Think of all the cig buds that won't find their way into the rivers and forests, vapers do help the environment!
PETA is fighting FDA..good or bad?
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Agree, as long as we vapers dispose of all our batteries properly and not in the landfill. Cheers.
Meanwhile.What most (including PETA) fail to realize is most animal testing was done ages ago. Especially for cosmetics, where the ingredients are not new, there has been no need for testing for years. This includes your shampoos, soaps, etc.
The only time new testing is required is when there are new ingredients that have not been tested in the past. Like new tobacco products.
Back at Wyeth Ayerst.
There's 3 brand spanking new 55 gallon drums full of deceased baby bunnies sealed and sitting on the back porch.
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To me they are all the same. Plus in all honesty I'm pretty sure our battery waste will be worse than the budsThat's a different group of whack jobs. You're thinking Greenpeace.
What most (including PETA) fail to realize is most animal testing was done ages ago. Especially for cosmetics, where the ingredients are not new, there has been no need for testing for years. This includes your shampoos, soaps, etc.
The only time new testing is required is when there are new ingredients that have not been tested in the past. Like new tobacco products.
Global animal experiments
- Research by Cruelty Free International and the Dr Hadwen Trust suggests that at least 115 million animals may be used in experiments worldwide each year.
- We estimate that the top 10 animal testing countries in the world are the USA, Japan, China, Australia, France, Canada, the UK, Germany, Taiwan and Brazil, in that order.
- Animal experiments are sadly not in decline, and in many parts of the world are on the increase (e.g. China) or remain at the same level as they were in the 1980s or 1990s (e.g. the UK, Europe).
When an organization touts estimates as fact, they're immediately suspect and placed in the "screw the facts for the agenda" column.
Kinda sounds like the FDA, doesn't it?
Kinda sounds like the FDA, doesn't it?
This is as it should be. The Earth's population is increasing. New viruses like Zika
are being discovered all the time. New methodologies and testing techniques need to
be verified. Drug resistant Ebola has entered the USA. IMHO animal testing is not
going away anytime soon. Everyone believes in responsible and ethical testing when
using animals. The problem is some peoples ethics relieve them from considering the
responsible part. Some peoples sense of responsibility over rides their ethical considerations.
Theoretically one would hope the opposing forces would maintain a equilibrium.
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Mike
If you had actually read the article you would have noticed many facts, there are more.
- The countries of the EU in 2011 reported that they used 17,896 dogs, 3,713 cats, 358,213 rabbits, 6,686 horses, 6,095 monkeys, 675,065 birds, 77,280 pigs, 28,892 sheep, 30,914 cattle, over 1,000,000 fish and over 8,500,000 rodents.
- According to the latest Government figures (for 2014), a total of 3.87 million experiments were completed in Great Britain during 2014.
- Of these, 1.94 million (50%) related to the creation or breeding of genetically altered animals who were not used in further experiments.
- The remaining 1.93 million (50%) were other experiments on animals.
- More than 600,000 animals were subjected to experiments that even the researchers considered had caused them moderate or severe suffering.
- Animals used in the UK included mice (1.6 million experiments), rats (234,000 experiments), birds (139,000 experiments), rabbits (13,876 experiments), guinea-pigs (22,027 experiments), monkeys (3,246 experiments), dogs (4,107 experiments), cats (210 experiments), horses (8,079 experiments) and fish (264,000 experiments).
Topic is allover the place... Facts that may help:
I use to work for a biotech in Silicon Valley as a system administrator and our division did not do animal testing, but the main corp did have a division for animal breeding that supplied animals for testing. All of the animals to my knowledge were what are called "KNOCK OUT."
We worked in HIV/Oncology and used "drug catalogs" (usually drugs supplied by larger vendors) to test against blood (packets) taken from ppl with HIV/AIDS/Cancer. No animals were ever involved.
Knock out mice are used for animal testing b/c they are breed from the same parent mice, and they have an explicit matching DNA sequence. Wild animals are NOT used in most research that I know of. These are mice/rabbits breed for the purpose of serving mankind in his quest to survive.
Over the next decade, as drug resistant bacteria/viri continue to emerge...you are going to want these animals there to be used for R&D. The entire human population is at risk. Read up on drug resistance and see what awaits us in the very near future. 25,000 die in USA yearly NOW b/c drugs for some very simple issues do NOT work, and the numbers are going to grow exponentially over the next 20yrs.
GOOGLE SEARCH: Drug resistance in the news.
I use to work for a biotech in Silicon Valley as a system administrator and our division did not do animal testing, but the main corp did have a division for animal breeding that supplied animals for testing. All of the animals to my knowledge were what are called "KNOCK OUT."
We worked in HIV/Oncology and used "drug catalogs" (usually drugs supplied by larger vendors) to test against blood (packets) taken from ppl with HIV/AIDS/Cancer. No animals were ever involved.
Knock out mice are used for animal testing b/c they are breed from the same parent mice, and they have an explicit matching DNA sequence. Wild animals are NOT used in most research that I know of. These are mice/rabbits breed for the purpose of serving mankind in his quest to survive.
Over the next decade, as drug resistant bacteria/viri continue to emerge...you are going to want these animals there to be used for R&D. The entire human population is at risk. Read up on drug resistance and see what awaits us in the very near future. 25,000 die in USA yearly NOW b/c drugs for some very simple issues do NOT work, and the numbers are going to grow exponentially over the next 20yrs.
GOOGLE SEARCH: Drug resistance in the news.
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Q: What animal tests are carried out to test cosmetics?
A: Although they are not required by law, several tests are commonly performed by exposing mice, rats, rabbits and guinea pigs to cosmetics ingredients. This can include:
- skin and eye irritation tests where chemicals are rubbed onto the shaved skin or dripped into the eyes of restrained rabbits without any pain relief
- repeated force-feeding studies lasting weeks or months to look for signs of general illness or specific health hazards such as cancer or birth defects; and
- widely condemned "lethal dose" tests, in which animals are forced to swallow large amounts of a test chemical to determine the dose that causes death.
Fact Sheet: Cosmetic Testing : The Humane Society of the United States
And this post somehow bolsters the idea that PETA's stance regarding vaping is good for humans?
Perhaps we should just go back to smoking to keep PETA happy. Cigarettes have been tested to death (pun intended) already.
? What's your point?
Of these, 1.94 million (50%) related to the creation or breeding of genetically altered animals who were not used in further experiments. - Google Search
Of these, 1.94 million (50%) related to the creation or breeding of genetically altered animals who were not used in further experiments.
Peta considers animal husbandry of farm animals exerinmentation.
Regards
Mike
I don't feel sorry for you, I think the worst but cannot post it here.
After I wrote all of that you picked out a few words that do not by themselves make a coherent idea. In my post, I said we did not use animals, we used blood packets full of platelets from people with HIV/AIDS/Cancer.
If you like AIDS/HIV/Cancer/Spinal Injury/You Name It...then it's really simple. Have a drink of green tea the next time you're injured severely.
You are probably a liberal Democrat and support abortion. Go figure.
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