. Strange thing about the cotton wick is that the flavor has been coming out fairly muted compared to my Penny V1 with Silica.

I would honestly prefer to use the Silica if there was a choice, but, like I said, I was having dry hits, or flooding, with very little in between.

I saw Bishop made a tight coil with silica, and I'm wondering if anyone else tried that, if it wicked well. Every time I've put legs down the channels, it ended poorly. But then, I've only rebuilt it a dozen times or so, and I keep changing everything instead of one little thing at a time.

Realistically, I can rebuild Penny V1 in about 15 minutes. The V3 takes me about the same length if I'm messing around with the cotton.
 

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15 mins to setup penny V1? Its 2 mins work Xai. Maybe you do it in a strange way?

Could be. I'm talking about 15 minutes from the beginning. Take it apart, drain any liquid inside into a container, remove the old coil, clean some of the grime with a q-tip. Build a new coil, wrap wick, install into core, juice, trim, test fire, rebuild the rest of the tank, fill.

If you can do that in 2 minutes, I'd be impressed. ;)
 

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for me silica works better than cotton Fog. I use 3mm wick and I make close wraps on wick. I dont put more than 1mm wick on one channel and nothing on the other channel. The resistance is about 0,8 ohms and its a dream.

Of course I am a "big smoke lover" if you want to know what I mean by the word "dream"
 

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Update:
I think I finally found my problem...maybe...

So I was going through my rebuildable bag... It's a bag with supplies. Several different types and sizes of wire, wick, etc. And I found about a foot of my old silica wick. I wrapped a coil up with that and it seems to be working quite well, thus far. I'll let you know if the taste dies off again, but it's been about a day now and it's working brilliantly. I'm even using a tobacco flavor at the moment, and it's working well.

Apparently, when I ordered Silica last time, I wasn't paying attention to the type or style, and I ordered some junky silica instead of the good German stuff. Since I order about 20-30 feet at a time, I don't need to order it very often, and had forgotten about this from the last time I ordered wick.

Anyhow, I've got about 6 inches left, so I should be good until the good wick shows up. So...hopefully that's what my problem was.
 

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Hi Imeo , Do you double the 3mm. wick ? Or u just wrap strait to single 3mm. wick ? 0,8 ohms ? You are using this setup with mec. mod @ 3.7 V with 100% VG ? I'm asking because I use the same juice ( 100 % flavorless VG, 12mg. nico, 10%water) and i was advised to avoid vaping VG using lower resistance then 2 ohms , because of the lower boiling point of VG. Is this correct ? Mean is it safe to vape 100 % VG at that low resistance ?
for me silica works better than cotton Fog. I use 3mm wick and I make close wraps on wick. I dont put more than 1mm wick on one channel and nothing on the other channel. The resistance is about 0,8 ohms and its a dream.

Of course I am a "big smoke lover" if you want to know what I mean by the word "dream"
 
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